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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 2 2011, 03:37 PM (261 Views) | |
| dlbalr | Aug 2 2011, 03:37 PM Post #1 |
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One of the issues in past seasons has always been temp GM's and what they're allowed to do. At the trade deadline, those restrictions were loosened and we wound up having one of the more active deadlines in quite a while. So it got me to thinking. Should this be something that is extended to temp GM's on a regular basis, almost as a thank you for taking care of another team? Arguments for: - Greater trade activity - A direction for some GM-less teams (most of the time, a direction is better than no direction) Arguments against: - GM's may want to 'experiment' more with their temp teams which could be detrimental to their future success - The fact that we likely won't have temps for all teams could widen the gap between the 'haves' and the 'have-nots' Obviously, there are others for each side, I just wanted to present a couple of arguments either way. I know there are some who are all for temp GM trading and I know there are some who are dead set against it. I'm hoping that you can expand the discussion so that we can at least consider this for next season in an effort to revive things. (At this point, in the interest of being completely forthcoming, I'm personally for this.) I'm not going to make this a poll (at least for now) as this is merely a discussion and not binding like the other recent polls were, this will ultimately be Jets' decision once he takes back the commish reigns in a few weeks. So, the floor is yours? Is this something we should consider? Why/why not? |
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| JoeLassister | Aug 2 2011, 03:46 PM Post #2 |
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I think we should DEFINITELY accept it. But I would propose a different TC for trades that involve temp GMs. Something like a 3 GMs TC. The usual one + 1 in each conference. They would have to talk about it and explain their positions just like a jury. |
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| dlbalr | Aug 2 2011, 05:14 PM Post #3 |
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To what degree would they be needed though? If I take over, let's say Buffalo again since I was an interim temp for them this year, and trade for one of your farmers, will a 3 GM committee be required to deliberate and rationalize the move? Personally, I think the TC (whether it's Fanpuck or Goaler as the alternate) knows when there's a fair deal. Waiting on 3 GM's can take a while, depending on school, work, vacations, etc. It seems to me that's why we dropped the 3/5 yes votes requirement years ago. The only thing I'd have the TC check for beyond their current scope would be that the 3-month rule also applies to a GM's temp team as well. For example, hypothesizing me in Buffalo as a temp again: I (PHX) trade Bourque to the Islanders. He then can't be re-dealt to Phoenix or Buffalo for 3 EHM months. (This would ensure the rule that says you can't trade with any team you're temping for stays intact.) |
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| mhaydis | Aug 2 2011, 06:39 PM Post #4 |
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I am all for it...I think it's a good thing. I have felt kinda helpless with Washington, just really moving out players that were older for youth to "set up" the team for the next GM. But they don't need much work, really...playoff team and I barely did anything. Personally, I'd prefer to go after a crappy team like St Louis and really work on rebuilding it vs just keeping Washington floating...as for the multi-approval, not really for it. I think we're all pretty honest with one another when we don't agree and if enough GM's made a stink about a trade, it would have to be reviewed by the TC and Commish again. So...if it's cool, I would like to maybe even switch to a new Eastern team such as Philly or NJ next season where they need more work and attempt a rebuild/retool to get them back in contention. To me, we need to start working on the "have-nots." There are PLENTY of GM-less teams doing ok (Carolina, Ottawa, Chicago, LA Kings). |
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| JoeLassister | Aug 2 2011, 07:23 PM Post #5 |
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Was talking about NHL trading. AHL trading doesn't really exist you know ?
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| Seb | Aug 4 2011, 06:52 PM Post #6 |
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I agree. Actually, get rid of the temp label. Give the teams to GMs full time, with an asterisk showing it's the that GM's second team, so if a new GM wants it, they can have it. But trading is a big part of the appeal of EHM, and not having GMs hurts, having other GMs be allowed to alleviate that disadvantage. I'd even go farther and suggest this: make a list of 4 or 5 veteran GMs (they would have to agree, obviously) that Jets and yourself (Brian) trust, and post that list. These GMs could be approached (any one of them), by any other GM to represent a GM-less team. The proposing GM would present the framework for a deal and the veteran GM would represent that team in negotiations, either in working out a deal or flat out rejecting. There would be guidelines, like not trading away the better players for spare parts, and it should be difficult for someone to make a deal with a GM-less team, but it would make it possible. Then the TC could take over and really give it a thorough look-over. Ideas/comments? |
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| mhaydis | Aug 4 2011, 08:09 PM Post #7 |
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I TOTALLY agree...I even suggested that at one point where I wanted a GM-less team's draft pick and wanted to pay for it but I couldn't. I think anything to get people more engaged again in trading is good for the league...its gets you excited and gets you trying to recruit vs just going through the motions. |
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| dlbalr | Aug 5 2011, 05:12 PM Post #8 |
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I think the idea has some merit, Haydis has done something to that effect periodically with the 'auctions' of some of the old St. Louis guys with a decent amount of success. The only possible concern I might have is the effects on lines of these non-temp teams. I'm not sure it's fair to expect the 'designated traders' to be responsible for doing the lines any time they make a trade and it certainly shouldn't fall to the simmers as well. I suspect this may be out of left field (but this thread is more or less discussing strange ideas anyway) but perhaps the responsibility of lines should fall on the team wanting to trade with the GM-less team? A philosophy of "Get the guy, do the lines." I also agree with Haydis' comment above regarding trading driving the league. That was the main reason I started this discussion (which by the way, I'm hoping more people weigh in on here), to see if there was interest in allowing temps to trade as I think that will resuscitate what at times was a dry market last year. |
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| mhaydis | Aug 9 2011, 07:57 PM Post #9 |
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I like that idea Brian - so how about this as a new "rule" to trade with a GM-less team: Approval- Commish, TC and alt-TC have to vote/approve deal (or maybe you throw in a GM each from West and East to have five) Trading GM - 1. make offer and explain how it helps your team as well but also give at least a basic understanding to the group why this deal helps the team and isn't your attempt to rape the team (obvious in an over-pay, but sometimes you're going after a player knowing there's youth underneath him - you're helping both teams) 2. set lines for NHL and AHL - make that gm spend 30 minutes running through the prospects to make sure they're signed and playing and then tweak the AHL and NHL lines to get the right people there. |
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| goalerexpert86 | Aug 10 2011, 06:06 AM Post #10 |
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Commish and Alt-TC are the same person, so that might be an issue. I agree that temp teams should be allowed to trade. I don't want to see any full rebuilds on vacant teams. Anything that improves the team overall and makes them more appealing for a new GM to take. |
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| alexstream | Aug 10 2011, 06:19 AM Post #11 |
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in essence a GM* (formerly temp GM) could only trade when : -they are getting cheaper similar players -they are getting younger similar players -they are getting much needed depth (must be quality / tradeable depth, e.g. Maxwell = ok, Biron Bitz = not ok) -they are getting the better player in the deal -the deal is just to good to refuse however, there are no conditions when the player they are trading away is set to retire or become a UFA in addition if the deal is the littlest bit questionable, it shouldn't be put to a vote or anything, it should just be outright rejected. if it is questionable for one GM, it might be questionable to the GM who would end up with the team, hence, cause frustration and have that GM think we are retarded and leave. |
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| mhaydis | Aug 10 2011, 07:30 AM Post #12 |
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Alex nailed it...that's perfect Make it so commish... |
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| goalerexpert86 | Aug 10 2011, 07:47 AM Post #13 |
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I agree with everything Alex just posted. I am taking an inventory of GM's and available teams and getting my introduction ready for the league to canvass around the internet. |
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| goalerexpert86 | Aug 10 2011, 10:36 AM Post #14 |
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Just so everyone knows I've decided I need to pick up a temp team again. I noticed that the Central division is pretty slim on GM's. So I will look after Columbus as I believe they are without a temp currently. |
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| alexstream | Aug 10 2011, 11:09 AM Post #15 |
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dude. i dont want to tell you what to do, but if you want to last more than one month as the Commish, do not take any additional responsibilitie.
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