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| Debate: Intelligence Agency Act (2014) | ||
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| Topic Started: 2nd February 2014 - 01:11 AM (596 Views) | ||
| Elpidia | 2nd February 2014 - 01:11 AM Post #1 | |
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The following bill shall be up for debate at least until 2/8/14, unless closed earlier by a majority vote.
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| theatom117 | 2nd February 2014 - 02:39 AM Post #2 | |
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Why is this needed? | |
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| Beatrice | 2nd February 2014 - 07:00 AM Post #3 | |
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I see no issues with the bill. | |
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| Tytor | 2nd February 2014 - 04:17 PM Post #4 | |
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I second this question. Why is it needed? |
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater His Excellency Juvenal Massaquoi, President of Ubakasa, Protector of the Revolution, and Father of His People Factbook -- News -- Press Office Former Governor-General of The Infinite Alliance Former Ambassador to Albion and the Global Right Alliance Former Vice Premier and Speaker of the Senate of the Independent Order Professional Procrastinator In firm opposition to Donald Trump's inevitable reelection campaign in 2020 Non-partisan and proud of it "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire | ||
| Elpidia | 2nd February 2014 - 05:54 PM Post #5 | |
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It was requested by the Grand Chancellor, he feels we need to formally establish an intelligence agency and make sure evidence gained by it can be used in court. | |
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| Elpidia | 2nd February 2014 - 05:56 PM Post #6 | |
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Edited by Elpidia, 2nd February 2014 - 05:58 PM.
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| CGJ | 2nd February 2014 - 07:01 PM Post #7 | |
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Evidence against whom? I can't see an Intelligence Agency doing anything remotely useful. | |
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| theatom117 | 2nd February 2014 - 07:12 PM Post #8 | |
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I agree could he explain why this is necessary. | |
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| Mavei | 2nd February 2014 - 09:39 PM Post #9 | |
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So it's like a information base for court cases, I agree. | |
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| Avakael | 3rd February 2014 - 02:46 AM Post #10 | |
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I'll quietly enter and explain; This intelligence department is future proofing for the needs of both The Independent Order, and Enlightened Imperialism. It wouldn't be "opened" for some time, because it is not necessary now, but I see no reason to advertise the exact moment of opening and would rather simply have a law that establishes it in name only now. The Independent Order is extraordinarily unusual in the gameplay world because we do not maintain official citizenship. There are no checks to get into our society. You just rock up to the region with a nation and register on the board and you immediately have full access. Not everyone who appears on this forum will be here with the intention of contributing to the community. Enlightened Imperialism is a solid policy. We're here to help. But thus far in public presentation to areas of the rest of the game, we're finding that people can't be bothered to actually read the ideological text and just go off the name, and immediately group us in with other imperialist powers such as The New Inquisition. Similar ideas, such as the Europeian Great Architecture Project, have been slammed by defenders and misguided natsovs as an exercise in nothing but building political influence for use against defenders, and Enlightened Imperialism, from a PR perspective, will be even harder to justify- because it's actually stylized as an empire. Whether we like it or not, raiders and defenders are going to look at our region and immediately attempt to pigeonhole Enlightened Imperialism as being an extension of either raiding, or defending, and defenders are probably going to label it as an extension of raiding. This means it is a significant possibility, that even if we were to announce open intentions of non aggression to defender powers in NationStates, that defenders might simply not recognize it and attempt to interfere either in regions underneath our umbrella of assistance, or in The Independent Order itself. Raiders I am less concerned about (raiding is my background and I still have a few friends on that end of the spectrum, albeit only a few), but the traditional concerns surrounding what raiders may do to a region remain, especially if raider or other imperialist powers decide that we are politically too close to defender spheres. I am modestly experienced and capable in both intelligence and counter-intelligence, but I am one person, and I do not have a massive room full of television screens to monitor the entire region, indeed regional umbrella of assistance, for threats at all times. Regions with a problem with us may very well employ well established intelligence organizations of their own against our region. Thus is is appropriate to formalize an intelligence organization of our own in order to provide some defense against those who would seek to cause cause damage to The Independent Order or Enlightened Imperialism. |
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| Chernobereg | 3rd February 2014 - 08:01 PM Post #11 | |
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So because we don't have the citizenship procedures, we instead need this act. Ah kay then. |
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| Avakael | 4th February 2014 - 12:16 AM Post #12 | |
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We'd still need it if we did have citizenship, I'm just pointing that out as another reason. Sorry.
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| Tytor | 9th February 2014 - 01:00 AM Post #13 | |
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I move to end debate and proceed to a vote. | |
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater His Excellency Juvenal Massaquoi, President of Ubakasa, Protector of the Revolution, and Father of His People Factbook -- News -- Press Office Former Governor-General of The Infinite Alliance Former Ambassador to Albion and the Global Right Alliance Former Vice Premier and Speaker of the Senate of the Independent Order Professional Procrastinator In firm opposition to Donald Trump's inevitable reelection campaign in 2020 Non-partisan and proud of it "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire | ||
| Beatrice | 9th February 2014 - 12:50 PM Post #14 | |
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Seconded. |
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| CGJ | 9th February 2014 - 02:26 PM Post #15 | |
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Seconded! | |
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| Mavei | 9th February 2014 - 04:30 PM Post #16 | |
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Seconded | |
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| Great Jonathania | 10th February 2014 - 12:51 AM Post #17 | |
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Fifthed. | |
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| Elpidia | 10th February 2014 - 01:48 AM Post #18 | |
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Motion carries, moved to vote. | |
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