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| Mr. Skeli'n | Mar 10 2014, 08:49 AM Post #1 |
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Call me Mik
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In a few days I will be removing a number of posts from users- those between 15 and 10, to 7 or 8 posts. This is a small and easy effort in order to better prevent sprite theft. I'd also encourage members to post links to topics in the shoutbox, and not links to their maj's. In a few weeks, I will also be developing a way to quantize users who have just enough posts over 10 to see the sprites, and have subsequently dropped activity. I will be removing posts from these users as well, in a few weeks. If these users actually care about the community, they'll make another introduction topic or pop into free chat. And then they might stick around. That is all. |
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| Tyrannosaurus | Mar 10 2014, 11:01 AM Post #2 |
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I'm confused... Why delete posts to prevent sprite theft? |
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| Mr. Skeli'n | Mar 10 2014, 12:36 PM Post #3 |
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Call me Mik
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It puts those members back into the 'noobs' member group, which would make them have to post at least two more (to get to 10) times in order for them to view sprites again. |
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| Lord Vitiate | Mar 11 2014, 05:56 PM Post #4 |
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I don't understand, there are no more sprites being made. We're a small dying community who are trying to rebuild the Instead we should even unhide the forums to the guests to inspire them. This would lead some of them to register and want to post their own art. Reviving the very purpose of the community. Because currently, we look like a content-less community still pretending on our older days and if I were someone who doesn't know what this place is I'd pass my way thinking it's "another one". Do we want to die, or to survive? One of the main reasons I said this community is doomed to die, is because how centred around old ideals we are. Veteranship is a poison and has been proved not to bring anything good to these forums. When the previous HSF died, bells should have rang and even more when the triblox community migrated here. I won't acknowledge the "changes" you'll make to these members and don't acknowledge your authority at all, I don't even recognize AUREL1EN as the owner of the forums. I will only follow Cass, because I think only him truly wants our weak community to stand on both legs again. It is time that he is given all the powers. Some of you may not agree or don't even understand why I react that way. I explain, this topic made me realize that mik still have powers and that the old gards are still the centre of our attention and they feast on it. When they stopped spriting, we still looked forward to their work, but they made none. We didn't help either since instead of posting our own sprites and content, we still looked at them waiting for something to happen and they did the same, or that's what I understood. Giving them no chance to in turn reproduce the cycle they themselves went into when they were still learning, they left to feast elsewhere, where things are not a stagnant swamp with bones floating here and there. Mik is contenting himself with these old bones and drinks from the swamp, weakening it even more. I say no more! Turn on the lights dammit! And that was my 2$, because 2ยข isn't enough anymore. P.s. I have nothing against anyone. P.p.s. I also request that A51 to be demoted to respected member, since he never took his responsibilities of moderator and is as absent as insert is. |
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| Mr. Skeli'n | Mar 11 2014, 07:04 PM Post #5 |
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Call me Mik
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First of all, I'm not attacking noobs. I'm not attacking anybody. I'm removing posts from users who haven't been on the site for months at a time- specifically those users that have 10-15 posts, just enough to see the sprites and take the sprites, dump them from their maj's onto theirs and leave. No posts in several months, no activity. If they think that's an attack, then maybe they should log onto the site AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH.
Some would register yes, but if you didn't have to walk into a bank to rob it, the money would be even easier to take, no? I can't speak for everyone and how they want their sprites defended, but that means neither can you. I put several hours of hard work into my sprites, and users like Appo and A51 poured hundreds more hours than I did and already go through enough processes to keep their sprites theft-proof as possible. Opening up the forums to guests would invite some in, yes, but the vast majority of guests wouldn't register- they'd take the free sprites and run.
Want to talk about old ideals? When I first got into spriting (10ish years ago), you HAD to ask people permission to use sprites- other than Rayg and credit was ALWAYS given. When Araden put out new sprites, you PM'd him and asked if it was okay to use in your comics. That's how it went down. Obviously now that doesn't work because those member's aren't active and sprites are spread further across the web than ever- some people may never have even heard of Araden but they'll use his sprites now, and most will slap his name in the credits somewhere.
That's cute. R1LL was on the ORIGINAL HSF. This is version 3. He was a part of these forums years before you began spriting. Your entire post screams "I'm 12 and I don't know how to deal with authority", but I'll cut you slack because I was 10 once and felt the same way. I'd warn you for flame bait, but seeing as how I'm responding we'll just call it even. Secondly, the "changes" I would be making to these members would limit their ability to see the spriting sections of the site. That's all. If they post more (which they would have not in over 2 months), the "changes" would go away. Thirdly, Cass has all the power. I have access to the Admin Control Panel because I know how to work it, should Cass want to change the theme- or I dunno, forget to change the name requests. That's right, I changed your name, and if I really cared whether you respect my authority or not, I could change your name to something a whole lot worse.
I always said I would keep my access to the ACP. I don't want your attention, I have no project on the forum itself, I have a simple blog. You speak of "old guard", yet without us, there would have been no OWaW, this board wouldn't exist, nor would have Triblox. I don't see any members that joined around when you became a part of this community having taken the reins.
He moderated, during that time where you left the site because we "abandoned halo" and you were "never" going to return. Grow up, stop being so pedantic. If you "always said" the site was going to die, then leave and don't look back. We didn't miss you the last time you left. |
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| A51 | Mar 11 2014, 07:36 PM Post #6 |
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First of all I would like to appologize for not being active, like at all. However life comes first and having to go to college takes a lot of my free time, every one of my college days I spend hours commuting to school and back and 9 hours at school. By the time I get home I've been out for about 15 hours. Then I do homework and sleep. As for the lack of sprites, it partially has to do with Halo 4 and 343i totally fucking up the Halo series. It doesn't look, sound, or play like halo does. And they broke forge... Anyways, I was extremely dissatisfied with Halo 4 and as such had no motivation to do Sprites for it. I may do sprites for it now however but not something on the scale of the HRK. I just want to do a few characters. But I'm on the fence about that. As for members wanting me to be demoted because I wasn't "Doing my job." I'm sorry you feel that way, however, life comes first, I have done my job when I've needed to, back when everyone was still active, and the site has been in a near catatonic state for awhile now, no real need for me to come back and moderate. Anyways, I will try to make an effort to be a part of the community again if it would make everyone happy. If not, then I'll do something else, I have little free time as it is now. |
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| Lord Vitiate | Mar 11 2014, 09:21 PM Post #7 |
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Removing posts from people who are anyways not gonna come back --or if they do-- only to post one message like five months later. That is at least very odd. Though I admit that some of them may be nasty sprite thieves, I think you exaggerate by saying that everyone of them is one. That's it! Every inactive member who have a certain number of posts are shinos!!! I think I understand the logic now. Don't I?
You admit yourself that a little sacrifice is needed to get new members and I do have an idea to prevent theft if that would happen (unhiding the forums): You could have two forums for that: First one could be a sort of "pro sprites forums" where all the master work would be moved to. It could be hidden to members under 20 posts. Second one well, it's kind of place where people who are learning how to do sprites post their things and are looking for constructive criticism. It'd be open to guests and new comers since it's a place to learn and it could also get us new members who wants to give their opinions on new sprites; sprites there shouldn't be enough interesting to be worth stealing. (I'd place my sprites and DeltaHalo's in this one) Also the comic, literature and everything else should also be available to guests. I don't see why they're unavailable to guests and Andrew Kleiner probably wouldn't feel like he need to halt his P7 comics (or well do the abridged pages version) if he had more readers. (Just an example because I'm a fan of P7) Edit: When I signed off I saw that P7 is not hidden, but there I still some interesting projects that are hidden for nothing.
Oh sorry, there are so much old things that need to change that I almost forgot the good things that need to stay. I will even retire all my comics until permission is given and credit is added. I'm more talking of old things which need to be changed.
If you really didn't care you wouldn't have reacted. I thank you for changing my name by the way. Like I said before I don't have anything against you (I mean don't hate you) and I even think of you as a perfect moderator. Thus why I asked for your advice and sort of panicked when you announced that you put Cass in charge.
I don't deny that history happened. But now is the time to let the "new guard" take the reins to in turn let the community stay in the light side of the moon. New members are coming but leaves after making a post or two in the intro/discussion forums, that is a sign that the batteries should be changed or that at least something drastic should be done to recharge them.
Oh well, I have only seen you in action and even thought at some point that we only need you as mod, but well you got promoted. Anyways now that you have said that I don't think he should be demoted anymore. Please forgive me A51. I have no excuse. @A51 I agree with you about Halo 4. I don't understand why they did that, master chief's story ended in halo 3. They didn't even consider making something new in the halo universe, no they had to create more inconsistencies! Though the game play is widely unbalanced and the last time I checked, the updates didn't fix anything. |
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| Mr. Skeli'n | Mar 12 2014, 10:26 AM Post #8 |
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I'm putting as little effort into dealing with them as they do with being an active member of the site. Since you want so much for this site to be active, I can't think of why you care so much about these users. In fact, this forum is a lot more forgiving than most, where your posts will actively drop after inactivity. Several other forums that I've been a part of don't even have admins that do it- it's part of the code of the site where you'll lose a percentage of your posts for each consecutive month you don't get on the site- not just not post (like several active members of this site who lurk) but not get on the site entirely. And on another point- Zetaboards (and Invisionfree before it) there's a tool in the admin control panel to DELETE members who have less than x number of posts and haven't been on the site in x months (X is a variable, if that wasn't clear). Torrent used this tool when he ran the IF version if Triblox and I believe KP had a similar system in place on the hostgator version. That's the logic. I'm making these users have to make effort to be able to come back and be a part of this community. If you show up on another forum, post 12 times and then leave, you'll be deleted after a while. I'm slightly more forgiving than that, but if I deleted these members without telling anyone- you wouldn't've noticed.
First off- I didn't admit sacrifice was needed to get new members. Our CURRENT members however need to post content. And the members that have no content to offer need to offer input to those that do. I USED to post content to the site, nobody actively- or rather without my prompting- replied so I took it off. I've since taken it elsewhere and get plenty of feedback. CONTENT is what brings people to the site, so post some instead of relying on old content from years ago to keep the site active. CONTENT is what brought you here, as well as every single member (perhaps not to this version of HS, but when you initially joined the community it was OWaW or the sprites 99% of the time). Thirdly, those projects are not hidden for NOTHING. That angers me more than anything else, the content creators we do have pour hours upon hours to their content. If they wanted their forum to be open to the public- such as P7- it would be.
Then mention something. Say something. And no- "something needs to happen around here" isn't adequate. Mention the problems, mention solutions. You say so much needs to change, and your haphazard attempt at re-doing the sprite forums is your only given solution. You're "more talking of" nothing. |
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| Cass | Mar 13 2014, 07:51 PM Post #9 |
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This probably isn't the best time to be doing this because I've had a pretty shitty day, but I'm pretty disappointed in what I've seen here. Not with Mik's decision, because his intentions are solid, but with the rest of this topic. Let me make one thing perfectly clear despite that there's been no argument over my 'credibility': I never asked to be admin of HSC. There was no begging, no whining, no bribing, no nudge-nudge, no waving of the hand shouting "OOOOOOOH PICK ME!" and I don't think I 'earned' it either. I was made admin because Mik felt the need to, because I was one of the few who were contributing material at the time. Hell, I had to learn out of the fucking blue that this decision was made; I wake up from sleeping through a bad stomach virus to learn that Aranea got brought back to life and that I was promoted. I didn't bother to argue with it, because it wasn't my place to. Any 'demanding' of your loyalty was pretty much for the sake of humor, since those of us that are left are pretty much rule abiding anyways. I never asked to be the leader and I'm not asking for anyone to follow me; so keep me out of your arguments if you're gonna treat me like I'm the supreme ruler of HSC and was destined to be from the fucking start, because other than the shit with Wojo, PK and Mooface (Which I will continue to defend Spark on the way he handled it -minus some details but even he agreed that was out of bounds later on-), I haven't done much of anything on this site except to at least keep something active, albeit only for my own sake. Like A51, I have a life in this thing called 'the real world' to live, which includes school, so I'm sorry that I haven't been able to keep up with other stuff, though I've really wanted to. All I have asked is for people to try, and I will continue to ask for this and nothing else. Second, I noticed some comments of "growing up" followed by "If you're gonna go, then leave and don't look back because we didn't miss you the first time." Not only is that you being hypocritical, but that is bordering on flamebaiting and I will not put up with that garbage on this site. Don't give people ammo if you don't want them to antagonize you, and don't tell someone to grow up and then act in a childish, borderline Mean Girls attitude. Okay, I'm tired, and I have nothing else to say at this point. Carry on with your lives. |
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| Spark | Mar 19 2014, 04:09 AM Post #10 |
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Wake Up.
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Y'all need grow up. This is embarrassing and painful to look at.![]() Anyways, in regards to how this site has been recently, I know I've taken a massively reduced role in the community since P7 caved, I've mostly been trying to figure things out for myself, which basically has boiled down to job searching and sitting idly on XBL and playing a game of brain's choice while it's on autopilot and I'm basically at a congressional meeting in my cerebral cortex lobbying various new roads of action. That's hardly getting into the behind the scenes drama with my family. Some of them are trying, but the rest of them... let's just say I wouldn't lose any sleep over any misfortune that befell them. I am beyond "done" with those elements. If you wanna talk projects that can potentially breathe life into this wounded creature, Red Springs' on a slow simmer; not out of any creative block, just... unsure of how to proceed with the format I want to tell it through. As for small side "fun" projects, I'm writing a framework for an RP we can play on Minecraft, titled The Eyes of Madness. Or we can continue beating around the Halo bush: I have an idea for a potential new screenshot comic shot in Halo 4 titled S.N.D. (short for Spartans Never Die), which is deliberately conceptualized to be a much more feasible effort than P7 was. The people within this community are a very talented bunch. Most of the spriters have moved on, but our storytellers are here. Cass with his unusual and narcissistic self-fufillment fantasy, Mik with his slightly less unusual and narcissistic self-fufillment fantasy, and last but not least, Spark's extremelynarcissistic self-fufillment fantasies, though the former two used up all the unusual that was available from the manatee-story writing pool. My modest proposal is that we refocus on building and encouraging our writing talent. That's probably way off the mark from whatever's been argued about here, because I'll be honest, I skipped most of Mik and Uxernome's Big Bad Bitchy Bitchfest 2014. But it's a proposal nonetheless, and I don't see anyone else besides Cass trying to do anything meaningful other than defending our archives that are probably already out there in their entirety anyway. Before things went to shit, everyone remembers the rich flow of startup content that we saw throughout the years. Mooface's crumpets was legitimately some of the funniest stuff I've ever read. Yes, it's a damn shame him and some of our former friends wanted to make life miserable for Cass over offering anything more to this community, but celebrate the work, not the worker in this case. T-Rex's comics. I loved that stuff. I may not have always replied to any of it, but I loved it. These people plus plenty others than need not be mentioned to prove my point and supports my overall point to this spiel. We have great writers, great comedians....just great great UNTAPPED talent. Shouldn't we focus any and all efforts to cultivate and encourage those skills other than quarreling over our past work? Let's face it, the sprites, while amazing and fun to work on and with, are not a good indicator of any talent aside from only the absolute best of the artists that we nurtured within the community for almost a decade. None of us are gonna easily compare to the likes of Appo, A51, and Rayg. What we DID with said sprites, however, is. Now pick yourselves up, on your feet, before I drag your collective asses there. There's work to be done. I want feedback, discussion, ANYTHING to keep this line of thought going. This is Andrew Howton, signing on. ...or you know, you can ignore my cool speech; a labor of love that was painstakingly crafted with only the finest semi-passive-aggressive undertones, with massive doses and narcissism and self-depreciation to alleviate the air of seriousness in the potential conversation. If you do, I promise, I will get very choked up. Honestly, there could be tears. Would you do that to me, jerkasses? : D EDIT: Oh, while I'm at it, just to go ahead and haphazardly ninja a possible counterpoint that might pop up. Yes, I understand job/school/etc. gets in the way of this pretty constantly and consistently, and yes, not everyone has an equal amount of free time between their various responsibilities (believe me, I know. I understand. Even though Someone here that will remain unnamed I'm dead-set convinced still doesn't think I do.) but if you're good at something, why not try to work on developing it in a community of people just like that? Yes it's a weak-ass argument, and a bit wishful, but that doesn't stop it from being true. Edited by Spark, Mar 19 2014, 05:18 AM.
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