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| Topic Started: Apr 17 2007, 05:54 PM (296 Views) | |
| Jivdom | Apr 17 2007, 05:54 PM Post #1 |
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Do you not think its time the UK changed it's election system? I mean I can see why the Americans have a FPTP system as it's based on the idea that the masses cannot be trusted but as long we're pretending to be democratic we should introduce an AV system! Everyone knows it would be better and more democratic and the only reason we don;t have an PR system now is because it in everyone's interests except he/she who delievers. For YEARS labour raved about it then suddenly then win under FPTP and suddenly forget about PR! After the next election if a coalition is forced the AV may be the way for Britian from there on out! |
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| Old Zertaxia | Apr 17 2007, 06:29 PM Post #2 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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I think democracies should have direct elections but thats just me. How, exactly, does the election system in England work? It always has seemed incredibly intricate to me, and I've never sat down and puzzled it out... |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 06:31 PM Post #3 |
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Not so stale.
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If you want better and more democratic, get rid of the queen and house of lords and get in an elected president and upper house. and we don't have a PR system because they produce governments that either include extremist parties or ones that don't get anything done. Or both. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 17 2007, 06:35 PM Post #4 |
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Our system is actually quite simple. the country is divided in to constituencies (like american pres election) IN each constituency people stand in election to try and represent their constituency in parliament as an MP. These people may stand on a party banner (almost all the winners do). The party banner that most winning MPs stand for is asked to form a government. Parties elect their own leader who becomes to Prime Minister is his party wins. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 17 2007, 06:38 PM Post #5 |
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YOu are right. But can it be done? The queen + lords must sign their own death warrant for that to happen which is the same reason why we keept out election system. The election system benifits those in power who can change it.
Odd how they manage it elsewhere... |
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| Old Zertaxia | Apr 17 2007, 06:39 PM Post #6 |
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Each constituency only elects one MP? |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 06:41 PM Post #7 |
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Not so stale.
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Revolution. Preferably one that ends in the queen being forced to eat the gold bullion equivalent of all the wealth that she currently consumes from the taxpayers. |
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| Dupitable | Apr 17 2007, 06:43 PM Post #8 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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Yes. Except in Scotland where I believe they elect one to the Scottish Parliament as well.
Have you seen the HoL reforms PI? That is effectively a PR system, though not as hardcore as Europe's. Plus the Queen generates more income than she uses up. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 06:45 PM Post #9 |
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I know, but the problem is you will get fascist, soshy and *shudders* commie greens in there. The main parties aren't good, but they aren't as bad as them... |
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| Old Zertaxia | Apr 17 2007, 06:46 PM Post #10 |
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I'm not a Brit, but I think if I were, I would like the idea of the Queen. But I'm a sentimentalist and America has never had anything like a royal family... |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 06:47 PM Post #11 |
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and the queen may generate income, but that's taxed as well and none of it goes back to the vast majority of taxpayers. |
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| Dupitable | Apr 17 2007, 06:48 PM Post #12 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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The Queen costs per year, the same amount as the NHS spends of hunger supressants. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 06:49 PM Post #13 |
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well the colonies did and they got taxed to fund silly wars. Have I put you off yet?
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 06:50 PM Post #14 |
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still paid for by tax, still unelected, still doesn't represent my views. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 17 2007, 06:52 PM Post #15 |
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yes. And that one MP raises the Constituency issues in parliament and holds the executive to account over local issues (as well as national issues but that is usally looked after by the oposition executives) There is local government too but Thatcher raped it and it has not recovered. <- why Thatchers ruined the country. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 06:54 PM Post #16 |
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she also "raped" the power of the trade unions in national policy making, is that a bad thing too? |
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| Jivdom | Apr 17 2007, 07:00 PM Post #17 |
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Well yes and no. It's hard to compare the system we have now to the system we would have had otherwise. I'd say yes but it does not come close to compensating for being a power hungery bitch who robbed elected councilors of the ability to do their jobs. Now we might aswell have no local government and just ask Blair if we want to build a new swing or climbing frame in the local park... |
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| Love and Honour | Apr 17 2007, 07:08 PM Post #18 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Which system of PR would you like Jiv? |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 17 2007, 07:09 PM Post #19 |
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well my council gets to spend money as it wants, and I mean, it spend it how IT wants. You could give the money to a WAG and they'd be more sensible with it. They could spend it one any number of things to help the city, but no, they spent it on a statue in front of the council offices which was 1) crap and 2) promptly vandalised and graffitied, which caused even more money to be spend on cleaning it. The council didn't have the foresight to realise that this would keep happening and that it would become a unworthwile money pit. That's why I don't actually want them to have any power, because they're a bunch of twats. |
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| Jivdom | Apr 17 2007, 07:17 PM Post #20 |
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They have small amounts of money that they spend or lose. So obviously they spend it on small and pointless things. If they had more responsibilities they would have more money and would be able to Deal with local issues far better than someone in London could... |
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