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Map Expansion
Topic Started: 24th July 2015 - 08:39 PM (534 Views)
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Ok in light of a decision made by the Roleplay Council we will soon be operating from a new map. The new map is an expansion of the present map to take what was a partial map of Mundus and turn it into a complete map. Having talked with the President of the Roleplay Council at length what I will term a 'rolling transition' has been agreed. What this means is that with this thread we are enacting a two week long (until August 7th) application period during which users with nations presently on the map may request that their nation be relocated.

Additionally any user with a nation presently on the map that does not consist of six territories e.g Mavrosia, may apply here to take that territory count up to the six territories permitted.

The expanded map is as follows:

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Note: if you're struggling to make that out I suggest trying this link to where you can access and zoom in on the image.

Additionally for guidance may I present a guideline climate map (this is not IC canon but just to guide people) that Genstatum has also produced:

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Now obviously this cannot be a free for all with everyone seeking to relocate (if everyone did it's a safe bet me, Beatrice and CGJ would be snowed under for a while processing all the requests) so the following criteria has been developed to ensure that we aren't tearing up RP history etc.

a) The nation seeking relocation does not presently play a significant role in a geographically-based organisation, unless such a move would see the nation remain within said organisation;
b) Previous or ongoing wars have not directly involved a nation seeking relocation, including both direct participation and use of strategic location;
c) There are no other significant events in the history of the Order that have hinged on the nation seeing relocation being in their present geographical location; and:
d) The Founder is satisfied that the above conditions, and any subsequent conditions imposed at the Founder’s will are met, and the Founder assents, with the advice of the cartographer and other members of the region, to the change.

So what do each of these things mean?

Ok let's start with letter a) what we're getting at here is basically 'is your nation a member of a continental organisation such as the Pan Albion Congress, Ardian Union or Alba Karinya Organisation?' that's not an exhaustive list but you get the idea, if your nation is a member then it's a question of how involved your nation is with that organisation.

For example the Mhorish Economic Cooperative has East Moreland and others playing a significant part so relocation wouldn't be possible unless the countries involved maintained their coastlines with the Mhorish Sea. By comparison if your activity within an organisation is borderline non-existent for whatever reason then this criteria isn't so much of a sticking point.

Also this criteria does not extend to membership of the CSTO, CIS, MCUR, FSC, MTO, CSU and other organisations/treaties of that ilk. Further it does not extend to membership of the CTO- with the next round of CTO elections due on the 11th of August we want to have the first release of the new map before then so as to be able to facilitate those elections dependent on geographic region.

Letter b) is straightforward enough basically 'is there a war being raged on or likely to develop into being raged on your countries soil?' is the first question so for example a country in the position of Marseilles could not relocate because of this since to do so would require massive re-planning and effect numerous other users. Additionally this criteria could impact a nation like Nueva Ardia since Gran Cambio made it fairly clear where that country is. The knock on here of using Gran Cambio as an example is that it would also through the use of Antares effect Dijel since Antares would qualify as a strategic location.

Letter c) Basically 'is there anything else you've done or been involved in that has relied on your nations position?' for example Seaforth's blockade of the Illumic Channel or the Rokkenjiman led blockade of Zachachevania. This doesn't extend to meetings such as Dunwich, the Mundus Youth Assembly, Festival of Sail etc because they're contained within a nations borders and for the purposes of those events geographic location doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

Letter d) Is just our catch all clause since we can't presume to be capable of reading Beatrice's mind though generally if you can meet the three identified criteria you shouldn't have trouble relocating.

A final note on this before I get into how you actually apply for relocation- in the case of users with multiple nations such as Nord who has the UNP and Nya Aland this nation specific criteria would be applied to each nation separately and only if all of them could be relocated would the relocation go ahead, remember the map rules state that each user can have up to six territories (no limit on number of RP countries) but that those six countries must be reasonably located, generally this means together.

Anyone wishing to relocate should fill out the following form (for presently occupied territories since we want the codes can I ask people to check the present territory map)

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[b]Nation Name:[/b]
[b]Presently Occupied Territories:[/b]
[b]Present Continent:[/b]
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[b]Relocation Territories:[/b]
[b]New Continent:[/b]


Anyone seeking to claim additional territories (on the basis that they presently hold less than six) should just make a claim using the usual format of nation name and territories sought.

Edited by Achkaerin, 24th July 2015 - 08:43 PM.
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Could I also suggest this would maybe be time to consider reducing the size of Zimalia so as not to take up a massive chunk of quality real estate.....just a thought.
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Nation Name: Achkaerin
Presently Occupied Territories: W41, W42, W43, W40, W45, W46
Present Continent: Cotf Aranye


Relocation Territories: Y1
New Continent: Cotf Aranye

No you aren't imagining things (and this isn't an example either) I am seeking to relocate Achkaerin.

And on the Zimalia point I'd rather be asking whether it's actually worth keeping Zimalia around, though I guess we'd need to see how the Marseilles situation plays out first.
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Well there is the principality issue to then
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We could isolate Zimalia down to just the island (R 20). The size of Zimalia really isn't a role in the RPs associated with it.
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I think RP requires Zimalia to remain on the main of Alba Karinya.
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Nation Name:Supreme Sovreignty
Presently Occupied Territories:W89,W90,W92, W74,W87,W88
Present Continent:Ardia


Relocation Territories:W87 to W73
New Continent:Ardia
I'd like to relocate just the portion of my territory that occupies W87 to W73.
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Until issues relating to population density are addressed by the RP Council I would like to freeze the moving of nations for the time being. We have a couple of quite workable solutions which I feel can preserve locations while ensuring that present (or future) population density issues are no longer a concern.
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Attached is a list of all the sizes of the territories on the new map. You can use this to calculate the size of your nation on the new map. Just copy and paste the proper values into the upper left hand corner and it will tell you your total size.

If anyone notices anything that seems weird, please let me know and I'll check it out.

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(pre-emptively applying, feel free to process when freeze ends)
Nation Name: South Hills
Presently Occupied Territories: G54, G53, G52, G49, G47, G49
Present Continent: Ardia


Relocation Territories: O8, O7, W83, W82, W81, W84
New Continent: Ardia


I'm asking to be moved elsewhere on Ardia because my current density, even with expansion to 7 or 8 wouldn't be practical for a nation the size of SH (430km/2 as is - 335/km2 with G46 and G45 added which is still insaaaaeeeeeenneeee)

Moving to the above territories would keep my population (and thus history) practical at around 48 people per km2. I am staying on Ardia so Ardian entente and other contingencies can remain without any real damage to RP history.


p.s thanks Gen for doing boring math :P
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Nation Name: Vendosia
Presently Occupied Territories:R90, R89
Present Continent: Cotf Aranye


Relocation Territories: R90, R89, R88, R91, R92, R93
New Continent: Cotf Aranye
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Presently Occupied Territories: G23, G24, G25, G26, G28, G29
Present Continent: Ardia


Relocation Territories: B59, B60, B61, B62, B64, B65
New Continent: Albion

Can you move the Verovian Sea to the left of my new territories, thanks :)
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Nation Name: Nueva Ardia
Presently Occupied Territories: G3, G4, G5, R76
Present Continent: Ardia


Relocation Territories: G3, G4, G5, R76, G1, G2
New Continent: Ardia
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Nation Name: Communist Quinntopia
Presently Occupied Territories: G18, G19, G20, G21, G22, G27
Present Continent: Ardia


Relocation Territories: G18, G19, G20, G21, G22, G27
New Continent: Ardia
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If you're still accepting relocation applications:

Nation Name: GENSTATUM
Presently Occupied Territories: R65, R66, R67, R68, P35, P36
Present Continent: COTF ARANYE


Relocation Territories: O32, O33, O34, O35, O36, 037
New Continent: ARDIA




The reason for the move is the preserve my current canon of having a large open agricultural area in my nation. Being in my current location is not terribly important to any current canon of which I am aware.
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A reminder that the relocation priority stage will end on the 7th of August. So if you're on the map and want to move make sure you say so by then.
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Relocation priority period has now ended, I'm now awaiting consultation with the Chancellery to verify who is and who isn't getting relocated.
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Can I claim new territories here?

I don't have the required amount of RP posts to be on the map as of the time of this post, but I expect I will shortly, and the guide advising claiming now.

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Also, since this is a new map and there are older players here, I'll negotiate on this area if anybody especially wants it.:)
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Assuming the Carltona principle applies here, on the Founder's behalf I'd like to approve of these map changes. Let's just get this over with already.
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Ok so unless Beatrice says otherwise all relocates are considered to be approved- new map to be constructed over the weekend (when I'm back from holiday)
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No objections Ach. Carry on. ^^
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