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| Why the USA should not be allowed out...; ..of its own boarders | |
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| Topic Started: Apr 2 2007, 12:15 AM (248 Views) | |
| Jivdom | Apr 2 2007, 12:15 AM Post #1 |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6515701.stm The self proclaimed "land of the free" inprisons someone for 5 years with no trial then says... Ah well... Better luck next time, eh? |
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| VincentDantes | Apr 2 2007, 05:46 AM Post #21 |
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Death is a natural built-in part of fighting. It's a real and very possible risk everyone takes when they fight someone or for something. Blowing yourself up is the ignorant way of fighting. A lot more can be accomplished in being alive to fight for what you believe, then blowing yourself up. So although Dup says he would fight for but not blow himself up, he is in fact saying he would fight regardless of the risk of death. That's is the choice that everyone who is a soldier and who signs up to be one, must take. |
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| Dupitable | Apr 2 2007, 04:34 PM Post #22 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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Oh, I would have no problem flying a plane into an aircraft carrier if the situation was that desperate. But that will not kill civilians. Blowing yourself up in Basra marketplace willl kill civilians and that is unaceptable. Plus it would be a bit of a waste of military training if I went and blew myself up. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 2 2007, 08:34 PM Post #23 |
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I was not talking about Basra I was refering to attacks on USA/UK (9/11 and the london bombs). The logic is; UK/USA have evil governments or atleast governments that partake in evil actions (No arguements from me). USA/UK are democracies so the people are responsible for the government and implictly endorse its actions (That;s right in theory but not inpractice.) USA/UK citizens are equally responsible as the Governments that cause so muc evil (that would be so in a real democracy but not in our humble father knows best states) In war you have to kill you enermies to win success (No war was without collateral damage no matter how noble) Flawed logical obviously because it assumes the "west" is actually democratic in the basic sense not democratic in the modern representative sense. |
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| fighter4u | Apr 3 2007, 11:26 PM Post #24 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Terriosts have no right. If somebody get thrown into jail.Tough luck. Sure I wouldn't like it if it happen to me. But that just tough luck. |
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| Dupitable | Apr 3 2007, 11:33 PM Post #25 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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I think the problem is more that seemingly innocent people are being thrown in jail. But then is it really fair to start forfeiting peoples rights because they commit a crime? |
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| Jivdom | Apr 4 2007, 12:29 AM Post #26 |
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Pratt. Innocent until proven guilty is preciously what we pretend to represent. NOT GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT. this is the reason I hate George dubuyah and Tony Blair so much. And that is the reason terrorists are now able to recuit. |
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| VincentDantes | Apr 4 2007, 06:05 AM Post #27 |
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In most non-terrorist related criminal cases you're actually Suspect till proven guilty or innocent. It's not supposed to be ...but it is. In some cases even when you're proven innocent you're still guilty in they eyes of the media and mob...err ppl. |
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| fighter4u | Apr 4 2007, 08:06 PM Post #28 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Jivdom terriost are able to recuit because of why gangs can recuit. Young kids without jobs and noting to look forward to. Find a place they belong and feel important. Give meaning to their life. Their then brainwashed and sent no their way with a bomb strapped on. |
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| Dupitable | Apr 4 2007, 08:20 PM Post #29 |
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Kids react well to being told they are better than everybody else. Thats why the Nazis were so effective in schools. Thats why islamic extremests are able to recruit so easily from youngsters. That is why an increasing ammount of younger people are supporting Nationalist or extremest parties. The nationalists are aying you are X and so you are better than everybody else. Al Quida cells are saying you are muslim and we are better than everyone else, because we are muslim we can do XYZ. Whereas schools are peddling the exact opposite. Nonsense like everybody is equal. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 4 2007, 08:25 PM Post #30 |
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Nationalism is not the belief that you are better than anyone else or anything like that. nationalism is simply believing you have a loyalty to your own nation. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 4 2007, 08:26 PM Post #31 |
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Not so stale.
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Which is a stupid view to hold because you didn't choose to live in the UK an people in Africa didn't choose to live in Africa. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 4 2007, 08:29 PM Post #32 |
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We don't choose our country in the same way that we do not choose our family. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 4 2007, 08:30 PM Post #33 |
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Not so stale.
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But your family generally look out for you and support you, your country generally does not. |
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| fighter4u | Apr 4 2007, 08:37 PM Post #34 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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But by protecting your country. You reduce the chance that you family will deid. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 4 2007, 08:39 PM Post #35 |
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ha... |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 4 2007, 08:39 PM Post #36 |
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Not so stale.
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That's the worst argument I've ever heard. Ever. What if your family doesn't agree with the government of your country, and the government, in turn comes into your house at night and..oh, say, shoots you all in the head. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 4 2007, 08:41 PM Post #37 |
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AS you don;t like unconventional english... "Ever." is a minnor sentence... |
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| fighter4u | Apr 4 2007, 08:45 PM Post #38 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Yeah if we live in a country like that.But *shockly* we don't! |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 4 2007, 08:45 PM Post #39 |
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Not so stale.
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It was added for effect. Your and you're cannot be interchanged for effect. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 4 2007, 08:48 PM Post #40 |
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In the past you have complained about people for using unconventional english... Minor sentences are used by many for various effects but they are not proper english. Hard luck. |
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