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Natren Probiotics
Topic Started: Sep 13 2007, 06:10 PM (447 Views)
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beachbuminthecountry
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Natren - Probiotics


HI ALL,


HOW WOULD YOU COMPARE THIS PRODUCT---

http://www.jigsawhealth.com/products/probi...cidophilus.html

TO THE HT.
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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject:

Hmmm... being a staunch Natren fan, I hate to say this, but I don't see anything radically wrong with these. There are a few extra ingredients in there that I would want to check out, but they say they're human strain (I know the DDS-1 is for sure, but they don't list the specific strains of the others, so not sure about those). They have a decent CFU count, and they advise keeping them refrigerated, so that's good, too.

They don't guarantee any live CFU counts through an expiration date, though, so if you get them, get them a bottle or two at a time and use them up before they poop out.

The only real question I would have is the manner of shipping. If not shipped overnight express in cold packs, and if it's summer, you could kill the whole batch by having it spend a couple of days in the back of a metal-bodied truck. The temps in there can easily reach 140 degrees on a sunny summer day when the free air temperature outside is only ~80 degrees. And they don't guarantee a live count except at the date of manufacture, so that could be an issue. If it was shipped in colder winter weather, there shouldn't be a problem.

~Lannie

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moldlady
Location: Illinois
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject:



I agree: HT is the best for the entire system. All human strains.

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beachbuminthecountry
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject:


OK, I PRETENDED TO BUY THE PRODUCT AND IT HAS A THING TO CALCULATE SHIPPING AND FOR ME AND IT WAS $6.00 FEDEX 2ND DAY AIR.
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moldlady
Location: Illinois
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:


It will be more like 15 or 20 dollars regular shipping. Don't get the fast stuff as Natren packs it very well. Save the refrig. packs and use them again.

If you have a whole foods market nearby you can save yourself the shipping and buy it in the refrig. section. It is $ but works. It is about 2 dollars a capsule.

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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject:

I'm not entirely sure, but I think you guys are talking about two different things, here.

BB is asking about the Jigsaw Health probiotics, which was what I was talking about in my first post, also. ML I think you're thinking she's talking about Natren.

And even though I swear by Natren, and use it myself, I can't blame someone for trying something that might also be good, but only costs $40.00 for a bottle of 90 instead of Natren's $150.00 a bottle. That's a big difference.

I know Natren is better, so that's what I'll use, and I'll pay the price, but unless someone uses Natren first, they don't have anything to compare to, if you know what I mean. At this point, I think it's important first of all for BB to get on a good human strain probiotic, and the Jigsaw ones claim to be human strain (at least the acidophilus, and that's the one that colonizes, anyway), and they do have a good CFU count. The only thing I'd watch is the shipping method, or the time of year. 2nd day air is probably fine right now, but I'm sure it's more than $6.00. Maybe it's $6.00 over and above the regular shipping prices, but you can't even send something in the mail anymore for $6.00 (ask me how I know this!).

~Lannie

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moldlady
Location: Illinois
Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:07 pm Post subject:


Sorry,
Thanks for straightening me out on that Lannie..
I'm reading too quick and answering even quicker..... no time!

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healthybee
Location: TX
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:15 am Post subject:

Be sure to shop around. I have a chain of HFS near me which offer all products at 10-20% over cost. So, I can get Natren 30 count capsules for $40 and the 60 count for $80.
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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject:


LOL! HB, unless Natren's having a sale, it'd be cheaper for me to have you get them and overnight them to me than it would to order them directly from Natren! Hmmm... maybe I'll tell Connie that, and she might cut me a better discount...

~Lannie

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beachbuminthecountry
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject:


HEY ALL IS THIS A GOOD PRICE FOR NATREN

http://www.vitacost.com/productResults.aspx?N=32+2008114
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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:51 pm Post subject:

It's a great price. Unfortunately, because I don't know what their handling procedures are, I wouldn't buy them. But that doesn't mean you can't. Also, Natren has a specific expiration date, so these might be on sale because they're close to (or past) the expiration date. I don't know that for a fact, it's just a guess on my part. Usually if something sounds too good to be true, it isn't. But you never know!

~Lannie

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healthybee
Location: TX
Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject:


Hey! Anytime, just let me know! I wonder what the shipping would be?? Maybe $5? Is that still in the ballpark for me buying for you?

I really wouldn't mind, but I know you order the animal probiotics also and the HFS doesn't carry them.

Maybe Natren will cut you a better deal! Maybe for subscribers too??? I would be glad to order from them if the price was better.

And I'm not telling you the name of my HFS! I don't want them to lose Natren if Natasha doesn't want this type of sale!

When I had a store, I had several lines who would not allow me to run a sale on them unless it was approved by the company! I thought, "This is a joke! Because I bought them, I should be able to sell for whatever price I choose!" They didn't want stores competing for the sales. Imagine!!
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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:14 am Post subject:


Awww, c'mon, HB, I'm no snitch! I'm always looking for a better deal!

You're right - the HFS paid for it, so they should be able to sell it for whatever they choose.

And I don't get the animal probiotics anymore, unless one of the cats needs some. What I give the horses and dogs is the Vita-Meata-Vegemin (LOL! - MegaVegeDophilus or whatever it's really called). I just tease Connie and call it Vita-Meata-Vegemin because of that old "I Love Lucy" episode, remember? Anyway, that's the one that I pulled Aiesha out of the grave with, and it works really well for the dogs by sprinkling a bit on their shredded carrots. The HT is a bit too strong for Shogie, and with the powder, I can start out small and work up. Plus they like the taste of it, apparently because of the spirulina they add to it.

Anyway, if I ask you to send me some, I'd want it to be overnighted, so I expect it will still be around $20.00 for shipping. There's a buy 2 get 1 free sale going on through the end of November, so if we order by the 30th, we'll get 33% off regular price - we normally get the 90-cap bottles and that lasts us for 4 1/2 months. The cost is $300.00 plus shipping, and your HFS ones for the same number of caps would be $360.00. So it'll be awhile, but I might ask you to get us some later, if there's no sale on.

~Lannie

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healthybee
Location: TX
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject:


Okey dokey Lucy!!
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Veggiemom
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 9:51 pm Post subject:


Hi everyone I have a question about Natren's HT.
How long did you all take it before you noticed good results? and what were the results?
I have been using Natren's HT for about a month now and don't really notice anything. Is it too early to tell?
Also how much do you all take? I had a ND tell me I needed to take 5 a day, but I just can't afford that. Shouldn't one or possibly two a day do the trick.
BTW back in Sept. Stool cultures showed No growth of good bacteria and several non pathogenic bacteria and 4 different kinds of yeasts but it was only at a +1 level.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Soteria
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:17 am Post subject:



I used Natren first and I used it for many months with no results. I even bought it a second time and got the same results: NONE.

Of course, everyone is different, but if you can't tell any difference, I'd say it's time to look elsewhere and try others until you find something that works.
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moldlady
Location: Illinois
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:45 am Post subject:


Hi Veggie Mom,
It worked for me as I got massive die off for 3 days in a row. Then I was able to tolerate them.
It takes a while for the healthy bacteria to re establish themselves. So, many factors can kill them off.
There might be other issues too like heavy metal.

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Veggiemom
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject:

Soteria,
So did you end up finding something that finally worked for you?
The reason I ask is I've taken about 6 different kinds over the past 3 years and can't seem to find one that will work, kinda upsets me

ML, I got dieoff in the beginning of taking an antifungal but never with a probiotic. And yes I do know for sure I have heavy metal issues. I still have amalgams that I am patiently waiting to get out.

I guess I'm still wondering if taking more would help any? But 5 a day What do you think?
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healthybee
Location: TX
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:26 pm Post subject:


Every HT is guaranteed to have 30 billion live bacteria. They produce with more, but guarantee this many per capsule. That is equal to 60 gallons of yogurt, I think, in each capsule!!!

Natasha Trenev, who produces this product, recommends 4 a day to start out and then to 1 a day after 1 week then 1 every other day after your symptoms have gone.

But I have always used 1 a day unless I had a major digestive problem and then I took 2.

I always take at bedtime and not within 2 hours of anything which would kill the good guys! i.e. caffine, prescriptions, antifungals, and other essential oils. Also stress kills the good guys, which is why they recommend taking them pretty much forever.

Hubby took them for acid reflux and was off the OTC drugs in 2 days.
I was relieved of my lactose intolerance in probably a week. But I still have bouts of it when I eat poorly. That tells me I don't have a bunch of cultures growing yet, but a few are there. I try to help them as much as possible!
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Veggiemom
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject:


Thank You HB.
I did not know they recommended starting out with 4. I think I could try this and see how it goes.
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moldlady
Location: Illinois
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject:


veggiemom,

It takes a while to recolonize the entire 30 feet of intestines and push the bad guys out that don't want to go.

HT does work. I did the powders too at the same time.


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buddygirl
Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: HT

The first time I used HT I never noticed any difference...I just started it again and stopped using digestive enzymes...(thanks to Lannie and HB) and it has made a huge difference this time. I also started adding a bit of unpasteurized sauerkraut daily and I think that stuff works a treat too!!!

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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject:

Thank You Sandi. I had been following your talk with Lannie and HB on YC and was wondering if the digestive enzyme thing was interferring with the HT. I have been off the digestive enzymes for about a week now, so I am anxious to see if something great starts to happen with my digestion. I'm praying it works cuz I was taking quite a bit of digestive enzymes with every meal and getting very little results.
Thanks a bunch all.
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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject:


Sorry I haven't been on much lately, but I've been busy!

Rich and I take 1 HT capsule every evening after dinner. When we first started out, we only took one every other day for 2 weeks, then went to once a day. It never gave me any die-off, but I do notice that I'm not "regular" when I go off them for more than a day or two. I had chronic constipation problems from the time I was a kid, so being able to go like clockwork every day is really nice!

Because I wasn't as sick with yeast as most everyone (my problem was mycotoxins, not yeast so much), that's about the only thing I've noticed, other than the fact I don't seem to get sick any more. I used to catch a bug at least a couple of times a year, but in the 18 months or so that we've been on HT, neither one of us has had so much as a sniffle.

Every once in a while (well, OK, once) I had a sinus flare up, but that's because of my bad root canal I think. It's on the top left and it's my left sinuses that are always giving me the problem. But when that happened I just went back on olive leaf for a week and now I'm OK again. In fact, other than the week of olive leaf two weeks ago, I haven't had any antifungals for about 2 months. So, yes, I think HT is a long term benefit, because I'm pretty sure I'd have relapsed by now if I hadn't been taking it. I'll be taking it for life, I assure you! Of course, your mileage may vary...

~Lannie

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healthybee
Location: TX
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:30 am Post subject:

This is exactly what happens with me! I've been on HT about 18 months. Have only been "sick" when I over exert and don't get as much sleep as I need for several days running.

I also had constipation problems which are history now!

I only have 1 amalgun filling which is small. I will see about having it replaced when I go for other dental work.

Otherwise, I have been taking P-73 drops every day for a scratchy throat which I am sure is because of out cats and their winter coats.
I feel great and I noticed that after Thanksgiving I didn't swell in my fingers like I expected to. I did get a twinge in my knee after eating dessert (sugar infected!!) But other than that, I'm right back to feeling great!

HT for me forever!
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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject:


Hmmm... well, I might have spoken too soon. Rich suggested to me last night that my heart "flutters" might not be due to a lack of magnesium, but that I've been off antifungals for a while now, and maybe there's still something in there that wants to cause trouble. So today I started back on olive leaf which is the only one I have in the house. I'm out of P-73.

Maybe the fact that ALL my symptoms haven't come back is because I've been taking the HT every day, and just this one thing is bothering me. Which is troubling, because we're going to have to go off HT for a few months, in order to pay for the new cow. If I really start rockin' and rollin' I suppose I'll try that other brand, Custom Probiotics, at least temporarily, until we can get back to Natren. I'm really NOT looking forward to being off HT for so long, but I really want this cow, so I'm going to have to figure out a way to get through this. Wish me luck.

~Lannie

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moldlady
Location: Illinois
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject:


Boy oh boy that is quite a decision to make..... HT or a cow. Maybe give the cow some HT and then you won't have to worry!

Yes, it is expensive. I have switched to two other types and then have come back to HT. HT is about 2 dollars a capsule and my other brands are about 1 dollar a capsule.

HB, glad your fingers didn't swell this year after eating desserts!
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Lannie
Location: South Dakota
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject:

No HT for the cow, she's going to have Vita-Meata-Vegemin! LOL! You know, the MegaVegeDophilus I think is what it's called. The one with the spirulina added. That's what I give the animals because it's cheaper and I can tailor the individual doses for each one.

I'm going to try and squeak by on nothing until we can get some more Natren. I really don't want to mess with another brand anyway, but we'll see how it goes. But as soon as the cow's here, we're spending the next paycheck on a big Natren order!

~Lannie
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Location: Vancouver, BC Canada
Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:49 am Post subject:

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Veggiemom wrote:
Thank You Sandi. I had been following your talk with Lannie and HB on YC and was wondering if the digestive enzyme thing was interferring with the HT. I have been off the digestive enzymes for about a week now, so I am anxious to see if something great starts to happen with my digestion. I'm praying it works cuz I was taking quite a bit of digestive enzymes with every meal and getting very little results.
Thanks a bunch all.
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Try some sauerkraut too, non pasteurized..I think it helped alot too. And always use clarified butter...the bit of milk solids in regular butter accumulates in the guts of us mercury-poisoned souls and can really plug us up.

Hope this helps,
Sandi
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