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Debate: Tenth Constitutional Amendment
Topic Started: 17th January 2015 - 01:43 AM (1,072 Views)
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The following constitutional amendment, submitted by our honorable premier, DaveIronside, will be up for debate until at least 1/19/2015. Have at it.

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Constitutional Amendment Act - Tenth Amendment (2015)

An Act to amend the constitution of the Independent Order.

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(1) This Act may be referred to as the Tenth Constitutional Amendment Act (2015).

Article 1

(2) The following shall be interposed as the new section Thirty Nine (39)- "A Premier who has served two consecutive terms may not stand for election to a third."

(3) The following shall be interposed as the new section Forty (40) "A member having served two consecutive terms as Premier may seek relection once they have not held the post for a period of Forty Five (45 days)

(4) Subsequent sections of the Constitution will be renumbered accordingly.
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I think this is an interesting idea, to prevent us having uncontested premier elections, and I think we have enough members of government to sustain it. It would encourage more people to run for premier and more competitive elections.
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I agree with Thom, my one concern is what if we reach a position where there aren't any other candidates putting themselves forward that the small IO community considers as viable?

In the case where the best man (or woman) is, by far, the one who'd been premier for the last two terms, then we could potentially run into issues.
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A Premier can serve another 2 terms if there is a 45 day break, which is less than one term, so in theory we only need two viable candidates, and there are plenty more eligible people then that.
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I like this idea and I agree with Thom that it could promote a more competitive system, however James does have a good point. What would happen if we had another election like what we just had where Dave was the only nominee? What if nobody runs for premier? Then who do we elect?
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It wouldn't be too hard to add a line saying the premier is allowed to run again if there are no nominees.
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Forty five days is the equivalent of one term so if this was put in place you have a Premier for two terms max then a new one. With the current membership of the region the likelihood of no viable candidate is not that high since we have three former Premiers among the regional membership (myself, Thom and Matt).

However I do agree that we need to allow for the possibility of a Premier reaching the end of two terms and no one else wanting the job. In such a case either the Premier automatically continues in office OR the Grand Chancellor chooses from among the members of the Cabinet and Senate someone to serve as Premier.
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M...Mr Speaker...may I talk? :P
Go ahead.
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Okay so, I've discussed the idea with Dave and support the principle of it, just one issue:

The term 'seek reelection' would imply a member could not stand for election until 45 days had passed. As nominations close on day 42, it means a candidate would not be able to stand for two terms.

Thus I propose the following change:

"No member may serve as Premier for more than two (2) consecutive terms at a time, save for instances where no other member is legally nominated at the elections following the Premier's second term in office.”

And with the Act (including formatting corrections):

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Constitutional Amendment Act - Tenth Amendment (2015)

An Act to amend the Constitution of the Independent Order.

Be it enacted by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, and by the authority of the same, as follows:

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(1) This Act may be referred to as the Constitutional Amendment Act – Tenth Amendment (2015).

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(2) The following section shall be added after section (38):

"(39) No member may serve as Premier for more than two (2) consecutive terms at a time, save for instances where no other member is legally nominated at the elections following the Premier's second term in office.”

(3) Subsequent sections of the Constitution will be renumbered accordingly.
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I think the redraft from CGJ does the job, Im happy with that
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I agree I think it looks good now.
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I would make a couple changes, to make it flow better (changes in gold):

"(39) No member may serve as Premier for more than two (2) consecutive terms at any given time, save in instances where no other member is legally nominated at the elections following the sitting Premier's second consecutive term in office.”

Also, though I'm not certain it's necessary, I would propose the following addition to the above text:

"In such cases, the sitting Premier may seek reelection."
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I support your amendments, T - I'd say to stay on the safe side we should add that latter part.
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Well *cough* anyone *cough* can *cough* motion for a *cough cough* vote now...
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Go on then...I motion we put this to a vote
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Sure, whatever. Seconded.
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With four seconds, the motion carries. Moving to vote.
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