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Alba Kariya History
Topic Started: 1st October 2014 - 02:36 AM (354 Views)
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Looking through the forum and Culture District I found that Ardia had the Ardian Empire, I want to create an interactive history for AK as well. So, in my history drafts, I wrote that the Toshikawan people were expansionist people which explains they're need to expand into the global economic market with corporations. However, back in the day Toshikawa was expansionist in militaristic ways.

Originally the wars and expansion only pertained within Toshikawan borders, but I'd like to expand the idea beyond, because logically Toshikawa wouldn't stop at their borders, empires need to do two things to stay alive, conquer more land and collect taxes. I was thinking that the old San Empire from Toshikawa perhaps conquered all or nearly all of AKand perhaps expanded a bit across the Illumic Channel.

Thought?

And if not, then I'm more than happy to just work on some other historic concept.
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I definitely like the idea. In terms of the area that Galicia occupies, I've been working on a history. Although I haven't published much Iredic history (I'll get around to it, I promise) it does exist. As Galicia is walled off from EM by mountains, my history dictates that before it became the multicultural settlement that it is today, native groups similar to IRL native Americans occupied the area. If there existed some older empires though, ruins of outposts and small towns in Galicia could fit in quite nicely.
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Sorry I missed this. I've always worked on that in the 13th century East Moreland had a King called Paul who went a bit nuts and began to wthdraw EM from the world, this continued in one shape or form until the 20th Century, hence the survival of our unique religion and chivalric style moral code. I've been working on a biography of each of my Kings for a while offsite. I would be willing to merge them with some of these idea though.
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Sounds like a plan! :)
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Awesome, San Empire would actually exist roughly from 1439 A.D to 1800 A.D(can be adjusted for convenience). The empire would eventually be beaten back however as it started to isolate itself and couldn't expand any further as the rest of the world was technologically beating it. Eventually it collapsed with the Buke revolution and it's subject client states such as those on AK(Which were reduced down to tiny states) rebelled and used new modern tactics and weapons(for the time) against the old duelist way of fighting the empire used. Eventually the empire fell and Toshikawa came to birth and established a less powerful Shogunate and started to embrace democracy.
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Cool. Should we incorporate previous nations on the island in the history? Banaria used to be occupied by one called Albanor while I think Toshikawa used to be the U.N.N.A.
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That could be unique, I could say the U.N.N.A were foreign invaders that conquered San but San pushed them back and rose to power. I could also say that Toshikawa liberated Banaria from Ablnaor but only to get into the public's favor and more easily conquer the land.
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I love your creativity, but that's a bit factually inaccurate. Toshikawa came literally right after U.N.N.A. went away - go to the 'Map' page and scroll down for the archives. Looking at these archives, we can see that the previous nations on AB were Larita, Jackvan, Kaiser Adolf, Zuhar Ascend, Albanor, East Moreland, U.N.N.A., Ebonnium, Arenoth, Ireden, Banaria, and Toshikawa. For a realistic history, we should probably incorporate all of these. Beatrice, the grand chancellor, was around for all of those nations so maybe she could provide us some information on what they were like. Dave also knew most of the more recent ones. I like your idea of the San Empire, we should work the history of that around the history of the nations that were on the map. I like your idea of Toshikawa conquering Albanor too, it's just that I already have a history of how Banaria was founded. Maybe some of the history could go like this(once more we need to ask B about how accurate our info is and also please note that Banaria was founded 5 days before Toshi so we need to incorporate that):

1. April 10 - The U.N.N.A. forms, but government protesters called Toshikawa start a rebel group. Toshikawa spreads around Alba Karinya and goes to Albanor but not EM or AK.
2. June 3 - Toshikawa defeats Albanor. However, the U.N.N.A. still exists. Toshikawa is unable to set up a real government due to native tribe groups massacring.
3. September 1 - After exploring many lands, Banaria goes to old Albanor, which is now held by Toshikawa rebels. Toshi allows Banaria to settle and create its own nation. Toshi decides to do this because it does not like the land of old Albanor and will give it away - it desires a country on what was then the U.N.N.A. Toshi signs a treaty with banaria that lets Banaria have a country in return for military support against the U.N.N.A. However, both countries do not yet have nations due to the native tribes. Banaria declares independence on this day though Toshi does not until Sept 6.
4. September 2 - Toshi and Banaria defeat the already weakened U.N.N.A.
5. September 6 - Toshi occupies the U.N.N.A. and declares independence.
6. September 10 - Both nations are rewarded with official international recognition because of their brave acts.

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I wouldn't get tied up in the whole issue of the former nations and such. I'd leave it up to each nation to deciede how they came into existence, for example my whole nations traditions are based on thousands of years. By tying yourself to former nations and maps in real time then you can't have much history of your nation.
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Plus in the case of the U.N.N.A Storm is still on the forum only under a different nation name now so I imagine you'd have to talk to him about anything like that.
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so he just changed names?
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He changed nations- what we don't know his whether his new nation is a reincarnation of the UNNA under a different name
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Storm left for a while, we thought he'd gone as he didn't post a LOA , as such he was taken off the map and Toshikawa took his place, Storm then returned this week and has now re-applied for a new map position, I think he's also started from scratch.
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OK. I think Toshi likes the 'old countries' idea, I don't know if you do EM. Personally, I'm fine either way. But anyway, B was here since the start and we could ask her about the other nations. I don't really think it limits creativity.
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I was under the assumptions that deleted nations due to lack of activity were just not recognized being a real part Mundus except those of Themata and Saefran who've had such a huge impact on the world. I was talking about ancient history, Toshikawa for the past two centuries was in near isolation after the fall of the San Empire.
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I'm going to stick to my half done kings list. As David has often refered to some of the past Kings in his speeches, vignettes etc. Therefore I can't really use any of the older nations without it changing the traditions of East Morleand which I've exstensively built up massively.
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That's cool, I could write it in history that San tried to conquer EM but EM used the alps and military formation(Toshes back in the day fought in a deulist fashion with zero military organization) dicspline to beat them back. Just throwing that out there.
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IDK.... For me I still don't know about what my history is like but I'll figure it out soon. Toshi I'm fine if you want the san empire and whatever else.... just please note that Banaria was founded on September 1 2014
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