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Democrats urge caution on claims against Iran
Topic Started: Feb 12 2007, 11:52 AM (394 Views)
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Senior members of the Democratic Party in the United States have urged the Bush administration to be cautious about accusing Iran of involvement in Iraq's insurgency.  

US officials had earlier claimed to have evidence that Iran was providing weapons to Shia militias who attacked the US military. 

However, a leading Democratic Senator, Chris Dodd, said the Bush administration had tried to falsify evidence before.
Write it up they did......WMD anyone?

World Democrats urge caution on claims against Iran

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Democrats wary over Iran claims
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Iran got nukes and notting short of a full invasion is going to stop that.what worrying is Iran support of Muslims terriorts.
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Feb 15 2007, 10:05 PM
Iran got nukes and notting short of a full invasion is going to stop that.what worrying is Iran support of Muslims terriorts.

F4u... lets, for one moment, assume Iran has Nuclear weapons at the ready. What do you think a nuclear power would do if invading by a larger foe it has no realistic chance of repelling?

F4u... Who do you propose do the full scale invading?

F4u... To which terrorist do you refer? Assuming, again just for one moment, that Iran has been funding those who choose to fight in Iraq. Which terrorists do you believe Iran is funding?
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The terrorists in the Iraqi government aka the Shiite party.
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Unfortunately those to blame for the Iraqi government = ourselves and the Americans.
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Feb 15 2007, 10:13 PM
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Feb 15 2007, 10:05 PM
Iran got nukes and notting short of a full invasion is going to stop that.what worrying is Iran support of Muslims terriorts.

F4u... lets, for one moment, assume Iran has Nuclear weapons at the ready. What do you think a nuclear power would do if invading by a larger foe it has no realistic chance of repelling?

F4u... Who do you propose do the full scale invading?

F4u... To which terrorist do you refer? Assuming, again just for one moment, that Iran has been funding those who choose to fight in Iraq. Which terrorists do you believe Iran is funding?

1 and 2.It would nuke them duh.Which is why the U.S(the world police) should have attacked long ago.After all if the U.S are nuked two birds with one stone.

3.The ones in Lebooan(sp) and the fact fact that rumors are(I suspect the U.s know that Iran actually is) the Iran are doing their 100% best to have the shit fly in Iraq. After all what do they stand to win and lose?Win support from Arab nations,weaken their life long enemy Isreal,gain another ally in Iraq and show the world the U.S such ass. Lose?A bit of money at most.

After all if Iran has nukes they won't be talked out of them. Now if their still building them and SA and China and russia put serious pressure on them. By hurting the oil price and and cut most trade(not food and water) Iran most likely would stop.

But the SA make the U.S jump at every whim. They might do it. But not if it hurt their profits or hurt ratlions with other Middle east nations.China and Russia would love for Iran to have nukes as that will only make their ally(yes ally.I don't care if it offical or not because we all know their quite friendly) stronger and China is one of the U.S biggest trading partner.They invest way more in China then what China invest in them.If the U.S don't stay friendly with China.Then China will favor other countrys.
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Feb 17 2007, 09:01 PM
1 and 2.It would nuke them duh.Which is why the U.S(the world police) should have attacked long ago.After all if the U.S are nuked two birds with one stone.

Dear dear dear...

Am I to assume you are joking or just plain dim? There are so many flaws there...

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3.The ones in Lebooan(sp) and the fact fact that rumors are(I suspect the U.s know that Iran actually is) the Iran are doing their 100% best to have the shit fly in Iraq. After all what do they stand to win and lose?Win support from Arab nations,weaken their life long enemy Isreal,gain another ally in Iraq and show the world the U.S such ass. Lose?A bit of money at most.
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The "Terrorist"s in iraq are fighting an invading power (us) therefore are freedom fighters...
Also... 1 million people died last time Iran and Iraq crossed swords. They have hardly been allies...

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After all if Iran has nukes they won't be talked out of them. Now if their still building them and SA and China and russia put serious pressure on them. By hurting the oil price and and cut most trade(not food and water) Iran most likely would stop.


That's the funny thing though. While "the west" are blocking out Iran China and Russia can cash in. And why would Russia and China care anyway? If Iran used a nuclear weapon against them Russia could take Iran off the map. It's just not in their interests.

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But the SA make the U.S jump at every whim. They might do it. But not if it hurt their profits or hurt ratlions with other Middle east nations.China and Russia would love for Iran to have nukes as that will only make their ally(yes ally.I don't care if it offical or not because we all know their quite friendly) stronger and China is one of the U.S biggest trading partner.They invest way more in China then what China invest in them.If the U.S don't stay friendly with China.Then China will favor other countrys.


What's SA?












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Feb 17 2007, 09:01 PM
1 and 2.It would nuke them duh.Which is why the U.S(the world police) should have attacked long ago.After all if the U.S are nuked two birds with one stone.

3.The ones in Lebooan(sp) and the fact fact that rumors are(I suspect the U.s know that Iran actually is) the Iran are doing their 100% best to have the shit fly in Iraq. After all what do they stand to win and lose?Win support from Arab nations,weaken their life long enemy Isreal,gain another ally in Iraq and show the world the U.S such ass. Lose?A bit of money at most.

After all if Iran has nukes they won't be talked out of them. Now if their still building them and SA and China and russia put serious pressure on them. By hurting the oil price and and cut most trade(not food and water) Iran most likely would stop.

But the SA make the U.S jump at every whim. They might do it. But not if it hurt their profits or hurt ratlions with other Middle east nations.China and Russia would love for Iran to have nukes as that will only make their ally(yes ally.I don't care if it offical or not because we all know their quite friendly) stronger and China is one of the U.S biggest trading partner.They invest way more in China then what China invest in them.If the U.S don't stay friendly with China.Then China will favor other countrys.

You, sir, make Ath look like Steven Hawking, Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton rolled into one.
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Ladies and gentlemen of the GRA, I would like to draw your attention to an occurrence of great significance:

Someone has called bullshit on F4U. I know what you're thinking...it's not much of a surprise. But look again; the esteemed whistle blower is PI, the very same who many of us, myself not least of all, have harangued on occasion for all sorts of half-baked ideas. That's right, he's turned the tables and called bullshit on an idea even crazier than his.

While I give PI a tip of the cap for his eloquence and brevity, my own response to F4U's latest statement will require a bit more by way of response.

1. Military invasion would induce Iran to resort to nuclear war. Well, there are some problems here. First of all, Iran does not yet have tactically-ready nuclear weapons. Setting that aside, you're essentially suggesting that Iran would nuke its own territory in order to defeat the invading forces. Somehow, I doubt that Iran would nuke its own people. I suppose it's more likely that a rogue state would do so than any other nation, but I think anyone with half a brain can tell you that detonating nuclear weapons on your own soil is nothing that's so obvious as to warrant a response of "duh."

Now, you might suggest that Iran would nuke the US in retaliation. Problems here, too. First of all, Iran has no missile system capable of hitting the US. Iran doesn't have a reliable missile system capable of hitting Israel most of the time. Of course, in a worst case scenario, I suppose you might argue that Iranian terrorists would attempt to detonate a nuclear weapon inside the US, but even this is problematic. First of all, smuggling fissile material into the country would be tremendously unlikely even now, ignoring the probable security increases that would accompany an invasion of Iran. Additionally, the most likely response to such an attack would be a nuclear strike on Iran, which leads us right back to the Iranian response to invasion being a nuclear attack on themselves. I just don't see it happening.

You seem to think that an Iranian-based nuclear attack on the US would be a good thing: "two birds with one stone." Now, being an American, I don't really share this sentiment. Fortunately, you're an idiot, so I don't have to worry too much about the possibility. In the first case, Iran does not have anywhere near the nuclear capability needed to destroy the entire US (see my comments above). Even if it did, or even if some backer, such as China, Russia, or Pakistan (which I assume is what you would argue) were willing to supply Iran with nukes to use against the US (and ignoring the absence of a delivery system), the scenario is completely absurd. You're ignoring the fact of US nuclear countermeasures, which would reduce Iran (and probably most of the rest of the world in your little hypothetical) to smoldering ash. Second, you're assuming that China, Russia, etc. would view a nuclear attack on the US as a good thing in light of an invasion of Iran. While most of the history of the Cold War contradicts this point, modern international economics makes it even less likely. China, for instance, can't just "go elsewhere" to find the sort of financial investment the US has put into their economy (nor can Russia). A nuclear strike on the US would lead to a tremendous economic backlash for every major country on the globe.

It's also a little curious that you refer to the US as the "world's policeman" while simultaneously suggesting that its destruction would be a good thing. I'm not sure why you're encouraging a world without policemen (possible you're a criminal yourself), but I think this would be a bad thing, not least of all for you European lot, who have been able to sustain the welfare state primarily by free-riding on the US's provision of global security for the past 60 years. Take away the policeman, and suddenly Europe's got to foot the bill for its own national security again, and believe me, that shit don't come cheap (e.g., not much left over for national medicine or social security).

Just one thing to say about your statement that "if Iran had nukes it wouldn't be talked out of them." NORTH KOREA! QED, moron.

I could go on and on with this post, but I think that's enough for now. I'm looking forward to seeing how you try to salvage your position by asking irrelevant questions about my explanation. Keep reaching for that rainbow!

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plus the fact that Russia and China don't give a shit about America anyway. China's going to be the world superpower before you can say "Where'd the world police go?" and Russia would know that perfectly well

SA: Saudi Arabia? if so then you're much mistaken. Ultimately, all of the middle east hate eachother far more than they hate America anyway
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Estion. We were discussing the possibility of Iran actually having Nuclear weapons. Other than F4u we were not saying they do. We were just assuming they do for arguments sake.... But again assuming Iran does have Nuclear weapons I would not put lauching a nuclear attack on his own soil past a desprite mad man. And if may or may not be possible to launch a retalitory attack from foriegn soil. Other nations in the area do not have entirely secure boarders. It's silly to assume Iran could not hit Israel (IF it ever managed to lay its hands on Nuclear weapons)
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Feb 18 2007, 10:35 AM
SA: Saudi Arabia? if so then you're much mistaken. Ultimately, all of the middle east hate eachother far more than they hate America anyway

I would not say that is entirely correct anymore.
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Now first of all guys. I was hoping you guys would notice I was half joking. As any body could tell you nulear war would be bad for anybody and everybody.

Second I don't know very much about world potlics yet. But I can say that China will not be the world supe rpower as their one child per family policy will limit growth. That and a worsing food supply problem. Also less and less land.

As for Amercia being the world police I was being very scartic about that as the U.S has screw in nearly every forgein conflict it has been invole in and has only made it worth. And I Canadian and if the yanks stop trying to police the world. We might have a bit more peace for once.

And beside do you really think Iran would nuke another country? The U.S would nuke back.Now Iran is a decromtic goverment and it ruling party only has 45% of the votes. A lot of Iran people don't want to waste money on a nuke. They have other internal problems. I sure their higher up people who would try to stop the nuke from flying.

As for South Koera. Their "nuke" is noting more but a plot to gain more power and become stronger.

And Saudi Arabia gives billions to the U.S. Their very close friends.

And I think Isreal has a more secure borader the the U.S. If your wondering. I point out Candaian/U.S borader. The yanks only hope is that the terriost don't want to blow them up with nukes.
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Now first of all guys. I was hoping you guys would notice I was half joking. As any body could tell you nulear war would be bad for anybody and everybody.
Ya think?

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Now Iran is a decromtic goverment and it ruling party only has 45% of the votes. A lot of Iran people don't want to waste money on a nuke.
Sadly the government does...

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As for South Koera. Their "nuke" is noting more but a plot to gain more power and become stronger.
I don't know where to start with that one.

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And Saudi Arabia gives billions to the U.S. Their very close friends.
They're getting less and less close by the day...

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And I think Isreal has a more secure borader the the U.S. If your wondering. I point out Candaian/U.S borader. The yanks  only hope is that the terriost don't want to blow them up with nukes.

That's just incomprehensible drivel.
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My last statement was where jivdom said Iran could sneak a nuke in to Isreal.I said that anybody could do the same by sneaking a nuke into the U.S.
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And Saudi Arabia gives billions to the U.S. Their very close friends



tbh. I think the saudis + the UAE are closer to the UK than USA.

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But I can say that China will not be the world supe rpower

the European super state will...

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their one child per family policy will limit growth. That and a worsing food supply problem. Also less and less land.

China still has massive (and growing) population.

Though i was told that Chinease gov't were building this damn that means that thousand of people need to be relocated (flooding and that) and if the damn lasts its full expected life span it would still not recover the energy it took to build the "damn" thing?
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My last statement was where jivdom said Iran could sneak a nuke in to Isreal.I said that anybody could do the same by sneaking a nuke into the U.S.

Are you stupid or something?

Do you unerstand how nukes work? You don't have to physically place it somewhere, you put it on a rocket and fire the said rocket at intended target or you drop it from a bomber plane. You do not walk to the target destination with it in tow and press a button.
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Feb 18 2007, 08:18 PM
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Feb 18 2007, 08:10 PM
My last statement was where jivdom said Iran could sneak a nuke in to Isreal.I said that anybody could do the same by sneaking a nuke into the U.S.

Are you stupid or something?

Do you unerstand how nukes work? You don't have to physically place it somewhere, you put it on a rocket and fire the said rocket at intended target or you drop it from a bomber plane. You do not walk to the target destination with it in tow and press a button.

i suppose ya could if you really wanted to

China is going to be the world superpower. their economy is going to blow everybody else right out of the water
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Feb 18 2007, 08:18 PM
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Feb 18 2007, 08:10 PM
My last statement was where jivdom said Iran could sneak a nuke in to Isreal.I said that anybody could do the same by sneaking a nuke into the U.S.

Are you stupid or something?

Do you unerstand how nukes work? You don't have to physically place it somewhere, you put it on a rocket and fire the said rocket at intended target or you drop it from a bomber plane. You do not walk to the target destination with it in tow and press a button.

i suppose ya could if you really wanted to

China is going to be the world superpower. their economy is going to blow everybody else right out of the water

Why bother?
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Feb 18 2007, 08:18 PM
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Feb 18 2007, 08:10 PM
My last statement was where jivdom said Iran could sneak a nuke in to Isreal.I said that anybody could do the same by sneaking a nuke into the U.S.

Are you stupid or something?

Do you unerstand how nukes work? You don't have to physically place it somewhere, you put it on a rocket and fire the said rocket at intended target or you drop it from a bomber plane. You do not walk to the target destination with it in tow and press a button.

i suppose ya could if you really wanted to

China is going to be the world superpower. their economy is going to blow everybody else right out of the water

India? Korea? Not gonna be easily blasted.

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