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| Topic Started: May 30 2010, 02:20 AM (629 Views) | |
| Joshua | Jun 1 2010, 05:44 PM Post #21 |
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Why do they need to be prosecuted? If the current system works and Invader spies are deterred, then I see no need for anything else. |
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 05:50 PM Post #22 |
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Render unto Caesar
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ahhhh...so there is no inference. you were trying to deflect a point by going after the man, not the ball. poor show. to actually address the point: as far as i'm aware, this 'vanguard bloc' is here to protect the security of the region against raider spies. as such, i think it's very reasonable to know who they are, how many there are, that they're getting banned from the boards and the NS region, and that this is a public process that stays within and employs the rule of law. what's wrong with that? i'm assuming that these raider spies exist and are a genuine security threat. so let's prosecute them. |
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| Ixzara | Jun 1 2010, 05:56 PM Post #23 |
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Why does Uropa have a file? Surely revealing the fact that he does goes against this Bloc's policy
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| Joshua | Jun 1 2010, 06:00 PM Post #24 |
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ahhhh...so there is no inference. you were trying to deflect a point by going after the man, not the ball. poor show. to actually address the point: as far as i'm aware, this 'vanguard bloc' is here to protect the security of the region against raider spies. as such, i think it's very reasonable to know who they are, how many there are, that they're getting banned from the boards and the NS region, and that this is a public process that stays within and employs the rule of law. what's wrong with that? i'm assuming that these raider spies exist and are a genuine security threat. so let's prosecute them. [/quote]Why do you want the information? Why is necessary for everyone to know? And why is it necessary to prosecute when the current methods work? |
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 06:01 PM Post #25 |
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oh, you mean you missed Sedge and co making up a whole case against me using pure fiction: http://s11.zetaboards.com/GlobalRightAlliance/topic/7299333/2/#new |
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| Ixzara | Jun 1 2010, 06:03 PM Post #26 |
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I tend to ignore anything with the words Sedge and Uropa close to one another Anyway, this whole forum is essentially fiction, bar the RL discussions... |
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 06:04 PM Post #27 |
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I think my answers to that are implicit in my other posts, i.e. public judicial process/deterrent/blah. I guess I'm a little confused as to why a member of a pro-security bloc doesn't want to prosecute/ban/whatever 'raider spies' - the very group of people you're supposed to be keeping up safe from. Bizarre. |
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| Joshua | Jun 1 2010, 06:05 PM Post #28 |
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Answer my questions please. |
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 06:07 PM Post #29 |
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true. yet we insist on hoarding people's RL private information in secret forums and engaging in smear campaigns using that data. seems a little unjustified to me, especially when we have a secure admin and a secure founder nation on the NS region. and, when there is a 'security threat' - whatever that means in a fictional game, for some reason, nobody wants to pass a law to prosecute 'raider spies' - the very existential threat that is supposed to justify all this. really very bizarre. |
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 06:08 PM Post #30 |
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are you like, the gestapo? i already did you plonker. give a dude a north korea avatar and he starts behaving like a total nazi. |
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| Joshua | Jun 1 2010, 06:12 PM Post #31 |
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Keep on dodging and deflecting, must be a good work out. |
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 06:23 PM Post #32 |
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how on earth am i dodging and deflecting? are you aware of the meaning of the words that you type? i mean, seriously? i've posted shag loads on this thread outlining my position. if you can't negotiate the meaning of simple prose, then you're a fucking moron. soz. and to suggest i am dodging and deflecting after you yourself making a completely false inference earlier in the thread... ...i mean, the cheek of it. |
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| Joshua | Jun 1 2010, 06:36 PM Post #33 |
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I can see informing the government of an iminent threat to the region, but posting publically about every invader spy that is uncovered? I don't understand why that is needed. The current system works in deterring Invaders from infiltrating the region. And I fully support a system like TITO of 10,000 Islands. |
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| Lower Bowmania | Jun 1 2010, 06:44 PM Post #34 |
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I think there's something to be said for making the identity of raider spies publicly known, once there is reasonable suspicion. This, of course, can be handled in any number of ways which I'd call legitimate. I'd suggest PMing the possibly spy to let him know he is believed to be a spy. Based on his response: 1. If he claims to be a former "reformed' raider, let him acknowledge as much, publicly, in the into section. Going forward, there'd be no reason to treat him differently than any other citizen. 2. If he simply drops off the face of the Earth, presumably giving up (having been found out), then require the intel dept to make the suspicion known. 3. If he replies and denies the accusation, hold a public trial. The difficulty, of course, is in defining "reasonable suspicion" in a way that is practical to enforce yet lenient enough that we don't turn the intel department into a massive witch hunt (which, to head off the inevitable sniping, it currently is not) I'm all for keeping intel information private. I'm all for requiring the intel department to keep specific details of cases (excluding that which it chooses to use in court) hidden from public view. It is completely logical that the intel department ought to have a full measure of control and security in investigating any possible infiltrations. But Uropa makes a good point...once there is a presumed spy or other security threat, the identity and nature of that threat should be made known to the region. |
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| Chin-Chillas | Jun 1 2010, 06:50 PM Post #35 |
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I wasn't aware being an active raider was a crime... I'd always thought the point was that anybody could get involved here, but that raiders would be specifically barred from military and intel. Anywho, this all seems to be getting a little sensationalist to me. |
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| Lower Bowmania | Jun 1 2010, 06:54 PM Post #36 |
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It isn't. But it isn't unreasonable to say that being active raiders and not acknowledging as much when joining a defender region, ought to be. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Jun 1 2010, 09:02 PM Post #37 |
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Just FYI, you can already find out this sort of information by yourself. And there is only one nation on the regional ban list in NS. Edited by Old Zertaxia, Jun 1 2010, 09:03 PM.
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 10:10 PM Post #38 |
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well wouldn't it be nice, Mr. I-AM-THE-LAW, if we had a nice little court case the next time it happens in which actions are public, referenced by the rule of law and ultimately subject to appeal before the region? not to forget of course that what we're really discussing then, for all this 'enemy of the region' rhetoric is one invader in what, five months? |
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| Old Zertaxia | Jun 1 2010, 10:12 PM Post #39 |
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Actually, I said that with my Mr. Founder-Control-Board-Member Hat on... |
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| Xendau | Jun 1 2010, 11:13 PM Post #40 |
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Uropa's Antagonizer & Stir Upper
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But how can you have a trial with no law to support your case? Every trial has a law on which the prosecution bases their case on, so without a law, it's essesntially a big waste of time. btw why make it known when we handle a spy? In RL governments don't make it known, and espionage is a fairly common thing. |
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