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| Topic Started: 18th July 2014 - 01:09 AM (465 Views) | ||||
| Elpidia | 18th July 2014 - 01:09 AM Post #1 | |||
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I wasn't sure where this went, it's kind of OOC for RP, but I figured Socialization was as good as any. My intent, in this short piece, to address a problem that has existed in our RP world for sometime, but which occurred to me only today. I've spent the day, while at work and elsewhere, with the Themata situation in the back of my mind. I've been thinking about how Themata can be more effectively sealed off, how we can convince the CIS to join us, how we can eventually defeat Stalin and bring peace and freedom to the world, etc, etc. It then occurred to me that we are going about this all wrong, especially in all the confrontations between CSTO and WARSAW, and in some RP conflicts more generally. We've forgotten one of the fundamental guidelines of RP, that we aren't here to win, to have the strongest military, or the biggest guns, we're here to create stories together. RP is meant to be a group activity, where we pool our collective creativity to imagine up interesting situations, characters, and plot lines. We're supposed to try to create stories, where our nations do not always come out on top. We need to be ready and willing to see our nations fortunes rise and fall. However, in this recent Themata situation and similar occurrences past, we've all forgotten this. We've too closely identified with our nations, viewing them from the perspective of leaders, rather than storytellers. In real life we obviously would want our nation to excel in everything and to protect them from all aggression. In the RP however, a world of constant upward progress is both boring, and ridiculously unrealistic. We've started to view the opposing side as our enemies, conflating them with their RP-selves. We've begun to view conflict RPs as war-games, where the goal is to out-think, out-perform, and out-number the enemy. We bring bigger and better weapons out of the woodwork, and put our nations in the best possible position to defeat the opponent. A prime example of this outlook is seen in a comparison of the current Themata situation, and other RPs such as the Iron Crown RP. In the latter there was the outline of a plan. Blanks were left in the plan, of course, to provide an element of surprise, and allow for improvisation. However, all the player discussed, in amicable atmosphere, where'd they'd like the RP to go and how they'd like to participate. In the former the set-up is much more like a game of Risk, the opposing sides do not even discuss the overall plan of the RP. This leads to competition like I said before, even spilling into OOC arguments about what is acceptable and what is not. In all of this I am as guilty as anyone else, I'm only glad that I've realized it. I call on us to respect our own collective creation, to do RP as it is meant to be done. This begins with a simple discussion over an outline of the RP's plot. |
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| Sky Queen | 18th July 2014 - 01:22 AM Post #2 | |||
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Nah, I know godmodding isn't fun. But yeah, my nation is so awesome, no way it will become reality. A gal can dream can't she? | |||
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| Hypothetical Genius | 18th July 2014 - 01:45 AM Post #3 | |||
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Oh? I thought I was doing it right. I mean, for me I tried not to 'overpower' my nation. The plan was to make a stable nation that had been well established for over a century. Instead my other nations in the past where, they just came out of a civil war or had a crippling economy or some crazy revolution that made me overly attached to them for some reason. I see the Thematan issue most reasonable for Caelidia to get involved with and my intention was not to "one-up" anybody, i'm just simply responding the way I think Caeldia would. It's one of the reasons I used the kind of military, my military is advanced but not all the weapons are my own choice, they're rather what I think Caelidia would prefer or afford. Everytime I have multiple ideas and personnal preferances, I try to counter with something i'm not so opinionated about or attached to about. I would prefer a cold nordic land but instead I made Caelidia medeterrainian-tropical climate and spanish in culture while I REALLY wanted to try an asian. It actually expands on my creativity more and gives me more a narrator role rather than a competitive attachment to a story. Honestly, I could care less if Caelidia wins or losses battles or has a god awful economy or an excellent one. I take up the role as the author to a story, personally that's what it is for me. I love writing stories and this is why I participate. I will admit though, this seems more like a game of Supreme Ruler 2020, Hearts of Iron or Civilization. Theres a competitive aspect to it, which is fun at times but..... Isn't this storytelling guys? ![]() Edited by Hypothetical Genius, 18th July 2014 - 01:49 AM.
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| Great Jonathania | 18th July 2014 - 01:48 AM Post #4 | |||
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I was going to have both halves of GJ work together on this and eventually have them reunite, but I suppose I can have it sort of be like WWII and WWII, where the north received a lot of damage and is trying to rebuild while a dictator rises like Hitler who then attacks the south, which is battling Stalin, then the north makes a treaty with WARSAW. Could that work? | |||
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| Elpidia | 18th July 2014 - 01:59 AM Post #5 | |||
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I didn't mean to call anyone out specifically, other than the CSTO and Warsaw nations, I guess. If this is your goal and intention, then you are most definitely doing it right. I don't mean to say that anyone is godmodding or doing anything wrong, it's just the manner in which we have been going about these conflict RPs is not quite right, in my opinion. |
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| Elpidia | 18th July 2014 - 02:01 AM Post #6 | |||
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GJ, if you're ready to listen to all the criticism you got in your Civil War thread, and are really interesting in writing a proper RP, I'd be happy to work with you. This idea of yours actually works into a larger plan I'm working on. If you're ready to continue accepting constructive criticism, as we all should be, you're welcome to be a part of it. |
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| Great Jonathania | 18th July 2014 - 02:48 AM Post #7 | |||
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I really have to give it to USR. He's always the one who takes the part of the villain for almost every conflict he's in. I know I definitly could never do that. | |||
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| Beatrice | 18th July 2014 - 03:19 AM Post #8 | |||
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CGJ and I (with Matt popping in sometimes) have had a few conversations with USR and Thom about the current Themata RP, agreeing for the need for an OOC topic to lay the ground rules, plot where things are going to go, and cooperate. It's been an honest pleasure to have USR on IRC, as we've spoken via PM sporadically. I for one haven't viewed USR in any less of a light for his IC actions, and though sporadic we've always got along well OOCly. This is also something CGJ and I were discussing earlier. As many know I've RPed with a smaller military than I could have for quite some time, and have reached out to others to discuss things as well. At the same time a lot of RPs have come up that have been enjoyable because of their spontaneous and loose nature. I think there's room for both approaches to RP, and that each have an appropriate time and place. I've (personally) also rectified issues following the Megitsune incident with Rhodes, and things have gone well from there. So far, at least on IRC, the OOC conversations have been nothing but pleasant, I think the worst that's been said is a joke about Stalinists or something. I think if someone was on IRC more often they'd be able to take part in the fun there. ^_~ So yeah, we're already on it.
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| Rhodes | 18th July 2014 - 04:35 AM Post #9 | |||
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I also have to commend B on the Megitsune thing. I had a problem with some aspects of our Illumic standoff. I took it OOC and it was discussed, though not always agreed upon, there was also input from people not involved in that RP. In the end it was resolved without affecting IC RP. I think something we both learned was the need to establish an OOC early. something that has already happened in the Themata situation. So I want to officially tip my hat to the best of adversaries and Im glad tge lessons learned are being carried on in other RPs |
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| USR | 18th July 2014 - 07:59 AM Post #10 | |||
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I do like playing the villain
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| Elpidia | 18th July 2014 - 11:22 AM Post #11 | |||
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Apparently I've simply been out of the loop
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| Matthew Vinage | 18th July 2014 - 12:47 PM Post #12 | |||
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I mean, I know I like to keep bringing out the biggest weapons, but I always make the big weapons have some sort of weakness (or weaknesses). Just look at the Quinntopia Class Battleship - it may be huge and have colossal guns, but that makes it slow and difficult to manoeuvre. It also has no anti-sub weapons so they're a major threat to it, too. So, I know I'm probably one of the most guilty of the problems you described, E, but I do try to RP it so I don't steamroll people. |
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