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Topic Started: 10th August 2014 - 03:57 PM (370 Views)
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I've been becoming increasingly aware of the amount of strong language used in this forum. Frankly, it's extremely unattractive, if not outright offensive. I want to ask that the use of strong language be reduced, if not entirely ended.

I'm sorry if I sound rude, but I feel strongly about this.
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Is that in regards to the RP, or just in general? Because if you're talking about the RP, most of us post warnings if our posts/stories contain strong language.
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On an OOC level, I haven't really seen much in the way of offensive language recently, although I would agree that there is little warrent for it there. On an IC level, some maybe less cultured language has been used by some, myself included, but largely where it would realistically be so. If you find this particularly offensive, then I, for one, shall try to reduce it where not entirely neciccary.

That is not to say, however, that I will completely be cleaning up all of my posts, I'll just try to save it for effect in certain situations.

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While I personally don't care for language, to me they're just mere petty words, if many are offended then I will create a strict barrier for myself not to use "offensive" language. But, you are just one person and I will not change the way I write simply because you dislike it. If most of the region complained about it then I would change, if it was a rule then I would change, but without these I care less if someone gets offended by 'words'.

I use "bad" words for a range of characters and I will continue to use pinche for a wide range of Caelidian dialogue, pinche can mean f*ck, f*cker, f*cking or motherf*cker depending on what connotation it's used in. It's just part of the Caelidian culture which is familiar with Mayan, Mexican, Spaniard and Italian culture. The use of some words though really depends on the character, for example General Gual, a rough n' tough cussing spittin' marine who drinks hard Caelidian liquor. So, no I will not limit the language I use unfortunately, though personally I am not a huge user of offensive language, I find no use for it. But, my characters and their dialogue is different. Unless I get trampled by complaints I won't change.

Sorry, if it all helps, I will begin putting warnings so you may avoid my writings.
Edited by Hypothetical Genius, 10th August 2014 - 07:38 PM.
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10th August 2014 - 04:13 PM
Is that in regards to the RP, or just in general? Because if you're talking about the RP, most of us post warnings if our posts/stories contain strong language.
In general, really, though in the RP "most of us" seems to only include you and maybe two or three others.
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While I personally don't care for language, to me they're just mere petty words, if many are offended then I will create a strict barrier for myself not to use "offensive" language. But, you are just one person and I will not change the way I write simply because you dislike it. If most of the region complained about it then I would change, if it was a rule then I would change, but without these I care less if someone gets offended by 'words'.

I use "bad" words for a range of characters and I will continue to use pinche for a wide range of Caelidian dialogue, pinche can mean ****, ******, ******* or ************ depending on what connotation it's used in. It's just part of the Caelidian culture which is familiar with Mayan, Mexican, Spaniard and Italian culture. The use of some words though really depends on the character, for example General Gual, a rough n' tough cussing spittin' marine who drinks hard Caelidian liquor. So, no I will not limit the language I use unfortunately, though personally I am not a huge user of offensive language, I find no use for it. But, my characters and their dialogue is different. Unless I get trampled by complaints I won't change.

Sorry, if it all helps, I will begin putting warnings so you may avoid my writings.
As you may or may not have noticed, I have never used strong language of any kind in my RP writings. This does not detract from my characters in any way, and in fact, in my own opinion at least, makes them better people. I was not attacking you directly, so there's no need to get hostile.

Everyone: look at it this way: would you want your parents to read what you write, language intact? Would you want your kids to read it? I would suggest that coarse language such as is commonly found in the RP is not so much a sign of maturity as it is a form of immaturity. I'm not trying to offend anyone, so I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but this strong language is offensive to me.
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I wasn't being hostile and didn't think this was directed to me. I don't feel the need to sugarcoat things or dance around with conversion or points, I prefer to be up front and blunt at time, I say what I mean, really. So if it came off as rude, sorry. This is what I hate about the internet and communicating with people over text. Because your allowed to precieve what someone is saying the way you want, whether it's rude, funny or nice, just a quick point.

Anyway, my characters are still going to use language at times. I don't know of you noticed, but people use "bad" words alot under stressful situations and on some other occassions. It doesn't matter if it's an internet forum or RL, people do it all the time whether you like it or not. And simply calling someone mature and immature for uses of specific dialogue that offends you is silly. But it's all my opinion, and my opinion is getting offended over small words is immature. It's my opinion and someone is offended by it then it's really not my problem, why get stressed over someone else's opinion.

I am just stating my case and will continue to if so. All the bad word ridiculousness is just simple ape foolishness to me that i've been over for a long time. If I caused offense, sorry.
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I don't want to debate opinions, it's ridiculous. So let's not continue with this. I will put warnings up if it destroys some so much if #@*% pops up in a sentence.

If anything, perhaps the senate or GC can put rules that limit or ban the use of pffensive words....I am in the senate ya know :P and I think i'm allowed to propose laws unless theres an allowance or rank system i'm not aware of. However, I think people want the government to stay out of the rp.

Anyway, my laptop is about to either turn off or explode.
Edited by Hypothetical Genius, 10th August 2014 - 10:06 PM.
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I try and use minimal course language in my posts, and when I do I make sure I put a warning. OOC I rever swear, I just find that given the context and character of those I RP it makes sense for them to use such language. When you are on a battleship and a missile flies overhead, that is reasonable. When you are in a sub and your fridges in an adjacent sub have just died horrible deaths, such language mus be warranted.

I don't mean to come across as hostile, and will limit my use of foul language in future, but I feel as if the extent to what I have thus far is reasonable and in-context.
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10th August 2014 - 09:03 PM
In fact, in my own opinion at least, makes them better people.

Everyone: look at it this way: would you want your parents to read what you write, language intact? Would you want your kids to read it? I would suggest that coarse language such as is commonly found in the RP is not so much a sign of maturity as it is a form of immaturity. I'm not trying to offend anyone, so I'm sorry if I come off as rude, but this strong language is offensive to me.
First of all I'd like to apologise for the short message and any typos etc, I'm on my phone in the departure lounge.

Anyway, I this complaint is just a little bit...silly? I can't think of a better word.

Characters are not perfect idols, they really should never be perfect idols. The main point about characters is that they are supposed to represent 'real' people.

And real people swear.

Perhaps there should be a rule where there must be OOC warnings for IC swearing, but I really don't see a problem with current levels. And as for your questions, I wouldn't mind if my mother saw it - she doesn't swear much herself but she isn't particularly adverse to it. And as for kids? Well how old? I doubt a 5 year old will spend the time reading through the forums, and anyone above the age of 12, with some minor exceptions, will already know what swear words are and what they mean.

Anyway...off to Berlin.
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What if we implement a rule where strong language must be contained in spoilers, as that would require people to click to view it?
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What if we implement a rule where strong language must be contained in spoilers, as that would require people to click to view it?
Something I agree with in theory, although that would wreck havoc on formatting. Is there a way for us to get a spoiler system which simply covers certain text (e.g. foul language) and requires a mouse over to be viewed. Or perhaps we can just use asterisks where appropriate.
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My opinion is not really relevant, but oh well.

I personally dislike overly vulgar language and avoid using it. However, I don't find it particularly offensive when other people use it. I guess I just already noted that I appreciate that the community does a good job warning that vulgar language may be included in the following post. I think that reasonable limitations of vulgarity would be welcome, but I don't know that this community necessarily has a problem with overtly offensive language that warrants restrictions.

So, basically, a few swear words don't affect me much, and the community already doesn't use racially or group-oriented slurs.
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Not sure how it's done in other parts of the world, but in the UK we give films age ratings. The amount of language and the way it is used is one consideration when they give a rating. From the stuff I see on the forums I would say at worst we have some posts that are 12 rated. I think no one uses it gratuitously and a simple warning should be enough. If you then choose to read it then don't feel offended. It would be like picking up a Dvd seeing the 12 rating, reading the note saying contains some strong language and then complaining. I personally don't feel this is a problem. The use of strong language is used in what I would say is a realistic manner and not done sensationally. I can't imagine a soldier who has just seen his friend get shot go "oh fiddle sticks"
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