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Debate: Electoral Systems and Procedures Act (2014)
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Topic Started: 24th January 2014 - 10:36 PM (363 Views)
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Elpidia
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24th January 2014 - 10:36 PM
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The following bill proposed by CGJ shall be up for debate at least until 1/31/14, unless closed earlier by a majority vote.
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Electoral Systems and Procedures Act (2014)
An act to establish the electoral systems of the Independent Order in compliance with the first Constitutional Amendment Act (2014).
Short Title (1) This act may be referred to as the Electoral Systems and Procedures Act (2014).
Elections (2) If there are two candidates standing for Premier, a standard plurality system shall be used in which a member votes for their preferred candidate. (3) If there are more than two candidates standing for Premier, the Supplementary Vote electoral system shall be used. (4) All Senate elections shall use the Single Transferable Vote electoral system. (5) All elections shall be conducted by the Grand Chancellor.
Supplementary Vote (6) The Supplementary Vote electoral system is where a member votes by posting their first and, optionally, their second preference candidates. (7) If a candidate does not win an overall majority of first-preference votes, then all candidates beside the top two shall be eliminated and their second-preference votes redistributed.
Single Transferable Vote (8) A single transferable vote is a vote: (8.1) Capable of being given so as to indicate the member’s order of preference for the candidates, and; (8.2) Capable of being transferred to the next choice when the vote is not needed to give a prior choice the necessary quota of votes or when a prior choice is eliminated from the list of candidates because of a deficiency in the number of votes given for him. (9) The Grand Chancellor shall count each post as one vote to the candidate marked 1 thereon; he shall also count the total number of votes. (10) He shall calculate the quota. The quota is the smallest number which will ensure the return of a candidate, whatever combination be made of the other votes given in the election. This figure will be obtained by dividing the votes cast by the number of seats to be filled plus one, and adding one to the result.
Counting and Calculating Results (11) The Grand Chancellor shall count all votes manually. (12) The Grand Chancellor may calculate the results using automated calculation software. (13) Automated calculation software is defined as software, either online or downloaded, that can be used to calculate election results. This may include a spreadsheet, application or website. (14) The Grand Chancellor may use more than one automated calculation software to verify the results. (15) Prior to an election, the Grand Chancellor must publicly inform the Premier what software is being used to calculate and verify the results. (16) Following an election, the Grand Chancellor must publish verifiable proof of the electoral process, which may be scrutinised and challenged by any member of the Independent Order.
Edited by Elpidia, 24th January 2014 - 10:44 PM.
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Elpidia
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24th January 2014 - 10:45 PM
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I really like this act, but I do have a question about this section:
"(16) Following an election, the Grand Chancellor must publish verifiable proof of the electoral process, which may be scrutinised and challenged by any member of the Independent Order."
What exactly was your intention in the phrasing "challenged"? I think it may be a good idea to be specific about what that means.
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CGJ
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24th January 2014 - 11:06 PM
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- Elpidia
- 24th January 2014 - 10:45 PM
I really like this act, but I do have a question about this section:
"(16) Following an election, the Grand Chancellor must publish verifiable proof of the electoral process, which may be scrutinised and challenged by any member of the Independent Order."
What exactly was your intention in the phrasing "challenged"? I think it may be a good idea to be specific about what that means. Would this work?
"(17) To challenge a result, a member must provide clear evidence that the method used by the Grand Chancellor provided incorrect or biased results."
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Elpidia
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24th January 2014 - 11:08 PM
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I really like this act, but I do have a question about this section:
"(16) Following an election, the Grand Chancellor must publish verifiable proof of the electoral process, which may be scrutinised and challenged by any member of the Independent Order."
What exactly was your intention in the phrasing "challenged"? I think it may be a good idea to be specific about what that means.
Would this work? "(17) To challenge a result, a member must provide clear evidence that the method used by the Grand Chancellor provided incorrect or biased results." I really meant does 'challenge' mean challenge in the court of law? To whom will the member present his challenge, and who will decide if the election was indeed mishandled?
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CGJ
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24th January 2014 - 11:29 PM
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- 24th January 2014 - 10:45 PM
I really like this act, but I do have a question about this section:
"(16) Following an election, the Grand Chancellor must publish verifiable proof of the electoral process, which may be scrutinised and challenged by any member of the Independent Order."
What exactly was your intention in the phrasing "challenged"? I think it may be a good idea to be specific about what that means.
Would this work? "(17) To challenge a result, a member must provide clear evidence that the method used by the Grand Chancellor provided incorrect or biased results."
I really meant does 'challenge' mean challenge in the court of law? To whom will the member present his challenge, and who will decide if the election was indeed mishandled? I didn't think that bit through properly Or at all
Anyway, yes I would assume the member should present their evidence in the Hall of Justice.
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25th January 2014 - 07:20 AM
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There's no possibility of a secret ballot is there?
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CGJ
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28th January 2014 - 02:46 AM
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Not for the moment, anyway. It makes it easier to scrutinise results if the actual votes are made publicly.
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Beatrice
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2nd February 2014 - 07:00 AM
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- 28th January 2014 - 02:46 AM
Not for the moment, anyway. It makes it easier to scrutinise results if the actual votes are made publicly. Agreed.
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2nd February 2014 - 04:38 PM
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I move to end debate and put this to a vote already.
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CGJ
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2nd February 2014 - 04:51 PM
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I second this.
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3rd February 2014 - 04:43 AM
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Quickly butting in again (sorry :P);
If I had a concern with this bill, it would be the overcomplication of the system for those lodging. In some cases, it's hard enough to get people to even fill out a form of "nation link" and "vote" correctly. I have been slack on enforcing the perfect format on votes in that manner, but this is going to make things... messy?
Furthermore, we'll have a senate of 7 people, but amongst those 7 people we have some very strong individuals. What happens if there's still a tie after it all, or if there aren't even votes distributed to 7 different individual people by the end of it? A runoff clause would save us a headache.
Other than that, I like it. A bit of extra work on my part (not sure how exactly I follow (16) but a precedent will certainly appear), but nothing that'd take more than 10-15 minutes.
Edited by Avakael, 3rd February 2014 - 04:46 AM.
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CGJ
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3rd February 2014 - 02:40 PM
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If I had a concern with this bill, it would be the overcomplication of the system for those lodging. In some cases, it's hard enough to get people to even fill out a form of "nation link" and "vote" correctly. I have been slack on enforcing the perfect format on votes in that manner, but this is going to make things... messy?
It's time to stop being slack then I'd recommend including something like this:
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Name of Nation: Link to NationStates:
My Votes: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. [you may include further preferences]
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Furthermore, we'll have a senate of 7 people, but amongst those 7 people we have some very strong individuals. What happens if there's still a tie after it all, or if there aren't even votes distributed to 7 different individual people by the end of it? A runoff clause would save us a headache.
IIRC it's based on the votes counted first. So it would be the FIRST person to reach the quota (or receive most votes) will be elected. This piece of awesome software will do the trick.
Finally, following (16) should just involve posting the results from the above software.
Edited by CGJ, 3rd February 2014 - 02:40 PM.
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4th February 2014 - 09:43 PM
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I second this. I third the motion.
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5th February 2014 - 12:23 AM
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I fourth the motion.
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5th February 2014 - 02:55 AM
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I fifth the motion.
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5th February 2014 - 03:08 AM
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The motion carries, moved to vote.
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