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| Debate: Tenth Constitutional Amendment | ||||
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| Topic Started: 17th January 2015 - 01:43 AM (1,072 Views) | ||||
| Tytor | 17th January 2015 - 01:43 AM Post #1 | |||
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The following constitutional amendment, submitted by our honorable premier, DaveIronside, will be up for debate until at least 1/19/2015. Have at it.
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater His Excellency Juvenal Massaquoi, President of Ubakasa, Protector of the Revolution, and Father of His People Factbook -- News -- Press Office Former Governor-General of The Infinite Alliance Former Ambassador to Albion and the Global Right Alliance Former Vice Premier and Speaker of the Senate of the Independent Order Professional Procrastinator In firm opposition to Donald Trump's inevitable reelection campaign in 2020 Non-partisan and proud of it "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire | ||||
| Major_Thom | 17th January 2015 - 01:52 AM Post #2 | |||
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I think this is an interesting idea, to prevent us having uncontested premier elections, and I think we have enough members of government to sustain it. It would encourage more people to run for premier and more competitive elections. | |||
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| James_Ed | 17th January 2015 - 02:19 AM Post #3 | |||
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I agree with Thom, my one concern is what if we reach a position where there aren't any other candidates putting themselves forward that the small IO community considers as viable? In the case where the best man (or woman) is, by far, the one who'd been premier for the last two terms, then we could potentially run into issues. |
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| Major_Thom | 17th January 2015 - 02:40 AM Post #4 | |||
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A Premier can serve another 2 terms if there is a 45 day break, which is less than one term, so in theory we only need two viable candidates, and there are plenty more eligible people then that. | |||
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| Cool101jr | 17th January 2015 - 04:17 AM Post #5 | |||
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I like this idea and I agree with Thom that it could promote a more competitive system, however James does have a good point. What would happen if we had another election like what we just had where Dave was the only nominee? What if nobody runs for premier? Then who do we elect?
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| Major_Thom | 17th January 2015 - 04:37 AM Post #6 | |||
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It wouldn't be too hard to add a line saying the premier is allowed to run again if there are no nominees. | |||
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| CGJ | 17th January 2015 - 09:01 AM Post #7 | |||
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*Whispers from behind the curtain* M...Mr Speaker...may I talk?
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| Achkaerin | 17th January 2015 - 10:08 AM Post #8 | |||
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Forty five days is the equivalent of one term so if this was put in place you have a Premier for two terms max then a new one. With the current membership of the region the likelihood of no viable candidate is not that high since we have three former Premiers among the regional membership (myself, Thom and Matt). However I do agree that we need to allow for the possibility of a Premier reaching the end of two terms and no one else wanting the job. In such a case either the Premier automatically continues in office OR the Grand Chancellor chooses from among the members of the Cabinet and Senate someone to serve as Premier. |
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| Tytor | 17th January 2015 - 05:39 PM Post #9 | |||
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Go ahead. |
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater His Excellency Juvenal Massaquoi, President of Ubakasa, Protector of the Revolution, and Father of His People Factbook -- News -- Press Office Former Governor-General of The Infinite Alliance Former Ambassador to Albion and the Global Right Alliance Former Vice Premier and Speaker of the Senate of the Independent Order Professional Procrastinator In firm opposition to Donald Trump's inevitable reelection campaign in 2020 Non-partisan and proud of it "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire | ||||
| CGJ | 17th January 2015 - 07:22 PM Post #10 | |||
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*Ahem* Thank you ![]() Okay so, I've discussed the idea with Dave and support the principle of it, just one issue: The term 'seek reelection' would imply a member could not stand for election until 45 days had passed. As nominations close on day 42, it means a candidate would not be able to stand for two terms. Thus I propose the following change: "No member may serve as Premier for more than two (2) consecutive terms at a time, save for instances where no other member is legally nominated at the elections following the Premier's second term in office.” And with the Act (including formatting corrections):
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| DaveIronside | 18th January 2015 - 07:11 PM Post #11 | |||
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I think the redraft from CGJ does the job, Im happy with that | |||
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| Achkaerin | 18th January 2015 - 07:12 PM Post #12 | |||
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Likewise | |||
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| Cool101jr | 19th January 2015 - 02:54 AM Post #13 | |||
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I agree I think it looks good now. | |||
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| Tytor | 19th January 2015 - 03:24 AM Post #14 | |||
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I would make a couple changes, to make it flow better (changes in gold): "(39) No member may serve as Premier for more than two (2) consecutive terms at any given time, save in instances where no other member is legally nominated at the elections following the sitting Premier's second consecutive term in office.” Also, though I'm not certain it's necessary, I would propose the following addition to the above text: "In such cases, the sitting Premier may seek reelection." |
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater His Excellency Juvenal Massaquoi, President of Ubakasa, Protector of the Revolution, and Father of His People Factbook -- News -- Press Office Former Governor-General of The Infinite Alliance Former Ambassador to Albion and the Global Right Alliance Former Vice Premier and Speaker of the Senate of the Independent Order Professional Procrastinator In firm opposition to Donald Trump's inevitable reelection campaign in 2020 Non-partisan and proud of it "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire | ||||
| CGJ | 19th January 2015 - 01:31 PM Post #15 | |||
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I support your amendments, T - I'd say to stay on the safe side we should add that latter part. | |||
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| DaveIronside | 21st January 2015 - 07:40 PM Post #16 | |||
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I like it....I can't think of anything else. | |||
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| CGJ | 21st January 2015 - 08:51 PM Post #17 | |||
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Well *cough* anyone *cough* can *cough* motion for a *cough cough* vote now... | |||
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| DaveIronside | 21st January 2015 - 08:52 PM Post #18 | |||
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Go on then...I motion we put this to a vote | |||
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| Tytor | 21st January 2015 - 09:05 PM Post #19 | |||
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Sure, whatever. Seconded. | |||
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater His Excellency Juvenal Massaquoi, President of Ubakasa, Protector of the Revolution, and Father of His People Factbook -- News -- Press Office Former Governor-General of The Infinite Alliance Former Ambassador to Albion and the Global Right Alliance Former Vice Premier and Speaker of the Senate of the Independent Order Professional Procrastinator In firm opposition to Donald Trump's inevitable reelection campaign in 2020 Non-partisan and proud of it "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire | ||||
| Sekkanar | 23rd January 2015 - 10:19 PM Post #20 | |||
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Seconded. | |||
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| Major_Thom | 24th January 2015 - 07:02 AM Post #21 | |||
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Seconded | |||
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| Achkaerin | 24th January 2015 - 09:51 AM Post #22 | |||
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Seconded | |||
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| Tytor | 24th January 2015 - 08:48 PM Post #23 | |||
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With four seconds, the motion carries. Moving to vote. | |||
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His Majesty Michael the First, by the Grace of God, King of Tytor and her Colonies, and Lord Protector of Floodwater His Excellency Juvenal Massaquoi, President of Ubakasa, Protector of the Revolution, and Father of His People Factbook -- News -- Press Office Former Governor-General of The Infinite Alliance Former Ambassador to Albion and the Global Right Alliance Former Vice Premier and Speaker of the Senate of the Independent Order Professional Procrastinator In firm opposition to Donald Trump's inevitable reelection campaign in 2020 Non-partisan and proud of it "A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire | ||||
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