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World War One; Mutual History Discussion
Topic Started: 3rd January 2015 - 10:48 AM (1,042 Views)
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I'm starting this thread with the goal of creating a topic in the library summarizing this conflict.

In including WWI in my history, I have made the following assumptions
a) The war took place between the same dates
b) The war was fought in a similar manner, i.e. with similar technology and weaponary
c) There was a similar number of casualties to IRL WWI
d) The War was ended with a Versailles esque document

Dyfedia was involved on the losing side of the war, capitulating and signing the treaty of versailles (or IC equivalent). Here is the relevant section of my factbook

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When the first World War broke out in 1914, some claimed it was an opportunity to fight against Russia, and end Dyfedia's dependence on them. This talk was quickly silenced, and Dyfedia joined the conflict on Russia's side. Dyfedian soldiers saw conflict in ..., with over 40,000 Dyfedian soldiers killed during hostilities. Dyfedians grew increasingly tired of war, and increasingly intolerant of King Aelwyn, who supported the war and Dyfedia's ongoing involvement.. Revolutionary rhetoric spread, calling for an end to the war and the abdication of the king. This revolutionary talk continued to gain momentum, yet the war dragged on. In 1918, exhausted and defeated, Dyfedia signed the treaty of ..., an unconditional surrender, which limited its capability to maintain a miliary, as well as imposing harsh reparations, which devastated the already weak economy. Only then did King Aelwyn finally adhere to the demands of revolutionaries, abdicating the crown.


So if everyone who was involved wants post something similar to the above here, we could figure out sides, belligerents, and then work on the course of the war, and I can try to put together a summary.

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BELLIGERENTS
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Ardian Empire
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Tytor
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Dartfordia
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CAUSE

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Theatres?
Naval Theatre
Fronts?
Ending Treaty? Conditions? Reparations?
Edited by Major_Thom, 5th January 2015 - 03:04 AM.
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Alright. I guess we are going with the theory that the Rus Empire was on the losing side.

The Rus Empire joined in on the war to support their allies in ___ against ___. Calling together Rus' allies, they viewed themselves as a mighty power, able to destroy any who oppose it. However, as its enemies grew and grew, a longer, more powerful war grew. As its allies continued fighting alongside it, revolutionary fever spread among it's people, demanding peace, freedom and equality. This forced the Rus Empire to surrender a year earlier, on the conditions of losing its most western provinces in central Coft Aranye. However, this did not prevent a violent Revolutionary war, which ravened the country for many years, and resulted in the independence of countless states.

I don't know if the Rus empire would be the primary aggressor, or an ally of the aggressor. If i have to start the war, I would be fine with it.
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At the time, Ireden was a bunch of small territories acting as one nation, only without a central government. We can assume most Iredic nations would have stayed out of the war, however some of the larger ones could've been persuaded to base troops for enough cash money..
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As far as Achkaerin goes think along the lines of Switzerland i.e. neutral so possible openings for negotiations there, with the memory of a civil war Achkaerin wouldn't jump into a world war- it would have to be attacked first before anything like that happened.
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I've got a section of my history dedicated to this, I've included what I feel relevant to painting a picture:

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The next 100 years was a period of growth, innovation and huge political change. Thanks to the industrial revolution, Dartfordia became a major economic player on the world stage, yet the underlying poverty and dissatisfaction with the political system led to a new calls for reform. Gradually, more and more power was passed from Imperial Monarchy to the ever-changing Imperial Parliament, yet this did little to abate the anger and discontent amongst the poorest. In 1903, Dartfordia signed the 'Lunctus Entente' ('United Agreement') with Rokkenjima, which surprised many in the political sphere. However, it exposed the rising corporate influence within the system, notably from industrial and shipping companies wishing to expand the size of their 'trade empire'.

One of the biggest industries at this time was shipping, they showed off not only Dartfordian excellence, but their industrial might, too. Dartfordia's dominance of Kyne Ocean Liner travel was exemplified by the White Star Line and Cunard Line companies. Through their competition of speed and luxury, they were the clear leaders of their industry. That was, however, until 1912, when White Star Line's ship RMS Titan sank after hitting an iceberg on its maiden voyage. Her destruction sent shockwaves through both Dartfordia and the world's shipping industry, and even today is regarded as being the most famous sinking of all time.

The War Years (1914-1945)

In 1914, Dartfordia became embroiled in the most devastating war in its history. Over 3 million Dartfordian soldiers, sent to fight in the 'war to end all wars' were killed in just the space of 36 months, leaving the Empire's economy shattered with little prospect of recovery. Much like other countries, the government in Hematite was forced to raise taxes across the country, and pursued a policy of widespread means testing for the pennies the state gave to the jobless. These unpopular policies, mixed with people's distrust and disgruntlement with the lack of change in the political system, led to revolt. In 1917, the 'Free Alliance' – made up of the Communists, Republicans and the Constitutionalists – declared civil war on the Empire.

Despite its poor timing, Emperor Paul was insistent that the Great War must be brought to an end. He, and his supporters known simply as the 'Monarchists' believed the two wars were intrinsically interlinked, and that when the Great War ended, the Civil War would too. When the Great War did end a year later, the Civil War worsened. When hundreds of thousands of men returned from the battlefields, they found themselves being forced to support 'Emperor and Country' or 'the People', as it was portrayed. By the time Emperor George III had ascended to the throne in 1919, over 6 million people had been killed in war since 1914. He promised the ever-decreasing number of Monarchists that he would not back down to 'communist and republican demands.' However in 1921, with deaths continuing to rise, and people's lives worsening further, he came to a compromise with the Constitutionalists. The Emperor agreed that, upon the end of the war, the Empire would be dissolved in favour of a Kingdom, and the new Royal Family would have only limited constitutional powers.


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3rd January 2015 - 11:40 AM
I don't know if the Rus empire would be the primary aggressor, or an ally of the aggressor. If i have to start the war, I would be fine with it.
We can have the Ardian Empire be the original aggressor. After all, it has (I believe) already been established that they were dismantled a la Austria-Hungary after the war.

As for Tytor, the following is what I was thinking;

A long-time ally of Imperial Ardia, the Grand Principality of Tytor entered the First World War on their side on December 30, 1914. Tytorian troops fought in several major engagements throughout the war, and Tytorian ships fought in the Battle of _______, the largest naval battle of the war. Ultimately, total casualties nearly reached two hundred thousand, a number which helped create vast dissatisfaction with the monarchy. This unrest would result in the People's Revolt of 1922, which lead in turn to the brutal Communist Period. Ironically, it would be the long years of communist rule that would finally lead to Tytor's modern constitutional monarchy.
Edited by Tytor, 3rd January 2015 - 05:30 PM.
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So as far as I can tell, the central powers are Tytor, the Ardian Empire, the Rus Empire, Dyfedia, and the only allied side we have thus far is Dartfordia?
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Hmm. That's a wee bit of a problem, isn't it?
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I would be interested in adding something if possible.

The 'actual' location of Berrean before I adapted it to fit TIO Geography was between the French-German border and the history I created then put Berrean in as a pain in the backside - helping neither side but still causing trouble. As a result this nation went into a short civil war after having to pay for damages (or whatever it's called) caused.

However this isn't really possible in this particular scenario, but I would be interested in contributing (if possible/'physically' possible) in some form - either similar to what is mentioned above, or allied with either one of the sides - Just as long as the outcome for me can lead to a financial crisis and civil war.
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hmmmm, I'd be willing to perhaps curve Toshikawan history a bit to align me with the Allied powers.

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The issue with WWI is that it was trench warfare, which means we would need to have established fronts somewhere - and with our assorted splattering of nations that isn't really possible.
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well, right now I see two possible fronts. One near or in the Illumic and one that Dartfordia deals with somehow. Toshikawa, would have enough economic strength to host and hold it's own front, though not for long without support.
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Though it'd be nice to have some allies :P
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I can't believe I'm saying this but...<cough, cough> you can <choke> put Seaforth down for a <Yeeecth> ally of Dartfordia. <Oh my God that hurt.>
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I wish I could be involved more but that would require a complete over hall of what I have planned for Iredic foundation.

The most I am willing to curve my history for is 320,000 men from the various functioning mini-kingdoms if you will at the time in Ireden. They wouldn't have been opposed, but would all have been supporting a certain side of the war, more likely the allies and they'd definitely have been involved in any sort of Illumic front. Maybe 60,000 dead, depending on the severity of the war.

Major Kingdoms at the time were 'Eirland (no comments please),' 'Lymra,' 'Hjitad (Large minority ethnic group nation),' 'Breiy' and 'Liiln.' There were others though.

The Republic of Galicia would've been involved in the war heavily, most likely with the allies again, contributing maybe 100,000 men.
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I can't believe I'm saying this but...<cough, cough> you can <choke> put Seaforth down for a <Yeeecth> ally of Dartfordia. <Oh my God that hurt.>
I know it was part of your New Year's resolution...but you don't have to try that hard ;)
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Well the north would take any opportunity to fight the imperialist Rus empire with our own snowy little front :D we would not be allied with Dartfordia yet we were fighting the same force i could wright some history in here about my nation this war can be the reason why the Norths a paranoid security phobe!
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I've begun assembling the page in the Library subforum. Is anyone interested in hosting the treaty of Versailles equivalent?
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Galicia definitely could've hosted it.
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Rokkenjima (then the Federal Republic) could enter the war on the Allied side in mid-1917.
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Adiedren could join mid war, 1915-1916, on the aggressor side (if this doesn't have anything to do with the map)
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Seeing as Fahrland is so close to where I assume the Rus Empire existed, it would be a perfect place for a long trench line to develop. Fahrland could have been one of the main battlegrounds (which would provide a good explanation for our long isolationist stretch and our peculiar government style). It wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that Seaforthian troops came in to bolster our troop numbers as well.
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