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Anarchy?
Topic Started: Apr 2 2007, 10:44 PM (342 Views)
Jivdom
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Is Anarchy the aim of society or is it the enermy?

Is Anarchy the perfect system of government or is it just the failure of government?
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I would say that most people are sheep today but there will always be strong individual, and independent people who can think for themselves. Until you can eliminate individuality from the human gene pool and complete DNA structure there will never, ever.....EVER be a single unified Moral compass.

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So if someone is mentally deranged and their moral compass tells them its ok to rape children, or cut people up and I don't know...wear their skins or something. Then thats ok with you because their moral compass told them its ok.


Se you're assuming anarchy would work if everyones moral compass was the same...

That is why it cannot work today or tomorrow.



So basically you contradict yourself by saying that Anarchy is the system that will work some day but won't work today or tomorrow. You kid yourself by thinking human nature will change 100..200...or 10 000 years from now. [Unless we evolve, and from current evidence we can't evolve any further we can only de-volve]


In conclusion you are just like any other anarchy idealist...you say its the perfect system but when its compared to, I don't know umm REALITY it cannot possibly work. I really thought most of us here had outgrown idealism a while ago.
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So basically you contradict yourself by saying that Anarchy is the system that will work some day but won't work today or tomorrow.

No contradiction. I started by saying Anarchy would be the perfect society but could not work in the modern world. Perhaps it may work in the future if hypothetically we continue along the path we have started. (turning powers over to society)

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You kid yourself by thinking human nature will change 100..200...or 10 000 years from now

And I kid myself to think that humanity has not already changed? look at the rise of vegitarianism and the like. Humanity is changing and has changed. the super ego is developing.


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In conclusion you are just like any other anarchy idealist...you say its the perfect system but when its compared to, I don't know umm REALITY it cannot possibly work. I really thought most of us here had outgrown idealism a while ago.

It could work and has worked in the distant past if you want to be pedantic...
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It worked in the past ...pre-civilization, pre-farming, pre-ownership of property and land. ...Wait no it didn't because even then people had the most basic family tribes, that had leadership.

I've worked in many small groups and I know for a fact that nothing will get done until there is one person that either assign and orders or at least takes simple leadership actions by organizing thoughts and suggesting a path the group should take. If everyone is trying to be leader or if nobody is...NOTHING gets done.


So your theory of the past is false. Vegeterianism is not some socio-cultural evolution of civilization. As we destroy and pollute our planet further [mainly our air, water, and food sources] we create more health problems but also set higher standards for what healthy is. Vegeterianism is a product of its time, it is not a cultural evolution.

Plus vegeterians are pompous holier-than-thou assholes...and I can prove it and I can prove them wrong. In a way.
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the Super ego is becoming a more powerful force than the Id. What do you think this trend means in the very long term?

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I've worked in many small groups and I know for a fact that nothing will get done until there is one person that either assign and orders or at least takes simple leadership actions by organizing thoughts and suggesting a path the group should take. If everyone is trying to be leader or if nobody is...NOTHING gets done

Do you have difficulty reading?
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That is why it cannot work today or tomorrow.

You are applying current anecdotes to a hypothetical future. not good...

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Vegeterianism is a product of its time, it is not a cultural evolution.

Oxymoron??
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Super Ego, Ego, Id...yes if you believe in that bullshit. I guess you believe that subconciously you wanna fuck your own mom too.


No I don't have difficulty reading.


Err the vegeterianism thing I basically meant its a fad.
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Super Ego, Ego, Id...yes if you believe in that bullshit. I guess you believe that subconciously you wanna fuck your own mom too.

My dear... Do you belief logic is the best way of working through a problem? If so then you belief in the works of Aristotle so you also belief that the size of people's nostrils dictate their inteligence?
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Err the vegeterianism thing I basically meant its a fad.

And the slow abolition of capital punishment is a fad?
And the slow rise of Pacism is a fad?
And the slow abolition of slavery is a fad?
And the slow rise of equality between race/gender is a fad?
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If I believe some things Aristotle said doesn't mean I believe everything he said. And no the things you listed are not fads but vegetarianism is.
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If I believe some things Aristotle said doesn't mean I believe everything he said.

So you agree with me. When you said;
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Super Ego, Ego, Id...yes if you believe in that bullshit. I guess you believe that subconciously you wanna fuck your own mom too.

You were quite simply mistaken?

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And no the things you listed are not fads but vegetarianism is.

So whilst you believe my example was poor you agree with my implict point?
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