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Chat - Monday, March 19, 2012; It's the last day of Winter!!!
Tweet Topic Started: Mar 19 2012, 06:21 AM (574 Views)
Artsy Mom	Mar 19 2012, 06:21 AM Post #1
Eagle Guardian Posts: 10,504 Group: Members Member #96 Joined: April 18, 2008	It's Cruzers The last official day of Winter is here and for us it's going to be a doozy A high of 22C/73F with thunderstorms and very windy. The is shining brightly right now Starting tomorrow our temps will be back down with highs in the mid 30's C/50's F so we have to enjoy the warmth while it lasts



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 06:38 AM Post #2
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	Good Morning Artsy, Did You Know: A Black Bear's diet is less than 2 percent meat. Sarvey Wildlife Care Center



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 06:47 AM Post #3
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	A little magic for you this morning.



Naturegal	Mar 19 2012, 06:55 AM Post #4
Eagle Guardian Posts: 15,700 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: August 1, 2007	NEST NEWS - LOTS OF ALCOA-HATCHING IN PROGRESS..........................................................DECORAH.................... COLORADO..........................................................................TWO CHICKS AT OZARKS............. PA NORFOLK THIS MORNING, THANK YOU ZOOMER............... SEQUOYAH...............................................................................SOONER LAKE................ RICHMOND, VA. CUTIES..............................................................CAROLINA SWEETIE.............. NCTC BELLE & SMITTY & ......... THERE IS A CHICK AT ALCOA



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 06:55 AM Post #5
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	Julie Lynn Tumamait-Stenslie "And just like the natural world that sheds all that is old and of no use, we must do the same. Blessed Spring!" snagged from FB



Artsy Mom	Mar 19 2012, 07:03 AM Post #6
Eagle Guardian Posts: 10,504 Group: Members Member #96 Joined: April 18, 2008	Well we knew it was going to happen...the floodgates have opened Wyoming tribe hopes to claim more bald eagles It's all about the feathers SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) - Days after gaining a first permit to kill two bald eagles, members of the Northern Arapaho tribe in Wyoming said they intend to negotiate with the U.S. government for the right to claim more of the revered birds for use in religious ceremonies. The tribe's plan is raising concerns among animal advocates, who say there are ways to honor spiritual traditions without requiring the death of animals. In the first decision of its kind, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service on March 9 approved a so-called "take" permit allowing the tribe to harvest two of the national birds. The approval came after the tribe filed a lawsuit in federal court that argued the government's failure to allow the Northern Arapaho to claim bald eagles infringed on their religious and sovereign rights. Tribal leaders said the permit, which can be renewed yearly, is "a start" but two eagles are insufficient to meet the needs of the 9,600 Northern Arapahos in west-central Wyoming. "After further negotiations are pursued, we may be able to obtain even more eagles down the road," William C'Hair, the tribe's language and cultural commissioner, told Reuters. Wayne Pacelle, president and CEO of the Humane Society of the United States, the nation's largest animal protection group, said the service's decision sets an alarming precedent. "There is something unsettling about allowing the authorized killing of the bald eagle," "There are hundreds of tribes in this country. What would be the consequences of widespread applications for bald eagle killing permits?" Read More



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 07:12 AM Post #7
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	I'm going to have to get Julie's take on the Wyoming tribes. Here is a beautiful photo of Julie's daughter, Julie and her sister (pretty sure). You know Julie came out to Santa Cruz Island with us to bless the island nests and for Limu's memorial. Julie is a Native Chumash Consultant and one of the first people I met in Ojai in 1978. Julie Lynn Tumamait-Stenslie " So beautiful ,they are thriving! " snagged from FB



Artsy Mom	Mar 19 2012, 07:31 AM Post #8
Eagle Guardian Posts: 10,504 Group: Members Member #96 Joined: April 18, 2008	Topa Topa Hikers Mar 19 2012, 06:38 AM Good Morning Artsy, Did You Know: A Black Bear's diet is less than 2 percent meat. Yes, I DID know that Topa This is a hand-painted turkey feather - we used to sell these to pow wow dancers and stores who sold Native American products. We had every imaginable feather stage from juvie to immature and adult in both Bald Eagles and Golden eagles. They were so realistic that at one IACA art show in Mesa, Arizona USFWS people checked them over just to make sure they weren't from I guess if the real feathers from the Repository are not 'good enough' for the Arapahoes then these would be sacrilegious



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 07:46 AM Post #9
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	Arsty, excellent replica of an eagle feather. I can understand why the tribes would want the magic of authentic eagle feathers, but I'm sure they can find another source than killing wild BAEA. I'm not Native American, but I don't think an animal needs to give up it's life to honor mine. WE nest 8:50 a.m.



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 07:54 AM Post #10
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	I better fly



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 07:56 AM Post #11
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	Carole, Carolina on my mind..



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 12:23 PM Post #12
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	Artsy Mom Mar 19 2012, 07:03 AM "There are hundreds of tribes in this country. What would be the consequences of widespread applications for bald eagle killing permits?" Read More I think Wayne Pacelle : The Humane Society of the United States has the humane answer to finding BAEA feathers and body parts. "Tribal leaders said a government program designed to give American Indians feathers and other parts of eagles killed by accident or by poaching was inadequate. Spiritual leader Nelson White said tribal members have received badly decomposed eagles from the national repository - when they gain eagles at all. "We had a tribal member wait for five years for a bird from the repository. When he pulled it out of the box, it was a goose," he said. The Humane Society's Pacelle said many are sensitive to the plight of Native Americans and applaud their cultural and religious bonds with animals and nature. But he said efforts to honor those should be focused on clearing bureaucratic hurdles to ensure tribes receive feathers and eagle parts fit for use and in a timely fashion. "We can honor those religious traditions and ceremonies and find ways not to take the lives of eagles," he said.



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 12:29 PM Post #13
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	A teeny tiny hummer greets the hikers and mnt. bikers on the trail. You just have to look very closely to see it.



Topa Topa Hikers	Mar 19 2012, 12:35 PM Post #14
Eagle Guardian Posts: 9,651 Group: Members Member #5 Joined: July 31, 2007	Topa Topa's



Naturegal	Mar 19 2012, 12:46 PM Post #15
Eagle Guardian Posts: 15,700 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: August 1, 2007	Topa - The scenery in your video is . I really enjoy all your posts, from your hikes with Zoey, your nest photos, FB comments and interesting quotes.


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