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My Experience Wtih Trump Supporters - GadStories Ep 1
Topic Started: 5th August 2016 - 11:17 PM (677 Views)
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Yeah I'm gone, but like I said I can visit every once a while, catch is I can't participate in RP and all that blah blah.

Anyway, just having a normal, shitty day, at the convenience store standing in line and the place blows up like a barbershop with politics everywhere. Now I have never met a Trump supporter seriously, but everyone in there, even the cashiers man, literally supported the guy and kept ranting on about the "Bitch Hilary" and went on about various other subjects such as BLM, immigration and it was really reaching dangerous territory. When you're a gay brown kid in the middle of a bunch of screaming white people, some rather large dudes with tattoo's and and grumbling old lady, it can get pretty scary when someone starts referencing "beaners" and using 'Thug' as a metaphor for BLM. Somehow, I was injected into the conversation, though I just wanted to pay and leave without making eye contact lol. I was asked my stance and told the truth about me not supporting trump.... yuuuuuge mistake. The cashier was moving sooooo slow and I was literally being bombarded by shallow rhetoric and points, I didn't even try, for a moment it was like 1969 again lol(that's a joke)

I always assumed many Trump supporters were normal people and had their reasons, and I tried to not assume most were scary bigots, but after that experience of literally have like eight of them jump me, I'm not sure.... lol.

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using 'Thug' as a metaphor for BLM
but it's kinda true

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but it's kinda true

By that generalizing logic you would also agree all Muslims are terrorist
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using 'Thug' as a metaphor for BLM
but it's kinda true

By that generalizing logic you would also agree all Muslims are terrorist
so generalizing radical groups isn't okay? You're comparing a generalization of a group to a entire religion...lol.

some nazi's are ok, right?
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can i compare someone calling anonymous a bunch of 13 year old terrorists to someone saying all muslims are terrorists too now?
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You made the entire generalization off of one video though, which hardly proves your point at all. Obviously X group of people is bad because I saw a video of one of them doing something bad.
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And as a whole, despite BLMs flaws, the movement does not condone something like blocking ambulances. It's an entirely unjustified generalization when someone steals the name of a movement and misrepresents it's intention. The grounds that BLM generally supports such actions or promotes them in any way is arrogant.
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You made the entire generalization off of one video though, which hardly proves your point at all. Obviously X group of people is bad because I saw a video of one of them doing something bad.
Look at Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. This is far beyond "1 video" lol.

40 years ago, MLK made a point to make all of their demonstrations peaceful, stuff like this would be called a race Riot. Now you have people shutting down highways, blocking ambulances, beating people up for saying there trump supporters, trashing neighborhoods, etc.

I will not say the cop killings should fall on BLM, those are certainly lone wolf things boosting off the message, but many of these things are mob mentality issues that the ad-hoc leaders do little to nothing to prevent.
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You made the entire generalization off of one video though, which hardly proves your point at all. Obviously X group of people is bad because I saw a video of one of them doing something bad.
Look at Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. This is far beyond "1 video" lol.

40 years ago, MLK made a point to make all of their demonstrations peaceful, stuff like this would be called a race Riot. Now you have people shutting down highways, blocking ambulances, beating people up for saying there trump supporters, trashing neighborhoods, etc.

I will not say the cop killings should fall on BLM, those are certainly lone wolf things boosting off the message, but many of these things are mob mentality issues that the ad-hoc leaders do little to nothing to prevent.
Still you made the basis for an entire argument one video.

Peaceful demonstrations are always better, but MLK would never belittle people involved in BLM who do these things either. He, would understand their rage and promote converting the rage into a peaceful vindicator.

The issue is that too many are quick to post a video and say "see they're thugs" or point out past instances without understanding the frame of mind, motivation and state of livelyhoods that has led to such actions and tensions. As long as fingers are continuously thrown around with no insight or understanding, nothing will be accomplished.
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You made the entire generalization off of one video though, which hardly proves your point at all. Obviously X group of people is bad because I saw a video of one of them doing something bad.
Look at Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. This is far beyond "1 video" lol.

40 years ago, MLK made a point to make all of their demonstrations peaceful, stuff like this would be called a race Riot. Now you have people shutting down highways, blocking ambulances, beating people up for saying there trump supporters, trashing neighborhoods, etc.

I will not say the cop killings should fall on BLM, those are certainly lone wolf things boosting off the message, but many of these things are mob mentality issues that the ad-hoc leaders do little to nothing to prevent.
Still you made the basis for an entire argument one video.

Peaceful demonstrations are always better, but MLK would never belittle people involved in BLM who do these things either. He, would understand their rage and promote converting the rage into a peaceful vindicator.

The issue is that too many are quick to post a video and say "see they're thugs" or point out past instances without understanding the frame of mind, motivation and state of livelyhoods that has led to such actions and tensions. As long as fingers are continuously thrown around with no insight or understanding, nothing will be accomplished.
1) No, I didn't. I made it as a example of my argument.

2) "MLK would never belittle people involved in BLM who do these things either"

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So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way.

As for individually belitting, of course he would'nt, because it was his job to get them in line. You don't get people to listen to you as a ad-hoc head of a organization by belittling them. That's not his job, but it doesn't stop other people from doing it.

3) See my above. You're (vastly incorrectly) assuming 1 video is my entire argument lol. If you need proof about BLM systematically causing violence, just google it.
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On a side note, where I grew up 'Thug' was a common term for 'Black' undoubtedly, so where I'm coming from is a mixed interpretation.
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On a side note, where I grew up 'Thug' was a common term for 'Black' undoubtedly, so where I'm coming from is a mixed interpretation.
Also let me just point out some of the hypocrisy in the OP:

Your entire defense of BLM has been 'the actions of some don't justify judgement of the many', yet here you are:

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I always assumed many Trump supporters were normal people and had their reasons, and I tried to not assume most were scary bigots, but after that experience of literally have like eight of them jump me, I'm not sure.... lol.



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On a side note, where I grew up 'Thug' was a common term for 'Black' undoubtedly, so where I'm coming from is a mixed interpretation.
Also let me just point out some of the hypocrisy in the OP:

Your entire defense of BLM has been 'the actions of some don't justify judgement of the many', yet here you are:

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I always assumed many Trump supporters were normal people and had their reasons, and I tried to not assume most were scary bigots, but after that experience of literally have like eight of them jump me, I'm not sure.... lol.



lol.
It wasn't a serious OP in the first place and you engaged the debate.

No I don't think all Trump supporters are idiot-bigots but I just happened to come across a group of them and it was overwhelming.
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You made the entire generalization off of one video though, which hardly proves your point at all. Obviously X group of people is bad because I saw a video of one of them doing something bad.
Look at Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. This is far beyond "1 video" lol.

40 years ago, MLK made a point to make all of their demonstrations peaceful, stuff like this would be called a race Riot. Now you have people shutting down highways, blocking ambulances, beating people up for saying there trump supporters, trashing neighborhoods, etc.

I will not say the cop killings should fall on BLM, those are certainly lone wolf things boosting off the message, but many of these things are mob mentality issues that the ad-hoc leaders do little to nothing to prevent.
Still you made the basis for an entire argument one video.

Peaceful demonstrations are always better, but MLK would never belittle people involved in BLM who do these things either. He, would understand their rage and promote converting the rage into a peaceful vindicator.

The issue is that too many are quick to post a video and say "see they're thugs" or point out past instances without understanding the frame of mind, motivation and state of livelyhoods that has led to such actions and tensions. As long as fingers are continuously thrown around with no insight or understanding, nothing will be accomplished.
1) No, I didn't. I made it as a example of my argument.

2) "MLK would never belittle people involved in BLM who do these things either"

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So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way.

As for individually belitting, of course he would'nt, because it was his job to get them in line. You don't get people to listen to you as a ad-hoc head of a organization by belittling them. That's not his job, but it doesn't stop other people from doing it.

3) See my above. You're (vastly incorrectly) assuming 1 video is my entire argument lol. If you need proof about BLM systematically causing violence, just google it.
Ofcourse he wouldn't but if you and other people continue attacking the other side with close-minded critique it just creates more divisions.
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On a side note, where I grew up 'Thug' was a common term for 'Black' undoubtedly, so where I'm coming from is a mixed interpretation.
Also let me just point out some of the hypocrisy in the OP:

Your entire defense of BLM has been 'the actions of some don't justify judgement of the many', yet here you are:

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I always assumed many Trump supporters were normal people and had their reasons, and I tried to not assume most were scary bigots, but after that experience of literally have like eight of them jump me, I'm not sure.... lol.



lol.
It wasn't a serious OP in the first place and you engaged the debate.

No I don't think all Trump supporters are idiot-bigots but I just happened to come across a group of them and it was overwhelming.
You made a political diss thread full of assumptions then called it 'not serious'...lol.

I'm sorry the forum isn't a echo chamber full of people with the same political ideals, forgive me for challenging the grain and going against the usual liberal-bias explanation of things.

P.S walk into a gas station in Oakland wearing a trump hat and I gaurentee you'd have the same, if not worse outcome but with the roles reversed. Political polarization goes both ways.
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On a side note, where I grew up 'Thug' was a common term for 'Black' undoubtedly, so where I'm coming from is a mixed interpretation.
Also let me just point out some of the hypocrisy in the OP:

Your entire defense of BLM has been 'the actions of some don't justify judgement of the many', yet here you are:

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I always assumed many Trump supporters were normal people and had their reasons, and I tried to not assume most were scary bigots, but after that experience of literally have like eight of them jump me, I'm not sure.... lol.



lol.
It wasn't a serious OP in the first place and you engaged the debate.

No I don't think all Trump supporters are idiot-bigots but I just happened to come across a group of them and it was overwhelming.
You made a political diss thread full of assumptions then called it 'not serious'...lol.

I'm sorry the forum isn't a echo chamber full of people with the same political ideals, forgive me for challenging the grain and going against the usual liberal-bias explanation of things.

P.S walk into a gas station in Oakland wearing a trump hat and I gaurentee you'd have the same, if not worse outcome but with the roles reversed. Political polarization goes both ways.
No one attacked you for going against the grain.

But you have a bias of your own yet and prey on mine while complaining about me preying on yours. How about we simply have a difference in opinion and are debating these opinions? It seems the right to center spectrum of the BLM issue always get's offended and claims they're 'attacked' when they come across any resistance.
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On a side note, where I grew up 'Thug' was a common term for 'Black' undoubtedly, so where I'm coming from is a mixed interpretation.
Also let me just point out some of the hypocrisy in the OP:

Your entire defense of BLM has been 'the actions of some don't justify judgement of the many', yet here you are:

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I always assumed many Trump supporters were normal people and had their reasons, and I tried to not assume most were scary bigots, but after that experience of literally have like eight of them jump me, I'm not sure.... lol.



lol.
It wasn't a serious OP in the first place and you engaged the debate.

No I don't think all Trump supporters are idiot-bigots but I just happened to come across a group of them and it was overwhelming.
You made a political diss thread full of assumptions then called it 'not serious'...lol.

I'm sorry the forum isn't a echo chamber full of people with the same political ideals, forgive me for challenging the grain and going against the usual liberal-bias explanation of things.

P.S walk into a gas station in Oakland wearing a trump hat and I gaurentee you'd have the same, if not worse outcome but with the roles reversed. Political polarization goes both ways.
No one attacked you for going against the grain.

But you have a bias of your own yet and prey on mine while complaining about me preying on yours. How about we simply have a difference in opinion and are debating these opinions? It seems the right to center spectrum of the BLM issue always get's offended and claims they're 'attacked' when they come across any resistance.
I never said I was personally attacked, did I? I said you threw a "omg the thread wasn't serious!111' when I disagreed with your post.

Evidently your "lack of seriousness" in the post assumed that a liberal-leaning audience would read and just laugh along, but that wasn't what you got. That's why I joked 'forgive me for going against the grain'.
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You implied you felt attacked by being apologetic for your opinion.

And I wasn't expecting anything, so I really don't know what you're talking about. I assumed most here were on anti-BLM side and it really wasn't even a hightlight of the post when I wrote it. I mean sure I meant for it to point out the bigotry in some his supporters, sure, but I wasn't expecting applause.

Furthermore, I didn't blame you for taking the op seriously, all I said was that it was in jest and further alborated on my stance. Again for some reason you took this as some sort of attack and a shitty back pedaling to cover tracks.
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You implied you felt attacked by being apologetic for your opinion.

And I wasn't expecting anything, so I really don't know what you're talking about. I assumed most here were on anti-BLM side and it really wasn't even a hightlight of the post when I wrote it. I mean sure I meant for it to point out the bigotry in some his supporters, sure, but I wasn't expecting applause.
so your entire thread boils down to trump supporters are bigots/racists because bla bla bla are thugs when you yourself am immune from being called stupid for passing such judgement based off of the interpretation of some dudes in a gas station, aka few among many, when you vividly defend BLM as "few among many" in the same thread.

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You implied you felt attacked by being apologetic for your opinion.

And I wasn't expecting anything, so I really don't know what you're talking about. I assumed most here were on anti-BLM side and it really wasn't even a hightlight of the post when I wrote it. I mean sure I meant for it to point out the bigotry in some his supporters, sure, but I wasn't expecting applause.
so your entire thread boils down to trump supporters are bigots/racists because bla bla bla are thugs when you yourself am immune from being called stupid for passing such judgement based off of the interpretation of some dudes in a gas station, aka few among many, when you vividly defend BLM as "few among many" in the same thread.

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lol okay. Because your opinion is so legitimate, yes.

The key word was 'some' but hey, I guess since I don't agree I would be characterized as some ignorant neo-liberal BLM SJW or something.

And I'm sorry but if I'm around a group of people referencing beaners(even if to them it's just in 'jest') and using 'thug' as a questionable euphemism I'm going to interpreted that as bigoted. Yeah, I'll totally just stand by and bow like "I'm totally fine with your opinion that's suppose to be legitimate to me." I mean, this is why we have debates in the first place. But y'know, nstead of having discussion on the opinions some people would rather attack the opinions and people themselves.
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lol okay. Because your opinion is so legitimate, yes.

ruh roh here comes the usual liberal 'your argument is invalid because i say so'.
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The key word was 'some' but hey, I guess since I don't agree I would be characterized as some ignorant neo-liberal BLM SJW or something.

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And I'm sorry but if I'm around a group of people referencing beaners(even if to them it's just in 'jest') and using 'thug' as a questionable euphemism I'm going to interpreted that as bigoted. Yeah, I'll totally just stand by and bow like "I'm totally fine with your opinion that's suppose to be legitimate to me." I mean, this is why we have debates in the first place. But y'know, nstead of having discussion on the opinions some people would rather attack the opinions and people themselves.


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The point I'm indirectly alluding to, Gad, is you're placing a double standard.

Take your OP and replace "beaner" with "cracker", "Trump" with "Clinton", and "white" with "black". Then post your thread and watch as you instantly become a insensitive racist.


edit: Actually, you wouldn't even need to replace beaner with Cracker because black-brown friction.
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This is a good video on said double standard, Gad:
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Ah yes, BLM, Mexicans, etc, are the bad guys. Those poor Trump supporters are just harmless, they in no way invoked such rage.



Totally harmless, good people.

I'm just a stupid liberal kid who know's nothing about the world I guess. You're middle of road, so wise, you're opinion is always right, so good.

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But thanks for claiming I have a double standard with your infinite wisdom. If I'm not mistaken you also alluding to claiming I am racist, thanks.
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But thanks for claiming I have a double standard with your infinite wisdom. If I'm not mistaken you also alluding to claiming I am racist, thanks.
Because you do.

I never claimed all Trump supporters are angels, but I'm not the one claiming they're bad people while willingly ignoring the same shit happening on the other side of the isle.
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But thanks for claiming I have a double standard with your infinite wisdom. If I'm not mistaken you also alluding to claiming I am racist, thanks.
Because you do.

I never claimed all Trump supporters are angels, but I'm not the one claiming they're bad people while willingly ignoring the same shit happening on the other side of the isle.
You're doing the same exact thing in regards to BLM. So far you have not agrued for the other side at all and have seemed throughout this argument to demonize the entire movement of BLM and those associated. You've done nothing to understand to two isles instead of belittle one side and say the other side isn't really that bad. Hardly seems middle of road.

And I never said they were all bad people. This does back to your post backing the point that BLM are 'kinda thugs'. You, in that post, characterized an entire movement and it's people.
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But thanks for claiming I have a double standard with your infinite wisdom. If I'm not mistaken you also alluding to claiming I am racist, thanks.
Because you do.

I never claimed all Trump supporters are angels, but I'm not the one claiming they're bad people while willingly ignoring the same shit happening on the other side of the isle.
You're doing the same exact thing in regards to BLM. So far you have not agrued for the other side at all and have seemed throughout this argument to demonize the entire movement of BLM and those associated. You've done nothing to understand to two isles instead of belittle one side and say the other side isn't really that bad. Hardly seems middle of road.

And I never said they were all bad people. This does back to your post backing the point that BLM are 'kinda thugs'. You, in that post, characterized an entire movement and it's people.
I have not argued for the other side because the intent was pointing out your hypocrisy in the OP of passing judgement of all trump supporters while defending BLM, which you took the bait lol.

If you want a real discussion for the problem of police brutality against blacks(and hispanics, but it's most visible in blacks), which I agree is a thing, then by all means let's have one.
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But thanks for claiming I have a double standard with your infinite wisdom. If I'm not mistaken you also alluding to claiming I am racist, thanks.
Because you do.

I never claimed all Trump supporters are angels, but I'm not the one claiming they're bad people while willingly ignoring the same shit happening on the other side of the isle.
You're doing the same exact thing in regards to BLM. So far you have not agrued for the other side at all and have seemed throughout this argument to demonize the entire movement of BLM and those associated. You've done nothing to understand to two isles instead of belittle one side and say the other side isn't really that bad. Hardly seems middle of road.

And I never said they were all bad people. This does back to your post backing the point that BLM are 'kinda thugs'. You, in that post, characterized an entire movement and it's people.
I have not argued for the other side because the intent was pointing out your hypocrisy in the OP of passing judgement of all trump supporters while defending BLM, which you took the bait lol.

If you want a real discussion for the problem of police brutality against blacks(minorities in general, but it's most blatant in blacks), which I agree is a thing, then by all means let's have one.
My main issue was that you took the words of what someone else said, the initial 'thug' comment and justified it to entirely argue their side on their behalf, that's hardly a middle stance and makes it comes across as a blatant attack to defend their trump ideology despite you have no association. You went all in from the other side, so you appeared that way. It's okay to point out their side by to argue it to a point where you seem like your on their side becomes absolutely confusing.

Another thing you have to remember is that this is my first ever contact with any Trump supporters, and I never held ill will or assumptions of them to be entirely true and understood both can be shit, and it was an overwhelming group people bombarding me. You expect my post to really be from an objective analytical standpoint of both sides? I mean, really? Based off my personal experience and bad trump supporter stereotypes being proven before my eyes I'm suppose to take this unaffected middle stance? Really?

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Right, wall of text and stats on white/black police violence inbound.

Firstly, a few facts.


Blacks/African Americans are more likely to commit crime. than any other race. Source.

Young people are more likely to commit crime than any age group. - Don't think I need a source for this, self explanatory.

Males are more likely to commit crime than Females - also self explanatory.


Cops arent stupid, they know all 3 of these facts. If you track a majority of police shootings of blacks that make the news, most, if not all of them, the suspect/victim (depending on who you ask) doesn't just meet the black criteria. They also are young and are male.

In the same way cops are likely to pay closer attention to a teenager than a guy in his 30's, because the teenager is vastly more likely to commit a crime, the same applies to blacks vs whites, asians, etc. This is called racial profiling, Doesn't really matter if you agree with it or not, just needed to define it for this post.


Why do these shootings happen then?

Simple, mental self preservation.

A white police officer in his 40's being approached by a black male in his teens isn't going to overtly be thinking "he's black let's kill him" in his mind if he pulls the trigger. Of course not, but his mind is aware of the statistics and THAT is what may push him to pull the trigger.

This isn't racism, it's (believed) self preservation.

The "white cops are racist" standpoint doesn't add up, if it does, where is the outrage over Asians being beaten by white cops? Except it doesn't, because asians are rarely in negative police conduct because they make more money per family than whites.



So, let's get to the root issue then

Economics. It's a simple fact black families don't make as much money as other races and thus are forced into crime to make do.

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So, how do you fix?

For one, stop putting the problem on cops just being racist. That explanation doesn't add up at all, rather a statistical one does.

For two, blacks need a change in culture. Single parenthood needs to be decreased and more families need to happen. Personally, I don't care if it's mom/dad, mom/mom, or dad/dad, but it's a statistical fact that children with two parents are A) happier B) better taken care of C) less likely to commit crime and D) Better off economically as there are two adults in the houehold making ends meat.

who would institute these changes? It needs to happen on a cultural level, and start at our leaders, but in today's society pushing people on 'how to live their lives' is cultural taboo, particularly with african americans. It needs to start with the leadership of the black community and work its way down, but I'm not convinced that'le happen anytime soon.

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A tl;dr of my wall of text being BLM is irrelevant because they're protesting a symptom of black problems (Cops believing blacks are more likely to commit crime because they, well, are more likely of committing a crime as it stands right now), and not the cause of black problems in today's society (a cultural/economic problem of not enough families making not enough money).
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I don't disagree with much particularly but it's worth noting why cops are blamed so much within the black community. Cops embody the establishment and in recent modern history, the establishment have been negligent to the black community and in a sense, continues to indirectly do so. Systematically, the black community have been pressed into such a poor state through things like Jim Crow law, followed by societal attitude and ongoing discriminatory corruption. It hasn't been too long since Rodney King, and the verdict to many in the black community truly unveiled the corruption and discrimination they face.

Police attention to black communities is a result of varying logical factors, yes. However, we got here because of establishment neglect and this rage is taken out on the police. It is ignorant, yes, I believe BLM would be better suited shifting their focus further away from police violence and the benefit of the black community in general. This also again however, goes back to the establishment. Jim Crow and long time societal negligence were factors of suppressing education and thought, due to extreme discriminatory poverty.

It is indeed time for the black community to take more self-involved responsibility and realize police isn't to blame for every black issue. There are bigger things to fight and strive for. However, Black people are not oppressing themselves nor does much of this fall on their own shoulders, but a society in general that has failed.
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Reading over the former argument/debate thing I apologize. In midst of debate mode I missed things, skim-read and wasn't thorough about reading points or projecting my own. Though that's not a proper excuse for hyper-liberal douchebag bullshittery. I do realize the hypocritical stance I took, which I will try to 'redact'.

That said, I don't want to like continue it, but I believe both sides have done extreme, dumb, and hateful things. I do have a bias in believing one side is worse, but I can fully concede that the other isn't any better in terms of some of the extremity that represent it.

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