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Anarchy?
Topic Started: Apr 2 2007, 10:44 PM (345 Views)
Jivdom
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Is Anarchy the aim of society or is it the enermy?

Is Anarchy the perfect system of government or is it just the failure of government?
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Where are you living? We are becoming more oppressed under the illusion of freedom and equality.
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From one point of view you are indeed correct. In Britain (and in American and other western represetitive democracies) we are indeed getting more oppressed because of our own stupidty and lack of liberal thoughts and lack of interest in the government for that matter.

However

As a race we are moving towards greater freedom. You are talking about history as if it were just the past century... Well when you talk about social trends you wanna talk about the past few thousand years.
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ummm....

Jivdom, ummm....

If humans were emotionally equipt for anarchy, we would have had it long ago. And ummm...under anarchy, people would not have access to information (because it is provided to them by those with the means, i.e. the powerful).
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But as society develops and becomes more self-sufficent the need for government will decrease, no?
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No.
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Jivdom
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We need John Major back...
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"As society develops and becomes self-sufficient"

You mean collective ownership of the means of production? Because so long as a few people provide information and provide the goods necessary to live and sustain society, doesn't it follow that they have the power (along with those that regulate this distribution)?

And what about religious authorities? Aren't THEY an enemy of anarchy too?
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Depends which religion.
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Once government was required to be all powerful and the average Joe did not know anything about its happenings. Most states had one all powerful dictator and a small social elite and no one else knew anything about the reasoning or decisions of government or whatnot.
Now...
We have a system whereby most citizens are aware of their government and understand what it is doing. As more and more people are vested in the government the divide between government and society is made smaller. If this trend continues society and government will eventually become one meaning that society is its own government and no formal government will be required. Anarchy.
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And what about religious authorities? Aren't THEY an enemy of anarchy too?


Religious authorites are following the same path but are slightly ahead.

Once religious institutions would tell the "people" their beliefs and such. That no longer really happens. This is partly due to the rise of things like Atheism and Hedonism and such but also because now someone might call themselves a Christian but not belief the world was created by god in 7 days and such in the same way a muslim might not pray 5 times to mehka. the Religious institutions have lost their power and that power is being turned over to society.
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But what about the anarchy that came before governments. Why did we move out of that?
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Cycle and all that...
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So there is in fact not a desire to move into anarchy, there is simply a pendulum effect regarding the movement into a government (or lack thereof).
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I'd say so.
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I don't understand, Jiv.

So long as people cede power to powerful people to protect and provide for them (like when we elect politicians or invest in stock), doesn't it follow that some people will be more powerful than others, unless everyone theoretically has the means to provide for and protect themselves?
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Anarchy does require everyone to be equal. And Anarchy does not require an Everyman for him/herself situation.
Legal anarchy just means that instead of laws people and society will govern itself through social responsibility. There will of course be those that are more or less powerful than others.
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Thats ridiculous Jiv. A huge majority of people won't do the socially right thing if there is no consequence. I probably would've beaten the fuck out of a dozen people in the last 3 years if lived in the anarchy you speak of. One of those people who is dangerous would've killed me 2 years ago.

You basically saying that in this legal anarchy you'd have to trust that people will do the right thing. If thats the case...thats just naive.
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bigger picture VD... 4,000 years ago the idea of choosing your own religion was just naive. The idea of a democracy was naive according to Aristotle (one of the greatest philosophical thinkers in history) only a few thousand years ago. As society moves on it improves slowly but surely so over thousands of years real change occurs. over the past few thousand years people (the unwashed masses) have become much more impowered and there is no reason not to assume that this trend will not continue.
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Sure. It could work. But now a days. People don't give a fuck. People want to be told what to think and do. They don't want that much freedom. It just won't work. Not now. Maybe later when people become smarter. But until we clean up citys slums and improve our educations systems. It just won't work.
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Jivdom
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bigger picture VD... 4,000 years ago the idea of choosing your own religion was just naive. The idea of a democracy was naive according to Aristotle (one of the greatest philosophical thinkers in history) only a few thousand years ago. As society moves on it improves slowly but surely so over thousands of years real change occurs. over the past few thousand years people (the unwashed masses) have become much more impowered and there is no reason not to assume that this trend will not continue.

4,000 years ago, everyone borrowed gods from everyone else; people were worshipping and making up new gods and godesses all the time. You just had to believe what the king told you; other than that, religion was freer than it is today in many places. And even in the "free countries", you wouldn't expect religions to mix the way they did in ancient times at all (imagine people making offerings to Shiva while still considering themselves Christians; unheard of).


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