Speaker of the People's Assembly and World Assembly Delegate Pidgeon Island Members of the Committee TBA World Assembly Delegate Angusp (aka Bodegraven) High General of the GRADF Joe Bobs |
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| Topic Started: Aug 21 2009, 04:48 AM (1,629 Views) | |
| Northern Chittowa | Sep 24 2009, 06:52 PM Post #121 |
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The Grand Old Duke
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*Chuckles* I wouldn't bother Joe...Its impossible to win an argument with an ignorant person... |
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| Pidgeon Island | Sep 24 2009, 06:53 PM Post #122 |
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Not so stale.
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You shouldn't even pretend to be a nazi. ARe you British JoeBobs? I always thought you were American, but you did A-Levels? |
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| Blue Blessed Dolphins | Sep 24 2009, 11:22 PM Post #123 |
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Professor
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If you're the ruler of the totalitarian region, I bet it isn't bad. But I don't know. I haven't talked to either the rulers or people. |
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| The Ruescher Empire | Sep 25 2009, 01:07 AM Post #124 |
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Buh
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Didn't I just say my grandfather was part of the Youth Core in Germany? pretty sure that was a totalitarian regime, though I'm just guessing...As for living in a Fascist country? I wouldn't mind so much, I'm fine with promoting my country to the extreme Though I'll be honest I like my freedom of speech and yada yada.
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| Ryno III | Sep 25 2009, 02:46 AM Post #125 |
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Which one would you rather have though? Live in a totalitarian state or live in a country with freedom like free speech. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Sep 25 2009, 03:08 AM Post #126 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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From out of the darkness, a lone voice speaketh. And it sayeth "OH SNAP!" |
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| The Ruescher Empire | Sep 25 2009, 03:24 AM Post #127 |
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Buh
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Hmmm probably Totalitarian, at least that is if it benefited the country more then free speech. If its like Stalinist or Hilter based totalitarianism I would go for that as it propels your nation into greatest and power. If its like sissy totalitarianism like Saddam Hussein where it benefits one? i would not be for it. |
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| Joe Bobs | Sep 25 2009, 01:49 PM Post #128 |
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GRADF High General | FRA Arch Chancellor
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Wtf? Oh yes all those countries did just fantastic. Y'know I think they voted Iraq the greatest country in the world. How the hell is totalitarianism of benefit to the country? Admittedly Hitler benefited the German economy but that was by creating a military based economy like the US has now. It doesn't have to be necessarily totalitarian. And Stalin did nothing for Russia! He made it strong at a massive cost tot he nation. Gorbachev didn't destroy the Russian economy, the seeds were sewn during Stalin's reign. Collectivism destroyed the entirety of rural Russia. And someone very close to me has lived under a Communist regime, and its hell. They only saw their parents a few times until they were 7 because under totalitarian policies people are assigned to work wherever it is seen they can fill a space, regardless of their family commitments. Hello NC! How're you? @ PI: Yes I am British, from Yorkshire. |
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| The Ruescher Empire | Sep 25 2009, 01:55 PM Post #129 |
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Buh
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Stalin did everything for Russia. The people suffered but they beat the fucking Germans! They did, not some D-day bullshit. Hitler was one of the world's worst monsters because of what his soldiers did, but he propelled Germany from a weak and cowering sissy to a World Super Power in a decade! Stalin made his nation into the world's second Super after America for about 5 decades! I would support anything if it made my nation into a Super Power of the world. |
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| Uropa | Sep 25 2009, 02:05 PM Post #130 |
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Render unto Caesar
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Ummm.. I think historical consensus is that Russia's georgraphy beat Hitler (or Hitler's decision to go back on the Molotov/Robentrovv (sp?) pact in the first place), not Stalinism as the organising principle of Russian society. Yes, you can talk about the mobilisation of the Gulag population as slave labour and so forth, but I think Russia's strategic depth and brutal winter were what sealed it. See also Alexander II's victory over Napoleon.. And as to TRE's festishisation of Nazis: I've always found it ironic that the those that promote 'the master race' are often the most far removed from physical and intellectual perfection.. |
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| The Ruescher Empire | Sep 25 2009, 02:09 PM Post #131 |
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Buh
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HEY! I don't promote any sort of Master Race. I do believe that German blood is an interesting facet in genetics and I actually enjoy watching it mix with other races to see what the result is. Actually at school I saw a very interesting woman who is half german and half native canadian, the bone structure was fascinating and the skin color was just beautiful....And I also never claimed to have physical or intellectual perfection, anyone who attempts to is usually far from the fact. |
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| Uropa | Sep 25 2009, 02:23 PM Post #132 |
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Render unto Caesar
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Hello TRE: Welcome to social science. There is no plurality of races; there is only one 'race', the human race. Identity, characteristics, notions of 'blood line', nationalism, subjectivity defined by social/kinship ties, whatever...all socially construscted, constantly in flux, never stable, always subject to reconceptualisation, reconfiguration, and rearticulation through ever changing historically/sociologically contingent lenses. What it is to be 'German' is as much open to contestation and interpretation as what it is to funny. Eugrh. I actually wrote this initially in CAPS so annoyed it made me. Do an anthropology degree and then come back to us on ‘race’. And if you can't handle the above (so far removed you are from intellectual perfection) just take Ernest Gellner (who was very clever) at his word, "We are all human...Don't take more specific classifications seriously". |
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| Joe Bobs | Sep 25 2009, 02:30 PM Post #133 |
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I fully agree with both of Uropa's posts. Hitler was halted in Russia for the same reasons as Napoleon: Russian winter is $%&*ing cold! Perhaps you could argue that Stalin's decision to allow 20 million Russians to die for the price played a factor, but I doubt Russians remember that fondly. Also, Stalin executed his top Generals because he saw them as a threat, which caused the deaths of millions who were stranded in the winter without supplies. It could well be argued that if Stalin hadn't been there, Germany would actually have been defeated more quickly. And yes I'm well aware Russia defeated Germany, not the UK/US. But it was for the above reasons. How old are you TRE? What you said about racial characteristics makes me think you must be under 10. Do you actually believe there is such thing as a German cheekbone? Do us a favour and take a basic biology class. |
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| The Ruescher Empire | Sep 25 2009, 02:32 PM Post #134 |
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Buh
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Yes yes I know we are all human! But there is variations in our Genetics that allow a wide variety of characteristics and differences between people. And the interchanging of those genetics is what I enjoy viewing, especially when they are predominantly different, such as my above example. Sure they theoretically share the same make up as we are all humans, but each has evolved on a different path taking on different characteristics. So when they mix its very interesting and I love to look at it. And I'm not arguing with you on this, I'm just telling you what I like
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| The Ruescher Empire | Sep 25 2009, 02:34 PM Post #135 |
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Buh
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22 if your wondering And I don't mean THE German cheekbone, but you have to accept that Germans (or Europeans or whatever) have different facial characteristics then say natives of America or Asians. And mixing them is fascinating to see what form it takes.
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| Pidgeon Island | Sep 25 2009, 02:46 PM Post #136 |
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Not so stale.
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Jesus Christ, TRE is four years older than me... I think that reflects rather badly on him. |
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| Lower Bowmania | Sep 25 2009, 02:47 PM Post #137 |
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Simply ravishing...
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TRE, you like seeing the physical effects of intermingling genes...and I like medium-rare beef, redheads, and lying to my wife about being a non-smoker. Fine. To each his own. Your personal hobby would be more easily defended if you stated it a bit more like I have, instead of playing the racial characteristics card. As to Stalin and Hitler propelling their nations to the top of the class...bull shit. I SUPPOSE you can make an argument that those *countries* enjoyed a measure of (brief) political success, but it certainly did no good for the nation. Define nation for me, would you? Nations are a body of PEOPLE. People, TRE, not governments. Now, you can limit a nation to a body of people based on territory, beliefs, cultures, or however you choose. The Russian *people* were certainly not propelled anywhere but their own, collective, personal hells. The German people were certainly better off under Hitler than the Russians under Stalin, I'll give you that...unless of course, you were a Jew, dissident, or a cripple. Then you're pretty well fucked. All of that aside, you do get some credit for using the phrase "sissy totalitarianism." |
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| Lower Bowmania | Sep 25 2009, 02:53 PM Post #138 |
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Simply ravishing...
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"...natives of America?" Really? You actually used those words? You do realize that "natives of America" are really just the offspring of transplants from other countries, right? Unless of course you mean the indigenous Native American Indians, but I highly doubt that. And btw, German-American makes up the largest particular national ethnic group among the white majority. Of course the second and third groups are Irish-Americans and British-Americans. Using your logic, it's a wonder we're not all foppish drunks with incredible facial structure. |
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| The Ruescher Empire | Sep 25 2009, 04:08 PM Post #139 |
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Buh
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I was referring to the native American Indians yes. I was referring to the indigenous people of the land yes ![]() Also note, I'd like to state for the record I do much prefer Nazi Germany over Stalinist Russia just wanted that out there
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| Joe Bobs | Sep 25 2009, 05:21 PM Post #140 |
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I hope one day you meet a beautiful Jewish woman who kicks you square in the balls. Anywho,I was making the point that if you understood how meiosis (the genetic transfer that takes place during sexual reproduction) works, you'd know that it is incredibly random, frankly it's a wonder that family resemblance even exists. There is no such thing as a national physical make up. The idea is complete bollocks. The only scientists who ever propagated such an idea were those funded by Hitler who just wanted to make him happy and look like less of a madman, and to keep themselves out the gas chambers. The only characteristics which can be said to be limited to certain genotypes (in the modern world, we talk abut haploid number, not race) are very broad in themselves. Also, they cross haploid boundaries, so northern europeans share certain features with australian aborigines, and native americans share some features with east asians and so forth. The idea that early humans migrated somewhere and then sealed themselves off from the rest of the world was demolished more than 100 years ago. There are, in fact, only two groups of people who are completely isolated from the cross-haploid interbreeding, and those are ju'hoansi and the hamdza of Tanzania, whose mitochondrial DNA is completely different from the rest of humanities. An example. My family are British with Scottish and Irish heritage. However, lurking in there we have eskimo DNA, inherited from nrothern Scottish fishermen who traded with them about 500 years ago. Stuff like this has happened across history, so there are no truly isolated "races" apart from the two examples mentioned. |
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Though I'll be honest I like my freedom of speech and yada yada.




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