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Constitutional Amendment Act – Fourth Amendment (2014)
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Topic Started: 22nd March 2014 - 01:13 AM (425 Views)
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CGJ
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22nd March 2014 - 01:13 AM
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The following bill, proposed by Senator CGJ, shall be up for debate at least until 29/3/14, unless closed earlier by a majority vote.
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Constitutional Amendment Act – Fourth Amendment (2014)
An Act to amend the Constitution of the Independent Order.
Short Title
(1) This act may be referred to as the Constitutional Amendment Act – Fourth Amendment (2014).
Amendments
(2) Section (16) shall be amended thusly:
"(16) Any proposed bill or act shall be debated in the Senate for seven days, after such time any Senator may move to vote on the bill. The Speaker may move to vote on the bill before the elapsed time period. If a majority of the Senate supports the motion the Speaker must move the bill to vote within twenty-four hours.”
(3) Section (24) shall be amended thusly:
“(24) The Cabinet shall be made up of a number of portfolios. The Premier may create and/or abolish portfolios at his/her discretion, however, it must consist of at least the following portfolios: The Minister of Culture The Minister of Foreign Affairs The Minister of Armed Forces The Minister of Justice”
Edited by CGJ, 22nd March 2014 - 01:13 AM.
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CGJ
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22nd March 2014 - 01:16 AM
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Additional notes:
1) I'd like to draw attention to section (2). Despite just writing it, I'm uncertain of how it's worded and think it could be clearer. In addition, do people want that power to be limited to the Speaker or any member of the Senate?
2) While section (3) is in response to the petition, I'd also like to propose abolishing the Minister of Culture as an essential portfolio.
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 | The Most Honourable Marquess CGJ PC Vice Chancellor
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theatom117
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22nd March 2014 - 01:18 AM
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point 2 I agree. point one I have to think about longer.
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Beatrice
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22nd March 2014 - 02:15 AM
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I support the spirit behind the Bill, although I suggest against a version which removes the Minster of Culture as an essential portfolio.
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theatom117
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22nd March 2014 - 02:43 AM
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I don't see why it is necessary.
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Beatrice
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22nd March 2014 - 03:54 AM
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Promoting further cultural development and engaging the members in that development is important to the region as a whole. In real life cultures are what defines a people, and I feel that it is much the same for a regional community. We're seeing a boon of activity across the region, and it's best to have a Minister of Culture in place to work with members new and old as we see further development, and perhaps evolution, in that regional culture.
Thus my view of the Minister of Culture as an essential portfolio stands.
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Mavei
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22nd March 2014 - 04:02 AM
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So your saying that Senators must receive confirmation from the Speaker to move it to vote before 7 days, but if it happens within 24 hours, the Speaker is obligated to do so? I'm just a little confused, that's all.
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CGJ
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22nd March 2014 - 04:07 AM
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So your saying that Senators must receive confirmation from the Speaker to move it to vote before 7 days, but if it happens within 24 hours, the Speaker is obligated to do so? I'm just a little confused, that's all. It allows the Speaker to bring the vote forward before the 7 day time period has elapsed.
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Elpidia
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24th March 2014 - 02:02 PM
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Why do you think only the Speaker should be allowed to motion to end the vote early? I think any Senator should be allowed to.
Although I support the other section of the bill, though I believe it to be a bit unnecessary, it's not harmful.
Edited by Elpidia, 24th March 2014 - 02:03 PM.
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CGJ
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25th March 2014 - 03:39 AM
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- 24th March 2014 - 02:02 PM
Why do you think only the Speaker should be allowed to motion to end the vote early? I think any Senator should be allowed to.
Although I support the other section of the bill, though I believe it to be a bit unnecessary, it's not harmful. I suppose it's about keeping this seven day time limit.
Perhaps a motion put forward before this time should require unanimous support?
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Elpidia
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25th March 2014 - 03:41 AM
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Why do you think only the Speaker should be allowed to motion to end the vote early? I think any Senator should be allowed to.
Although I support the other section of the bill, though I believe it to be a bit unnecessary, it's not harmful.
I suppose it's about keeping this seven day time limit. Perhaps a motion put forward before this time should require unanimous support? I'm just not sure the current system is broken. If a majority of Senators want to end debate, why should we drag it out for seven days?
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CGJ
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25th March 2014 - 04:05 AM
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Why do you think only the Speaker should be allowed to motion to end the vote early? I think any Senator should be allowed to.
Although I support the other section of the bill, though I believe it to be a bit unnecessary, it's not harmful.
I suppose it's about keeping this seven day time limit. Perhaps a motion put forward before this time should require unanimous support?
I'm just not sure the current system is broken. If a majority of Senators want to end debate, why should we drag it out for seven days? That is how it works, officially, in the Constitution:
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(13) Any proposed bill or act shall be debated in the Senate for no less than seven days, after such time any Senator may move to vote on the bill. If a majority of the Senate supports the motion the Speaker must move the bill to vote within twenty-four hours.
Both you and I interpreted this as a guideline, but to avoid any potential issues in future, it probably should be altered.
Edited by CGJ, 25th March 2014 - 04:07 AM.
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CGJ
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26th March 2014 - 02:30 AM
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Proposed amendments in bold.
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(2) Section (16) shall be amended thusly:
"(16) Any proposed bill or act shall be debated in the Senate for no less than three days, after such time any Senator may move to vote on the bill. If a majority of the Senate supports the motion, the Speaker must move the bill to vote within twenty-four hours. If a petition to delay, amend or block a proposed bill or act is submitted to the public gallery, then the Speaker must allow 36 hours for it to gain the number of signatures equal to or more than the number of Senators. If the petition achieves this, then the proposed bill or act may only be voted on after seven days after original submission; otherwise the bill or act may progress normally.”
I hope this covers any potential issues quite nicely, thoughts?
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Previous legislation (4) Any Act previously in violation of Section (16) of the Constitution shall henceforth be considered a legitimate Act of the Senate. Such Acts shall also be regarded as to having commenced following their initial passage through the Senate.
Edited by CGJ, 26th March 2014 - 02:49 AM.
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26th March 2014 - 01:31 PM
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I have a few changes and additions of my own to propose. They are underlined:
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(2) Section (16) shall be amended thusly:
"(16) Any proposed bill or act shall be debated in the Senate for no less than three (3) days, after such time any Senator may move to vote on the bill. If a majority of the Senate supports the motion, the Speaker must move the bill to vote within twenty-four (24) hours. If a petition to delay, amend or block a proposed bill or act is submitted to the public gallery, then the Speaker must allow thirty-six (36) hours for it to gain the number of signatures equal to or more than the number of Senators. If the petition achieves this, then the proposed bill or act may only be voted on after seven (7) days after the original submission; otherwise the bill or act may progress normally.”
Otherwise, I like it.
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Edited by CGJ, 26th March 2014 - 06:01 PM.
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26th March 2014 - 01:54 PM
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Thanks Tytor ! I support your amendments.
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29th March 2014 - 06:10 PM
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I beg to move that the Constitutional Amendment, with the amendments suggested by myself and Tytor included, be taken to a vote.
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29th March 2014 - 08:16 PM
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Seconded.
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater
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29th March 2014 - 08:36 PM
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Thirded.
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Elpidia
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29th March 2014 - 10:47 PM
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Seconded, and with three seconds it carries.
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