Speaker of the People's Assembly and World Assembly Delegate Pidgeon Island Members of the Committee TBA World Assembly Delegate Angusp (aka Bodegraven) High General of the GRADF Joe Bobs |
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| Topic Started: May 30 2010, 02:20 AM (625 Views) | |
| Lower Bowmania | Jun 2 2010, 11:56 PM Post #81 |
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Simply ravishing...
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Uropa...I'll say this much: If you aims are to legitimately establish an institution, representative of the people, to ensure that the private intel threads are being appropriately carried out (within the confines of the law and in the spirit of protecting the region and not "head hunting"), yet allowing those threads to remain private to the extent that it is necessary for both internal and external intelligence to be carried out successfully, then I am inclined to agree with you. However, whether it is fair or not, your recent rallying against the individuals that comprise that department and your support of releasing a great deal of the content of those threads public knowledge (automatically or through specific circumstances), makes it very difficult to support you in any way. There's honesty for you. For better or for worse. |
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| Uropa | Jun 3 2010, 11:36 PM Post #82 |
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Render unto Caesar
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then surely a democratic oversight is the perfect compromise? seriously, the more guilty the system, the blinder it becomes to innocents. i find it frankly amazing that sedge has unilaterally decided that jivdom and BW are unfit to be oversights. it’s shit like this that makes me go after particular ‘heads’, because this is complete bollocks. and if you do agree with me in the first instance, then maybe you should put aside your personal inhibitions against me, and support them, because jivdom nor BW are not beholden to anybody, especially me, nor you, nor sedge, nor Old.Z, nor whoever. that’s what makes them good candidates and makes me suspect sedge’s motives for trying to veto them. |
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| Lower Bowmania | Jun 4 2010, 01:15 PM Post #83 |
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I won't go as far as saying the Sedge not wanting any sort of oversight makes me suspicious of him, as an individual. And I do agree that some form of oversight is necessary, and that that oversight ought to be determined by the citizenry (not necessarily meaning an elected oversight official, but meaning that whatever process we decide on is agreed upon in the PA, and not dictated to us by an admin). But again, you're a difficult character to crawl into bed with. (I have, btw, voted against the current Intel measures in the PA). |
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| Uropa | Jun 4 2010, 01:20 PM Post #84 |
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Render unto Caesar
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and like i said, don't crawl into bed with me, crawl into bed with the person you think best suited to be oversight... |
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| Xendau | Jul 3 2010, 07:51 PM Post #85 |
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Uropa's Antagonizer & Stir Upper
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PI i did'nt meant trample liberty all the time, i meant if there is an certifiable danger that is endangering the region then we should over look rights sometmes. |
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| Seneca | Jul 3 2010, 07:56 PM Post #86 |
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Speaker of the Assembly
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Yes, he may and is probably biased as everyone. Please point to me a person that isn't biased |
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| sedge | Jul 3 2010, 08:23 PM Post #87 |
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Stale
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Thats kind of our point... because of that, there's no ideal candidate for an oversight position. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Jul 3 2010, 08:30 PM Post #88 |
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Not so stale.
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What about Dup. He doesn't give a shit anything. And L+H. Even I'm willing to admit that he'd do a good job at it. |
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| Seneca | Jul 3 2010, 08:39 PM Post #89 |
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Speaker of the Assembly
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Then why have some of you posted candidates? |
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| sedge | Jul 3 2010, 08:45 PM Post #90 |
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Stale
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When, where, who? |
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| Joe Bobs | Jul 4 2010, 01:11 AM Post #91 |
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GRADF High General | FRA Arch Chancellor
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The problem with both those suggestions, Dup and L&H, is that they can often be absent for long stretches (Dup gets posted overseas for example). The problem is it's basically impossible to find someone who is active and aware of regional goings on but isn't involved in any political things or known to have any strong bias. |
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