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Picking a Convention Chair
Topic Started: 19th October 2016 - 03:58 AM (263 Views)
hobbes
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Hi! Welcome to the Constitutional Convention.

Keeping this brief as it's getting late here, but firstly we need to select a convention chairperson.

That's not to say you can't post your ideas/proposals yet, of course! Feel free to post and discuss in this forum.
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As the Speaker I would be willing to fill this post
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I have no problem having SatanLord as the Chairperson.

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Speaking as someone who helps organize a conference in RL each year I'm going to suggest we don't let people post specific ideas yet, but that an agenda as it were should be drawn up- this needs to be methodical not random and sporadic. There are a lot of logistics to something like this even though we're just a website.

I have no objection to SatanLord doing this. I will also offer my help if he wants a hand constructing an agenda for the convention (and maybe some ground rules if required)
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Looks like Satanlord has it then as no one's opposing. Let's get the floorplan out with what we want here.
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I was thinking we could set an Agenda for each day.

Something like

Day 1
Forum about the old systems issues etc.

Day 2
The Governments Plans and What they want to Change

Day 3
Orderians View

Day 4
Proposals and Proposal Approval

Day 5
Voting?
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Not to put a downer on that or anything but I wouldn't so specify days for certain things - given the magnitude of what this is about that doesn't really do anything but time limit a process that should not be rushed, otherwise you risk not getting it right.

This convention boils down to three questions that need discussing and answering:

1) What system model do we want? - this needs dealing with first in broad terms.

2) What powers and responsibilities should the component bodies of the determined model have? - this should be the meat of the convention

3) How should the agreed component bodies interact with each other? - possibly the tricky part but if we get the first two parts right it shouldn't be.

Edited by Achkaerin, 22nd October 2016 - 12:05 PM.
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22nd October 2016 - 09:14 AM
I was thinking we could set an Agenda for each day.

Something like

Day 1
Forum about the old systems issues etc.

Day 2
The Governments Plans and What they want to Change

Day 3
Orderians View

Day 4
Proposals and Proposal Approval

Day 5
Voting?
With the attention span of our region we may need a bit longer than a day lol
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1 day = 6 months here :P

I think ach has the right idea. We set an agenda of points and follow that in order. I do like both proposals however.

Keep in mind however that this convention isn't necessarily a reform so issues with the current system are hardly relevant. The convention establishes something new without having to crawl through months of reform.

In order we can go:

1.) The executive regional government. Positions, roles, structure, power, etc.
2.) The legislative regional government. It's structure, power and roles.
3.) Role and structure of the Judiciary, meaning review of laws and code.
4.) Re-hash, work out kinks, review.

The leading agenda is what Hobbes campaigned off of: Steamline the government, make it work, accessible, etc.
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hobbes
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I'm kinda iffy about dedciding it one branch at a time. We could verywell end up with a completely incompatable system if the various branches of government are decided independently.

What I would suggest is @SatanLord starts multiple threads to discuss the vairous branches, and at some point we merge our consensus together into a readable piece of legisation.










3am forgive spelling.
Edited by hobbes, 24th October 2016 - 07:32 AM.
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I actually intend to just submit a suggestion constitution in full, designed to solve the problems in The Independent Order as I see them.

Don't worry about trying to guide the process via any fixed structure until we think it's time to vote on a specific document. It never works, and we really just need to get the ball rolling.
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