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Robert Fisk: The whole bloody thing was obscene
Topic Started: Jan 9 2007, 11:01 PM (270 Views)
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Robert Fisk: The whole bloody thing was obscene

The lynching of Saddam Hussein - for that is what we are talking about - will turn out to be one of the determining moments in the whole shameful crusade upon which the West embarked in March of 2003.
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hardcore conservative Islamic countries where you get lynched for not being Muslim


Where is that?
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Jan 10 2007, 08:30 PM
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hardcore conservative Islamic countries where you get lynched for not being Muslim


Where is that?

Well there's areas in Pakistan and probably other countries where if you don't get married to the person your parents tell you to they kill you. They're called "honour killings".
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And why would anyone in their right mind give Kurdistan to Turkey? Haven't you heard that Kurdistan has been fighting for independence from Turkey for many years?
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Dup, you haven't thought this plan through have you?
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Leaving Iraq in the hands of Iran or Syria would be yet another crime against justice and would frankly be sickening. We went over they and if that's our only achievement we should Fire Bush and Blair on a rocket into the sun for being such pratts...
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Anyway, the only reason I like Israel is because it contains the holy city of Jerusalem and I wouln't want it to be under the control of a non-liberal country. It's sad that it's under Israel's control, but at least Israel is officially secular, I wouldn't want it to be under one of the hardcore conservative Islamic countries where you get lynched for not being Muslim.


Its just a city like anyother... Like Nottingham but your safer in Jerusalem... Besides the nation that used to control the area around jerusalem and the east bank is Jordan (is that right? Arov?) - which is now one the most western-friendly nations in the area.

**though I don't at all share Dupitable's view of Israel.
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You are right. Israel took over the area in the Six Day War when Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, and Syria attacked Israel simultaneously. Egypt had blocked the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships while Jordan, Iraq, and Syria closed in on all sides. In six days, Israel captured the Old City of Jerusalem, the Golan Heights, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and the Sinai Peninsula from the surrounding Muslim countries. The Gaza Strip was exchanged for better relations with the Palestinians, and the Sinai Peninsula was exchanged for peace with Egypt. Israel has since made peace with Jordan, but Iraq remains hostile and so does Syria.
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The thing I can't stand is when people say that Israel ought to give the Golan Heights back.

wtf? Israel won it in a war which the other side started, why shouldn't they be allowed to keep it?
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The allied forces took over Germany/japan... Should we have kept them after ww2?
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Jivdom
Jan 11 2007, 05:55 PM
The allied forces took over Germany/japan... Should we have kept them after ww2?

That was in a much larger scale and the governments afterwards were not the agressor governments.

But if we wanted to we would have had a right to.
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In a political sense, we did. The governments afterwards were very willing to serve whoever their occupyers were.

The Golan Heights is a different situation. It is a great place for an enemy country to launch an attack from, since they tower over the Israeli countryside below.

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As you can see, anyone who has possession of the Golan has total dominance over the Israeli countryside.
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That was in a much larger scale and the governments afterwards were not the agressor governments.

But if we wanted to we would have had a right to.

You think so, huh? And you think that the regimes in Jordan and Eyqpt are the same systems?
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That was in a much larger scale and the governments afterwards were not the agressor governments.

But if we wanted to we would have had a right to.

You think so, huh? And you think that the regimes in Jordan and Eyqpt are the same systems?

They deny the existence of Israel and keep invading it, they deserve a good old fashioned arse kicking at the hands of the IDF and should have at least half of their land put under Israeli conrol.
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*sigh... Look up a nation called Jordan... Turns out that Iran isn't the only nation in the region. WHO KNEW???
And i think EEgypt recognises Israel too now... It certainly hasn't made any effort invade since the Six Day War...
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Let wikipedia handle this:

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Following countries do not have formal diplomatic relations with Israel. (as of 19 November 2006)

Africa : Algeria, Chad, Comoros, Djibouti, Guinea, Libya, Mali, Morocco, Niger, Somalia, Sudan, Tunisia, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (Western Sahara)
Americas : Cuba 
East Asia : North Korea, Republic of China (Taiwan)
South Asia : Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Maldives, Pakistan
Southeast Asia : Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia
Southwest Asia : Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, Bahrain


So let's see, the following middle eastern countries do not recognise Israel:

Afghanistan
Pakistan
Iran
Iraq
Lebanon
Kuwait
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Syria
United Arab Emirates
Yemen
Bahrain

And Jordan and Eygypt only recognise it because the UN told them to sign peace treaties with them. And the non-recognising nations have a lot of influence over them.
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Right a few things you may want to consider...
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And Jordan and Eygypt only recognise it because the UN told them to sign peace treaties with them. And the non-recognising nations have a lot of influence over them.

Sure... The UN ignore pakistan with all them shiney weapons and force Jordan and Egypt to recognise Israel? Come on... You can get this?
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Following countries do not have formal diplomatic relations with Israel

PI... I know your not exactly open minded... Or particularly quick on the uptake... Or holding onto reality to tightly but I know you can read... So try and understand.
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Not having formal relations does not mean you are trying to invade... Half those nations don;t have formal relations with their own rear end...
how many times has Pakistan tried to invade Israel? If it really wants to wipe Israel off the map why doesn't the government break out some of them big shiney bomb-type things?
Cuba? There are parts of Cuba that don;t legally exist... So you can't expect miracles? Oh wait... That's exactly what you expect I forgot...

Now do you want me to go through you list and point out all the nations that have shown no acts of aggression against Isreal?

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yeah but they're still mostly theocracies, there's at least 3 "Islamic Republics" in that list and I wouldn't want the Christian Holy City going under Islamic control just like they wouldn't want Mecca under Christian control. It's best to have it under secular control which is what it is now and go Israel!

I know when I'm beaten.

But still, go Israel!.
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The threatening nations surrounding Israel and the many organizations housed in different countries all over the world that are threatening it, plus the Palestinians, are enough to make any country put security at the top of their agenda.
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The threatening nations surrounding Israel and the many organizations housed in different countries all over the world that are threatening it, plus the Palestinians, are enough to make any country put security at the top of their agenda.

Yeah...
What you reckon the chances are of Eastern Jerusalem becoming the new Palistine Capital of a Palistine state? Dodgey ground...
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I can't believe people took my suggestion seriously.

I would just give the entire country to Iran, let them have a little Islamic Empire. Give them Kuwait while were at it as well.

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Precisely because of attitudes like that.
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