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| Dijel | 13th October 2015 - 05:36 PM Post #1 | |||
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My Fellow Orderings, That's right, Dijel's back with his latest attempt to do something entertaining with the ICly past of our region, which has only really been touched on in most places to provide a little by way of background to date. Yet again, this is something I'd like to have a go at changing, though obviously establishing history in elaborate detail may serve as something as a barrier to entry, I believe that there is a kind of middle-ground which can be found to give a more thorough vision of Orderian history without moving to infringe upon the individuality of present and future players. With this in mind, I would like to put forwards a number of potential measures I'm going to group under the banner of 'Project History'. These could be employed in part or in full, though I've tried to learn from my previous blunders in this arena by reducing the scope and intensity of this latest Project. 1) Historical Map Making - If Ach's still up for it, I'd quite like to get some concrete borders down for various historical periods, particularly with regards to such entities as the Ardian Empire, which is the most prominent feature of our collective history to date, as well as the two World Wars which have been alluded to, plus stuff like Rhodes' Crusades, which have been mentioned in principal but never finalised. 2) Regional Historiography - While I don't want to infringe upon the freedom of players to write their own histories as they so desire, I believe a more joined-up approach may be able to produce more satisfactory results, since borders rarely seem to remain static over the centuries, and giving established nations some form of prior history, rather than just noticing each other at some point in the 2010's, could both produce an added aspect of realism and produce an added dynamic to our present-day RP. 3) Historical Events - This is a similar concept to the one from my earlier attempts, albeit far lesser in scale, more akin to Beatrice's 'Rokkenjima Stands Alone' thread from way back when. I'd see it done with historical factbook entries building capability around a certain date, which would then allow events to be hosted singularly around that period. So, anyways, if anyone's still reading this, whatdya reckon? Interesting prospect, or wildly implausible? |
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| Tytor | 13th October 2015 - 06:45 PM Post #2 | |||
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For reference, you could take a peek at the following threads (newest to oldest): World War One The Ardian Empire Ardian Empire |
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| Achkaerin | 13th October 2015 - 07:30 PM Post #3 | |||
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| Dijel | 13th October 2015 - 09:02 PM Post #4 | |||
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Thanks for finding those, Tytor, those do seem to represent limit of the mapping and common history we have at present. In addition to the Ardian Empire, though, I also seem to recall from somewhere the idea ofva competing Russian Empire-alike based around eastern Cotf Arrayne. Plus there's mine and Jeziel's Ottoman Empire-alike thing. If nothing else, I'd be interested to see a full map of mediaeval Mundus. Maybe a sign up sheet is in order...
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| USR | 14th October 2015 - 10:04 AM Post #5 | |||
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oh right, the Rus Empire. We were going to have it as a counter-balance to the Ardian empire, and a few nations in the east agreed that they were a part of it. But now that most of them are gone, and with the USR, the "successor" state, being turned into Sverige, we can probably write something new. or not. Me and Transvaal are attempting to write a shared history. More or less, sometime between the 7-11th centuries, my people raided his coastlines and cities akin to the viking raids of the frankish kingdoms and the british isles IRL. Then his nation's founder, a self described holy man, takes a ship to my nation, lives near a mountain he claims is holy, and tries to convert my people. He converts quite a few, but the pagans banish and try to kill him. he flees, then settles and eventually founds Transvaal. Then we are trying to settle the Renascence together.... I would be up with trying to figure out far northern ardian history. Though we aren't the most populous of areas on the map... |
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| Socialist Capitslists | 14th October 2015 - 10:25 AM Post #6 | |||
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Just by looking at the map it wouldn't be out of the question to have some sort of empire around west Cotf Aranya.
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| autarch | 14th October 2015 - 10:34 PM Post #7 | |||
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I'd like to have some place in this =3. Seeing as though United Mavrosia split in the 1940's-1950's, it would be possible for there to be a unified Mavrosia during the ww1 period... | |||
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| Dijel | 16th October 2015 - 09:03 PM Post #8 | |||
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I see what you mean USR - most of what was the kind of The Empire area is now just empty plots, so that one seems to be a kind of non-starter so far as this is concerned. I like what SC's thinking with having a similar counterbalance over in the west of Kotf Arrayne, though, maybe with the Krimeton Sea region being an interface with the Ardian Empire? I'm thinking maybe three or four historic 'great powers' at their zenith in the 1700-1800's time frame could work. Maybe these: Ardian Empire Great Power in Western Cotf Arrayne Twin Kingdoms in Northern Albion Fourth Power And Autarch, great you're interested. Hopefully we'll be able to cover that, plus a little more besides. |
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| Dijel | 18th October 2015 - 08:41 PM Post #9 | |||
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I'm gonna give this another cheeky punt up the top o' the list ![]() Having gone back and had a look at Thom's WW1 Thread, I'd say there seems to be a certain amount of interest in that time period, and it is one which, at least in the real world, seems to have been something of a turning point between the nineteenth century world of great powers and something a little more familiar, what with the decline of empires and whatnot. With this in mind, I'd like to propose this area receive a bit of love, starting with the creation of a historical map for The Order as of the beginning of 1914, showing the world as it was before the war started, from which we will be able to work back, to determine belligerents and causes, and forwards, covering the course and conclusion and suchlike. Any takers, or even comments? |
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| Achkaerin | 18th October 2015 - 10:44 PM Post #10 | |||
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If we're doing this then the first priority must be to establish who was involved since that will more easily lead to various possible causes. Also I can easily trawl through factbooks to establish which nations were and which were not in existence at the time in question. And finally may I suggest that if there is a power put towards the eastern end of Cotf Aranye it encompasses the north eastern area. |
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| Socialist Capitslists | 19th October 2015 - 04:23 AM Post #11 | |||
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My nations history would have existed in like 20 AD so it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that around my nation would have been where an empire would have started. | |||
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| Dijel | 19th October 2015 - 09:13 PM Post #12 | |||
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Alright, so this is pretty much gonna be our stating point for the Ardian Empire, courtesy of Tytor from the WW1 Thread, though I'd say that these borders could be shifted one way or another to accommodate for consistency with present nations on the map, plus the whole expansion thing which could raise the possibility of colonial holdings and the like. Furthermore, I'd wager that current factbook information would only take us so far, since some (like mine) don't cover this period in any real detail, if at all. If you'd be willing to spend time trawling through them all in the name of history, Ach, then I take my hat off to you, but it seems a kinda long-winded way of doing things. And SC, how established is your history around this period? Just thinking out loud here about the existence of alternative powers to the Ardian Empire, but maybe one around Transvaal and the far western end of Cotf Arrayne, one in the bit of Cotf Arrayne which Ach pointed out and one other? Not sure if these would be too spread out for the period or not. That is, of course, assuming that we're looking to follow the WW1 pattern of belligerents closely. I mean, how's about modeling it politically as a 'War of the Coalition' type thing, with an expanded Ardian Empire and her colonies/vassal states squaring off against a kind of international Entente type thing. A little out of the left field, granted, but something to consider, at least. |
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| Tytor | 20th October 2015 - 12:37 AM Post #13 | |||
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Well, Tytor definitely fought by Imperial Ardia's side in WWI. If we have that mean that Tytor was more or less a satellite state during that period, that's fine with me. And the Ardian Empire was big enough that maybe it could take a large international coalition to take her down. | |||
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| Dijel | 20th October 2015 - 07:26 AM Post #14 | |||
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That's cool. Just wondering, but was that map you drew up for 1914 based on any earlier agreement on where the Ardian Empire should be, or just kind of a guesstimate? If the latter, maybe we could push the borders out a bit to make the coalition thing work better? Or not, if only a few people're interested in joining in. | |||
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| Tytor | 20th October 2015 - 04:45 PM Post #15 | |||
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It was really sort of a "what do I think looks good?" kind of thing. If we want to hammer out the borders more officially, that's fine. We just have to remember that Imperial Ardia was essentially the Sick Man of Europe by the time the 20th century rolled around. | |||
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| Dijel | 20th October 2015 - 09:13 PM Post #16 | |||
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Yeah, that's a point - not sure how long a fragile monarchy would last in such a conflict, even with satellite states factored in, against any coalition of particular size. That could develop us a kind of causus beli, though, if an Ardian Empire facing internal strife were to pursue an 'escape forwards' type policy, a la Imperial Germany, setting up the whole powder keg situation for a crisis either between the Empire or one of its satellites and another nation with substantial international backup. | |||
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| Luvonia | 29th December 2015 - 04:48 AM Post #17 | |||
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I'm still working out my national history, so I could work it into the Ardian Empire and here's what I thought would work. Basically Luvonia was a prosperous kingdom until after one king who was pro-ardian signed a treaty that fully annexed Luvonia into the Ardian Empire without any autonomy whatsoever. Long after this before WWI pro-monarchist Luvoniasque rebel in Monescar, declare independence and then push the Ardians back to the Saint Charlette region. This new Luvonia doesn't take part in WWI. But then, after WWI, Luvonia was given the Saint Charlette region and the rest of modern day Luvonia in the treaty. Just saying if anyone's going to work this into anything. If anyone wants me to be more specific (I'm still working on it) just ask | |||
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| Gadshack | 29th December 2015 - 03:18 PM Post #18 | |||
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I wouldn't be too specific, so you're fine. Being loose with history gives many others flexibility. That said I noticed many nations have significant Asiatic influence, mostly Japanese. Toshikawa uses a shogunate japan analogue and I have in my history, room for there to have been a Toshikawan Empire. If anyone want's to use Toshi as a former empire it broke away from then use it freely. |
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| Sparta | 29th December 2015 - 07:48 PM Post #19 | |||
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The Spartan states all united to fight off the Ardian Empire in the late 18th century, forming the United Spartan States. | |||
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| Gadshack | 3rd February 2016 - 02:59 PM Post #20 | |||
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Shall we revive this? I think having combined historical and MT would be interesting. I kicked it off with this: http://independentorder.net/topic/11510694/1/#new granted it's just going back to the 80s, but I think establishing sensible modern history in the 20th century is pivotal for today's environment. Also down for ancient history. |
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| Dijel | 3rd February 2016 - 03:42 PM Post #21 | |||
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*Gasps* It lives! The twentieth century would seem like the ideal period to establish groundwork for, being directly relevant both to the regular RP and, if anyone ever fancies going down that route, some of the older stuff. Having discussed some of this stuff in the past, a fully-fledged historical RP environment is quite ambitious, probably to the point of not being viable here and now, though specific historic events, with sufficient agreement over historical roles and such, could work out. So far, we don't have much of an advance on two World Wars, concurrent with their real-life counterparts, and the collapse of the Ardian/Rus Empires. On that topic, and seeing how popular Tytor's Diplomacy ga!e seems to be, do you think we could pull off one based on a map of TIO? |
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| Gadshack | 3rd February 2016 - 03:59 PM Post #22 | |||
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I don't think we'll ever have a fully fledged historical RP, it would be constantly affecting the current world, it would have to be in a different universe. However event based I think is fine. I really don't think a successful world war rp can be made, considering how everyone for some reason sees war rp as a drag. It would just be easier to collaborate everyone on a timelines of ww1 and 2 events, but we can't even get anyone to do that ._. Edited by Gadshack, 3rd February 2016 - 04:00 PM.
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| Achkaerin | 3rd February 2016 - 06:15 PM Post #23 | |||
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Actually RPing a whole world war is going to be tricky to say the least we'd be better off doing that in a series of threads so for example a specific pivotal engagement or summit and with a lot of OOC involvement to establish what did happen before we go anywhere near RPing that. Now I do recall at some point in the distant past of a few months ago agreeing to roll out the historical maps that does still stand, the issue is more establishing which nations were independent- so for example Achkaerin was independent of the Rus Empire despite the Rus Empire border hitting the Gulf of Safraen and then which nations were 'occupied' so for example Toshikawa as part of the Ardian Empire. If that can be ironed out then we would have a starting point for WWI |
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| Dijel | 3rd February 2016 - 06:41 PM Post #24 | |||
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Yea, but establishing a starting point for WW1 is easier said than done. If we were to frame it as a straight up engagement between the Ardian Empire and the Rus Empire, with player nations being involved only on the periphery, thus accounting for various comings and goings. If we were to establish the boundaries of the respective empires first, that could serve as a starting point. | |||
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