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| Topic Started: May 30 2010, 02:20 AM (628 Views) | |
| Seneca | Jun 1 2010, 11:17 PM Post #41 |
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^Good Point |
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| Uropa | Jun 1 2010, 11:17 PM Post #42 |
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Render unto Caesar
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i'm glad you said that, because...http://s11.zetaboards.com/GlobalRightAlliance/topic/7303473/1/#new and as to RL. actually, if anything resembles RL it is the canny resemblance between the Vanguard |
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| Old Zertaxia | Jun 1 2010, 11:22 PM Post #43 |
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Why isn't your linky active? Anywho, aren't most of the admin team and the fcb in the Vanguard Bloc? |
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| Xendau | Jun 1 2010, 11:24 PM Post #44 |
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Uropa's Antagonizer & Stir Upper
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But security should trample liberty sometimes to protect the masses, i betcha if the US had trampled liberty in favor of security, 9/11 would never had happened. |
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| Kaiseresc | Jun 1 2010, 11:26 PM Post #45 |
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because there's a dot behind the beggining of the link. Here it is http://s11.zetaboards.com/GlobalRightAlliance/topic/7303473/1/#new |
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| Uropa | Jun 2 2010, 12:19 AM Post #46 |
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Ben Franklin: Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. |
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| sedge | Jun 2 2010, 12:21 AM Post #47 |
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Stale
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I don't know much about the chap, but did Mr Franklin happen to be an anarchist? |
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| Pidgeon Island | Jun 2 2010, 12:27 AM Post #48 |
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Not so stale.
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you're the reason i left the liberal party. |
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| Kaiseresc | Jun 2 2010, 12:38 AM Post #49 |
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"You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!" |
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| Joe Bobs | Jun 2 2010, 01:38 AM Post #50 |
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GRADF High General | FRA Arch Chancellor
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Just to say, comparing NS policies to RL policies is ridiculous. They're not the same at all and any comparison means you're moving into RP really. I'm against RL removal of liberties in favour of security. However, this is not RL. No one is restricting your freedom of movement or expression or anything. An RL comparison would be demanding that the CIA/MI5 made all their affairs public, which would make their work pointless. |
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| Uropa | Jun 2 2010, 02:12 AM Post #51 |
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dude - not sure that makes very much sense....but....ummmm....mkay. i do think though, that in terms of rhetoric, the vanguard bloc do sound very neo-con-esque. it's your own fault, you could have chosen much more nuanced rhetoric and a political style. imo - the signature is a massive own goal. |
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| bad writers | Jun 2 2010, 03:02 AM Post #52 |
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Why am I talking to an auditorium full of mutant sheep?
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I see no problem with democratic oversight, and told sedge I would be interested doing that, That was sort of shot down. I know this isn't RL, but even the US intelligence agencies have Congressional oversight. I honestly can't see any objection to regionl officials being allowed to insure that the "intel" is not being misused. Okay, maybe I still have Watergate fears, but either you are a democracy or not. If we're not, then lets stop the charade and bring back the rotatorship Parnoia can run deep and into your life it will creep (with apologies to Buffalo Springfield). The whole Vanguard Bloc appears to be governed by some inane paranoid fear that the President or some other official wlll sell off the info or release it in a public forum. Oversight does not mean public viewing or complete disclosure. Actually, I find the whole thing somewhat insulting. And stop picking on neo-cons Cordially BW |
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| Old Zertaxia | Jun 2 2010, 05:17 AM Post #53 |
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I don't think we object to Democratic Oversight, just people saying let's do it! without having a practical candidate. BW, as much as I love you, there are concerns about your candidacy for such a position. And, barring you, I don't see any other candidates. Especially those the Freedom Party would find palatable. |
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| Uropa | Jun 2 2010, 07:02 AM Post #54 |
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oh, did he really... well it seems like we have two candidates - BW and Jivdom. i'm perfectly happy with either. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Jun 2 2010, 07:07 AM Post #55 |
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Surely you can't be suggesting Jivdom as an acceptable democratic oversight candidate? |
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| Uropa | Jun 2 2010, 07:10 AM Post #56 |
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why not? he's on the founder control committee - one of the two most powerful bodies in the region, along with root admin on these boards, ergo is utterly trustworthy and reliable. he has never gone boom, is always active and is totally independent of power. i can't think of a better candidate. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Jun 2 2010, 07:17 AM Post #57 |
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By your logic, NC is then the most trusted candidate for the position, no? Love and Honour is also on the FCB, and is not on your list? Sedge is an Admin, and he certainly is not on your list. (I won't bother saying anything about my membership in both of these trusted institutions) Am I missing something? Jivdom's stances on Intel Issues, as expressed during his tenure as Chief Justice, would make him an unpalatable candidate to many minds, I'd think. But I've been wrong before, and I don't want to speak for other people. Maybe he will be acceptable to others. Edited by Old Zertaxia, Jun 2 2010, 07:18 AM.
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| Uropa | Jun 2 2010, 07:25 AM Post #58 |
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obviously you are missing something. note the sentence: independent from power. now note trustworthy and reliable. that cancels out the admins on the first criteria, it cancels out sedge on both the first and the second. L&H could be democratic oversight; i do actually trust him not to destroy the place if he gets control. i doubt though, that he would be acceptable on political grounds, i.e. he is well a commie. that leaves jivdom - politically centrist, actually friends with the admins, but independent from them, and has a history of holding regional positions of mega-responsibility. the fact that as the chief justice he complained about intel proceedures surely makes him a perfect candidate. the democratic oversight is there to hold power to account behind private forums and ensure that the rule of law is upheld. note also that jivdom has never disclosed what he saw in those threads. he never told me a jot about the fantasy you lot cooked up in my intel thread + he has been the democratic oversight before without intel ever leaking. the only reason you can give to reject him is because he isn't a yes-man. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Jun 2 2010, 07:31 AM Post #59 |
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Oh, would you stop being utterly ridiculous. I'm made an Admin, and I'm part of the Admin conspiracy.... Anywho: Yah, I skimmed your post. My bad. But, you did say: "he's on the founder control committee - one of the two most powerful bodies in the region, along with root admin on these boards, ergo is utterly trustworthy and reliable" So you did base his trustworthy and reliable qualities on the fact the is on the FCB. Making NC, LH and myself at least as equally trustworthy and reliable as him. I guess he is independent of existing power in the region, but he'd have to be willing to stay that way. And I still don't like his interpretation of the law, so I won't be supporting him. |
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| Uropa | Jun 2 2010, 07:37 AM Post #60 |
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oh so sorry zertaxia - i understand - you're upset you didn't get a mention ![]() and as to his interpretation of the law - i imagine that an oversight would bring complaints to the judiciary in the event that they saw law-breaking or general bad horseplay. it will be up to the justice to interpret the law. we can even say that they can't be one and the same - it side-steps your, 'only people who bring complaints' blah. having cleared up that issue, perhaps you would like to invent another one to justify not backing him? i mean. after all, you are signed up to a 'vanguard' *snigger* 'bloc' *snigger* that states as its first principle the desire to have a democratic oversight. or is this just chapter 10 of empty rhetoric...? |
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