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Democrats urge caution on claims against Iran
Topic Started: Feb 12 2007, 11:52 AM (397 Views)
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Senior members of the Democratic Party in the United States have urged the Bush administration to be cautious about accusing Iran of involvement in Iraq's insurgency.  

US officials had earlier claimed to have evidence that Iran was providing weapons to Shia militias who attacked the US military. 

However, a leading Democratic Senator, Chris Dodd, said the Bush administration had tried to falsify evidence before.
Write it up they did......WMD anyone?

World Democrats urge caution on claims against Iran

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Democrats wary over Iran claims
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Jivdom
Feb 18 2007, 08:17 PM
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And Saudi Arabia gives billions to the U.S. Their very close friends



tbh. I think the saudis + the UAE are closer to the UK than USA.

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But I can say that China will not be the world supe rpower

the European super state will...

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their one child per family policy will limit growth. That and a worsing food supply problem. Also less and less land.

China still has massive (and growing) population.

Though i was told that Chinease gov't were building this damn that means that thousand of people need to be relocated (flooding and that) and if the damn lasts its full expected life span it would still not recover the energy it took to build the "damn" thing?

1.Maybe if the saudis and the U.S aren't close friends.It a bussiness parntership.

2.Jivdom yes it will.The EU is on track with the ecomic and dolpimatic efforts to rule the world and if it wanted to it could be THE mritally power.It fact the thrid world terror(such as Hitler and Neoplioan(sp))is suppossed to come from the EU.

3.China is having many problems.The U.S internal problems have already destroy itself.

And PI I was talking to jivdom as I was replying to his statements which said so.
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I most certainly would not want to live in the USA but you can hardly say its internal problems have destoryed it?

Hitler and Napolean both worked very hard to create a European superstate to be fair...

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1.Maybe if the saudis and the U.S aren't close friends.It a bussiness parntership.

The UK was nice enough to cancel all investigations into Saudi corruption so we could sell them one of the most advanced airforces in the world all made up and ready...
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when I said destroy the U.S.I ment it chances of having any world empire.


I mean that their soppose to be a third anti chirst that will led the Eu to takeover the world.

Well the saudi did give billions to the oil companys Bush jr. use to be the CEO of.when those companys well on the verge of going under.
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I mean that their soppose to be a third anti chirst that will led the Eu to takeover the world.
:Laugh: :Laugh: :Laugh:

What total bollocks! :Laugh:

OK who was the first and second anti-christ :P
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Who said anything about world empire??? Imperialism is a dead notion, and was always problematic in the US...suffice it to say, you Euros did it better than we did, but the Brits lost the whole fucking empire more than once, didn't they? Of course, the whole institution of imperialism is reprehensible, so why make the point?

I suppose we could talk about cultural imperialism. The US certainly hasn't succumbed to any pressures on that front. Hell, you're all watching what we tell you to, eating what we tell you to, wearing what we tell you to, and listening to what we tell you to. I don't think that's what F4U had in mind, but his actual argument was no more cogent, so...
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You know what would solve every single problem in exsistance. I mean EVERY single problem.....

...

Cmon think about it..


...no its not put our guns down and smoking weed together


....although that could help


......no its not stopping global warming...cuz then we'd be cold.







....Still haven't guessed what the answer to every single problem is.

NUKE IT!!! Yes' nuke the whole world, then nobody and nothing living will exist on it anymore except a couple of cockroaches and there won't be any problems.
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i usually think that exact same thought when i hear the name "Paris Hilton"



the idea of anyone taking over the world is utterly impossible

except aliens of course. they're more likely than an EU "Antechrist" by a long way
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EU Anti-Christ = Graham Norton :Laugh:
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Hell, you're all watching what we tell you to, eating what we tell you to, wearing what we tell you to, and listening to what we tell you to


I am sat here watching a Japanese program, I just ate A Cornish Pastey, all the clothes I am wearing were made in Britain or Nepal*, and I am listening to music currently by a german who died many years ago. Probably not the desire of US cultural imperialism.


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Feb 20 2007, 02:08 AM
OK who was the first and second anti-christ :P

Hitler and Napolean?

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Imperialism is a dead notion, and was always problematic in the US...suffice it to say, you Euros did it better than we did, but the Brits lost the whole fucking empire more than once, didn't they? Of course, the whole institution of imperialism is reprehensible, so why make the point?


Imperalism isnt dead. It's just moved to another plain. A world empire seems alittle beyond the realms of plausibility at present. Who knows what the futre will hold?

Great empires come and go. The Brittish empire was just the most recent stain on history.
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I didn't mean going around and shooting everybody. Instead I thinking puppets goverments and the whole CIA thing. I mean you may think that the CIA would go around creating terrors and toppling world governments. But if it make them stronger.Who to stop them.We already know Bush doesn't have any morals or any problems with breaking laws.

The U.S internal problems?It congress at any chance strip it mirtally buget and try to do whatever to cut it funding. It people don't want to be in any war where they lose anybody. They due to their parniod are building fences around their boraders.Spenting BILLIONS on protecting themself from every Joe or Jane who has a bomb and a score to settle while their schools waste away,their health care does more harm then good and more and more people spent their days in povetry.

And as for somebody taking over the world?Well I thinking of a terriost group really.Only larger.One that doesn't have to follow any rules or feed people or owe up to the UN.One that can bypass nation armys and navys and attack a nation heart. After all today the world modern armys are small and are desgin to fight terriost groups in the mountians of the Middle East. Not fight huge wars. People today won't want to sacfirce for some war. They want their SUVs and no draft and all that crap. all this terriost group has to do is bomb major locations. Sent people into a panic and destroy ports and and suft. It be quite easy to stop a army from becoming moblie.


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Feb 20 2007, 11:04 PM
And as for somebody taking over the world?Well I thinking of a terriost group really.Only larger.One that doesn't have to follow any rules or feed people or owe up to the UN.One that can bypass nation armys and navys and attack a nation heart. After all today the world modern armys are small and are desgin to fight terriost groups in the mountians of the Middle East. Not fight huge wars. People today won't want to sacfirce for some war. They want their SUVs and no draft and all that crap. all this terriost group has to do is bomb major locations. Sent people into a panic and destroy ports and and suft. It be quite easy to stop a army from becoming moblie.

Oh dear God. I could refute that in so many way it's just not worth it.
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I suggest F4U looks up the size of the US, North Korean, chinese and Indian armys.
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Feb 20 2007, 05:12 PM
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Hell, you're all watching what we tell you to, eating what we tell you to, wearing what we tell you to, and listening to what we tell you to


I am sat here watching a Japanese program, I just ate A Cornish Pastey, all the clothes I am wearing were made in Britain or Nepal*, and I am listening to music currently by a german who died many years ago. Probably not the desire of US cultural imperialism.

Well, first of all, you're presuming that it's a conscious, directed agenda, which it isn't. That aside, why is it that French and Canadian (to name a few) broadcasting systems require their affiliates to air a certain amount of "national" programming each week? Why is K-Mart bigger than the GNP of most European countries? Why is there a McDonalds in every major metropolis on the globe? Do you wear bluejeans (American invention)? Finding the exception that proves the rule doesn't disprove the rule.
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i agree. i had the exact same thoughts when i read
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Hell, you're all watching what we tell you to, eating what we tell you to, wearing what we tell you to, and listening to what we tell you to

but when you think about its entirely true
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It is in some ways... It's depressing how sheep-esque lots of people are.

But America is not the only nation is that in many ways copied by the lots of others...
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The U.S internal problems?It congress at any chance strip it mirtally buget and try to do whatever to cut it funding. It people don't want to be in any war where they lose anybody. They due to their parniod are building fences around their boraders.Spenting BILLIONS on protecting themself from every Joe or Jane who has a bomb and a score to settle while their schools waste away,their health care does more harm then good and more and more people spent their days in povetry.

You're completely naive, and, as it happens, almost wholly incorrect, F4u.

First of all, Congress has actually pussied out in a big way in terms of doing everything it might to scale back military funding in Iraq. Moreover, if you think legislative control over the waging of an unpopular and largely ineffectual war is somehow a bad thing, you might want to write to your own government representative and tell him to take an early retirement, 'cause you want the absolute monarchy back!

Now, that first point doesn't make you an idiot (so much as just superficially informed) until you put it with the last one. Apparently, it's a problem for the US Congress to try at every turn to cut funding to Iraq, but also a problem to spend "BILLIONS" on national security. Incidentally, given the fact of terrorist strikes on Borneo, London, Madrid, so on, and so on, I can't say without equivocation that this isn't money well spent, particularly since the US defense budget is a far smaller portion of total government spending (about 20% in 2006) than it was during the 50s and 60s (about 60% of the total budget in 1956). Incidentally, if you want to look those figures up, check the US Statistical Abstract for those years. They're online, though I'm sure you won't bother.

Let's examine just one more point, the one you make about the US not wanting to sustain heavy military casualties. I'm going to concede it right off the bat, and note that you haven't done anything to suggest that this is somehow a bad thing. God help us, we don't want our people to die! What a corrupt-at-its-core nation we are! I might note that Britain has (wisely, in my opinion) recently pussied out of Iraq, suggesting that we're not the only ones who don't want to see heavy military casualties. And, lest you think this phenomenon of some national character flaw rather than wise public policy shaped by public opinion, let me draw you to the Civil War as a valuable historic example. Since you're sure to deny each of my arguments by telling me how I'm suggesting something that appears nowhere in this post, however, I'll leave a discussion of that historical episode for next time.

Keep on being an idiot, F4U. You'll get there someday...I guess.
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I wasn't aware Britain had 'pussied' out of Iraq. Last time I checked (Last week when talking to a Armoured Corps Major) we were deploying two more armoured divisions over there.

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Well, first of all, you're presuming that it's a conscious, directed agenda, which it isn't. That aside, why is it that French and Canadian (to name a few) broadcasting systems require their affiliates to air a certain amount of "national" programming each week? Why is K-Mart bigger than the GNP of most European countries? Why is there a McDonalds in every major metropolis on the globe? Do you wear bluejeans (American invention)? Finding the exception that proves the rule doesn't disprove the rule.


1) I have no Idea what you are talking about
2) Because it is an ultra capitalist cormporation, the same reason that Virgin Corporation is bigger than the GDP of nearly 1/2 of the worlds countries
3)Same reason
4) No, and I think you will find them to be a French invention. They were just popularised in America in the late 19th century.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/22/world/mi....html?ref=world

Eat it.
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Hmm, yes. You have to read a little more into it than that. We are pulling inf batalions out because the Iraqis are pretty much ready to take their place. However, other types of troops (Air Corps and Armoured Corps etc) are increasing their numbers deployed because the Iraqis do not have the capability to effectively replace them.

It's hardly pussying out.
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