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| Topic Started: Apr 25 2011, 06:05 AM (185 Views) | |
| Jivdom | Apr 25 2011, 06:05 AM Post #1 |
Resident Insomniac
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Just finished George R.R. I don't have a lot of respect for this genre that tends to be a bit repetitive, and there is some elements of cliche in Game of Thrones, but the Martin's style is interesting enough to excuse it. What really strikes me is how daring and ambitious the book is. The story is told from a sequence of perspectives. Each paragraph is titled with the name of the character from who's point the chapter will be narrated. This isn't exactly new, but it is a bit of a departure form the norm, and coupled with the sharp contrast of the characters, it has a real sense of novelty to it. The construction of such distinct characters makes the dialogue of the narrative altogether more palatable that most sci-fi, and the style of narrative really contributes to and emphasises this. There are, like, 8 pretences introduced from the very off. There is the seeming main thrust of the story: north of the great wall, icy-creatures none as the white-walkers are abroad and dangerous - killing with consummate ease. But quickly the book moves on through a whole spate of different introductions. Each different, apparently unrelated, line could be a novel onto itself, but Martin lumps them together in a way that I've never seen before. Without staggering the timeline or having the characters cross or overlap incidentally (as so often happens in film, particularly those directed by Guy Richie), the author just chucks them out there with a promise to collide at some distant point but with no immediately obvious road map to direct when this will happen. This creates a deeply detailed world allowing for a real unpredictability as the conflicts are not pre-given as in most books, characters who seem to be key may all be sidelined long before lines cross - and seemingly major story lines will be non-starters while minor things develop into world-altering events. Rejecting the basic story arc, Martin cuts right to the chase with his opening paragraph based in the heart of the story, evading a shire-like village that people like Robert Jordan rely on to introduce the main characters. Far from relaying on a naive main character to introduce the reader to the world (like harry potter for instance), Martin gives you a bunch of intelligent characters, each with different expertise, to give you a real understanding of the world from the very beginning - I like the lack of cheap story telling devices. This really engaged me as it presented the world as a bigger more thorough place than you get with LOTR style books, that are contingent on you sharing the shock and awe with the main characters. The worldly-wise characters in the Game of Thrones present a higher bar to aim for, as such when the shock and awe comes: it hits home with a great deal more force. But mostly... Having introduced loads of different threads at the start, the Author makes no attempt to tye them up by the end. The book is refreshingly honest about it's role in setting up a series. This is pretty brave considering the amount of would-be-series that only print the first novel. The scale of the world that Martin creates is slightly shocking, and the enthusiasm and commitment with which he goes about expanding the story creates and genuine sense of epic-ness. The book deals the plots out in an all or nothing/epic-series or bust play. Best yet, the author seems to care nothing for his characters. Each, regardless of how much set up work the author does, is disposable if the story demands it. As a result the story seems to flow in a way most don't - as the author has to protect a core of main characters to base the story around. Totally recommend the book. Slowly restoring my faith in the genre. |
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| The Ruescher Empire | Apr 25 2011, 04:19 PM Post #2 |
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I must admit I have been considering purchasing this book ever since I heard that it was being made into a TV show, and now that you say its good, I think I'll buy it this summer 
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| G-Tech Corp | Apr 29 2011, 04:13 PM Post #3 |
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His style is heavily reminiscent of Brandon Sanderson. If you like the disparate storylines and massive world, pick up his Way of Kings. The first in what promises to be an amazing series, and a measly 1400 pages to slog through. |
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| fighter4u | Feb 12 2012, 11:40 PM Post #4 |
our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Hey oh, I just recently finished reading the last book in the series so far "Dance with Dragons" and I really enjoyed it so far. There is literally no plot armour in this series what so ever and the series isn't so much about one person, but a world of politics and backstabbing. Very well done, I would tell anyone to read it and the tv show is good too. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Sep 19 2012, 06:33 PM Post #5 |
The Ex-Speaker
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I've just read all the ones that are out in the series. It is much less idealistic than many fantasies I've read. Though, I must say, I don't read fantasies for their bases in reality, and if I wanted a story of the good guys getting murdered by the bad guys who get away, I'd watch the news. |
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| fighter4u | Oct 10 2012, 08:20 AM Post #6 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Honesty I like the series due to readers reaction to how characters changes. People seem to easily going from really hating a character and thinking their evil to loving them and being like his the kindest man alike. Which is kinda disturbing how easily people forget and give, even if it is a fictional series. Also it just reminds me about how easily swag people are when the real lesson should be no one evil or good, just human put in interesting situations for the most part. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Oct 10 2012, 04:00 PM Post #7 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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Indeed. I've never found myself particularly vulnerable to this human foible, though... |
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| fighter4u | Oct 10 2012, 05:20 PM Post #8 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Deep down inside, once you get passed all the ice and bar wire minefields, your noting but a fluffy bundle of love Old Z! 
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| Old Zertaxia | Oct 10 2012, 09:02 PM Post #9 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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| Sovereign Liberties | Oct 10 2012, 09:59 PM Post #10 |
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I haven't read any of the books, but I have seen the TV show. I didn't care for it. |
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| fighter4u | Oct 10 2012, 10:02 PM Post #11 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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TV has a lot of sex that isn't in the book and they are slowly going their own way with eventd or they don't show a lot of things (like inner thoughts) that a book can. Try Game of Thrones perhaps to see if it hooks you! |
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| Sovereign Liberties | Oct 10 2012, 11:06 PM Post #12 |
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Spammer
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only if you buy them for me  i'll give you ALL of my GOLD!!!!!
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| fighter4u | Oct 10 2012, 11:50 PM Post #13 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Gosh SL, don't they have public libraries where you live anymore? You could probably even loan a book online through them! |
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| Old Zertaxia | Oct 11 2012, 03:38 AM Post #14 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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We had them at our public library... |
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| Sovereign Liberties | Oct 11 2012, 09:22 AM Post #15 |
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I was being sarcastic, bud, I still don't want to read them. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Oct 11 2012, 02:30 PM Post #16 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL PUBLIC LIBRARY, THE LAST BASTION OF INTELLIGENCE IN A WORLD RIFE WITH SHOCKING STUPIDITY! |
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| Sovereign Liberties | Oct 11 2012, 04:24 PM Post #17 |
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I have two books from my county library sitting on my desk right now. 
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| Wopruthien | Oct 11 2012, 07:43 PM Post #18 |
Tries too hard
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Gotta say I really enjoyed reading Game of Thrones. I read a lot of Historical fiction and don't cross over to the LoTR fantasy fiction genre too often. But was hooked with the series and read it all in record time (for me anyway). I think people switch their emotions to hating someone to liking them based on the chapter and character development. You start to see the characters built up as 'villains' in the first couple of books and see their side of the story. I did find it annoying with Tyrion though how at the end of the chapter Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Jivdom | Nov 3 2012, 10:44 PM Post #19 |
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TBH. the later books are getting a bit annoying. The newest one could be adequately summed up in a paragraph, so little happens that you reach the end with the feeling of having just started. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Nov 9 2012, 03:17 PM Post #20 |
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Yah. It is kind of hard to see how things can end up satisfactorily in one more book... |
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