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Topic Started: 27th October 2016 - 01:41 PM (1,671 Views)
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27th October 2016 - 01:41 PM
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I intended to finish specific proposal language weeks ago; I never got around to it, due to business and what I'd best describe as writers block. I'm going to post what I have and outline what I envisioned for the rest.
The New Charter of The Independent Order
-Preamble
The Order of Independent Electors
The combined legislative and executive body of the Independent Order shall be the Order of Independent Electors. Membership of the Order of Independent Electors shall be made up of those who are considered active and loyal to the interests of the Independent Order.
Any nation in the Independent Order may petition for electorship in the Order of Independent Electors. The Order of Independent Electors will review this petition for no less than 72 hours, after which electors may freely cast their vote. The vote ends after either 75%+1 of electors have voted, or after 96 hours.
Electors may see their electorship revoked through resignation; through failure to log into the forums of The Independent Order for 2 months; or through impeachment by their peers, which requires a 75%+1 vote in favour.
-Any elector may submit legislation -Standard legislation discussion protocols
The Assembly Chancellor
On the first day of every month, the Electoral Magistrate will open nominations for the role of Assembly Chancellor. Any Elector may nominate themselves for the role. Nominations close after 24 hours, after which time, the Electoral Magistrate will commence the vote, which will last for 48 hours. The winner of that vote becomes the Assembly Chancellor until he or she resigns, or a new Assembly Chancellor is voted in.
The Assembly Chancellor may be impeached by a 66%+1 vote of the Electors of the Order. Any impeachment vote of the Assembly Chancellor must be coordinated by the Electoral Magistrate.
The Assembly Chancellor shall act as the speaker of the Order of Independent Electors. He or she shall be responsible for the coordination of all proposals and votes by the Order of Independent Electors during their term as Assembly Chancellor.
The Assembly Chancellor shall act as the World Assembly Delegate of The Independent Order. He or she will be responsible for bringing up all General Assembly and Security Council resolutions at vote to the Order of Independent Electors, and for the coordination of all votes by the Order of Independent Electors.
The Independent Magistrates
Upon the resignation or dismissal of a current Magistrate, the Assembly Chancellor will open nominations for the role. Any Elector may nominate themselves for the role. Nominations close after 48 hours, after which time, the Assembly Chancellor will commence the vote, which will last for 48 hours. The winner of that vote becomes the new Magistrate.
Within one week of the election of a new Assembly Chancellor, all Magistrates are required to post a report of their activities over the last month, and submit their case for review to the Order of Independent Electors as to why they should continue in their Magistrate role. A vote of 50%+1 of electors in favour after 72 hours shall see that Magistrate continue in their role; a vote that does not meet that criteria shall see the Magistrate position vacated and nominations opened for their replacement.
Any Magistrate may be impeached by a 66%+1 vote of the Electors of the Order.
Magistrates; -NS RP Magistrate (manages the RP and curates all the rules, must not be participating in the RP) (if we ever set up other RP's we'd duplicate this position for each RP) -Military Magistrate (manages the military, must follow the established military policy of the order, which would ideally be enshrined in legislation) -Electoral Magistrate (runs Assembly Chancellor elections) -Consul Magistrate (acts as MoFA equivalent) -Recruitment Magistrate (acts as recruitment and integration manager)
Measures of Constitutional Implementation
The approval of this constitution shall repeal and make obsolete the former Charter of the Independent Order; the Regional Assembly Charter, and the Charter of the Role Play Council.
The final Grand Chancellor of the Independent Order shall set a standard by which existing active members of the Independent Order will be grandfathered in as automatic members of the Order of Independent Electors.
The final Grand Chancellor of the Independent Order shall serve as the interim Assembly Chancellor of the Independent Order, until the electoral cycle is first triggered.
The regional founder of the Independent Order shall serve as the interim Electoral Magistrate of the Independent Order, until the conclusion of the first electoral cycle.
The Role Play Council shall serve as the interim institution performing the duties of the NS RP Magistrate until the position of that Magistrate is formally filled.
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27th October 2016 - 02:16 PM
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This constitution would be very different to what we have right now, and I'll explain my reasoning.
When I set up The Independent Order, I invested a lot of power in myself. I did so mostly for a few reasons. Firstly, bad experiences in other regions where I was the only person doing any work. Secondly, because I intended to be hyperactive to ensure the region could start well (i.e. I was here doing shit for up to 6 hours a day, every day, for the first 2-3 months) and ensuring that I could do as much as possible just made sense. Thirdly, most of my ambitions for The Independent Order were gameplay related, not roleplay related, and from a raider/defender standpoint, it simply made sense to give myself that kind of control for security purposes.
I intended to be in the driving seat for the region indefinitely. This is not just from a governing sense- but from an activity sense. I gave myself the ability to get essentially whatever the hell I wanted done myself, at my own keyboard. This made sense when I was in charge. I didn't see the need to try and get this changed at the end of my term either, because I saw Beatrice as being able to fill the role the same way I filled it- not just as head of government, but as the leading figure of actually getting stuff done. It didn't take long for me to see that I'd made the right choice at the time; I all but completely ceased my activity here feeling that I didn't need to be doing anything to keep this region going.
2 years have passed since then. In that time, The Independent Order has significantly changed. We are still led by one person; but that one person is not the driving force behind the region. There are many active members here, many people performing major duties that I used to personally handle myself, and many mature members capable of doing a good job here. But most people don't seem to feel they have the ability to do anything. There's a lot of government functions and important regional duties that flat out don't happen because people aren't taking initiative, or don't care.
My goals with this new constitution, by proposing that we turning the region into an outright republic, are firstly to enable anyone accepted by the community into the Order to take the initiative to get stuff done if they feel something needs to be done; and secondly, to ensure the bare basics are being done by introducing strong accountability procedures for those serving in government.
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27th October 2016 - 03:21 PM
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While I appreciate the motives I have a few issues with the current proposal.
1) I'd like to see a definition for " considered active" for The Order of Independent Electors.
2) "On the first day of every month, the Electoral Magistrate will open nominations for the role of Assembly Chancellor" We struggle to stick to deadlines with the current admin team we have at present. It is important that forums etc are put in order, a monthly turn around I think is too quick, if we consider elections usually take about a week to set up and run we're giving people just three full weeks to get things running before handing over, I'd prefer to see it two months or three months to give them a longer stint rather than potentially constant swapping.
3) I think having a non active RPer running RP wouldn't work. Our RP over the last week or so has been fast moving and even those active in it aren't aware of everything going on. For example when I used to write the fortnightly update thing for RP I often had e-mails pointing out things I'd missed and I was probably the most aware of RP happenings than anyone else in the region at the time. I don't see how we'd get anyone not active in RP to do the job and be aware of whats happening and this is my biggest concern regards to this.
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28th October 2016 - 01:52 PM
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- 27th October 2016 - 03:21 PM
While I appreciate the motives I have a few issues with the current proposal.
1) I'd like to see a definition for " considered active" for The Order of Independent Electors.
2) "On the first day of every month, the Electoral Magistrate will open nominations for the role of Assembly Chancellor" We struggle to stick to deadlines with the current admin team we have at present. It is important that forums etc are put in order, a monthly turn around I think is too quick, if we consider elections usually take about a week to set up and run we're giving people just three full weeks to get things running before handing over, I'd prefer to see it two months or three months to give them a longer stint rather than potentially constant swapping.
3) I think having a non active RPer running RP wouldn't work. Our RP over the last week or so has been fast moving and even those active in it aren't aware of everything going on. For example when I used to write the fortnightly update thing for RP I often had e-mails pointing out things I'd missed and I was probably the most aware of RP happenings than anyone else in the region at the time. I don't see how we'd get anyone not active in RP to do the job and be aware of whats happening and this is my biggest concern regards to this. For 1), Entry, Exit, and Grandfathering provisions are included in that document already. "Active and Loyal" is fluff, but also a guideline for who we want in that body, and the basis by which I wrote the Entry and Exit provisions accordingly.
2), I'm listing a month because I don't want people to take the time they have as Assembly Chancellor for granted. Same for reviewing every magistrate on a monthly basis. If you're taking on that job, fucking do it, because people not fucking doing it is the problem. If you need admin work done and you think it's taking too long to get done, come to me, and I'll do it.
3), No, we very explicitly need a non participant running it, because I've been absolutely bombarded for about 8-10 months by complaints from members that think people have been trying to bend or amend the rules of the roleplay to their own personal benefit, and are hoping that I can step in somehow. Something is massively wrong in that roleplay and putting all the power of rules and governance in the power of one non participant is, in my view, the only way to fix it and make sure it stays fixed.
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28th October 2016 - 02:05 PM
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So how do you propose that the person governing RP is aware of the things going on? I'm not aware of anyone in the region who doesn't RP who follows the RP. So your either asking someone to drop out of RP or need to find someone inactive who will become active.
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28th October 2016 - 02:18 PM
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- 28th October 2016 - 02:05 PM
So how do you propose that the person governing RP is aware of the things going on? I'm not aware of anyone in the region who doesn't RP who follows the RP. So your either asking someone to drop out of RP or need to find someone inactive who will become active. It'd literally be their job to make rulings on what's allowed and not allowed, set up events, and either make sure the map is updated or update it themselves. I'm not sure how someone could do that job without paying attention.
Yes, you're asking someone who wasn't participating to do it. That's what I did for the better part of a year. I'm cool and all, but I'm not unique.
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28th October 2016 - 02:21 PM
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So are you putting yourself up for the job? After all we need to work with what we have in the region, we can't live in hope of someone magically wandering in to fill this role, and I don't know if its a good idea. I'm not aware of any user willing to do it here. So therefore we either end up with a situation where no one is doing the job or the current set up continues.
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28th October 2016 - 02:39 PM
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-NS RP Magistrate (manages the RP and curates all the rules, must not be participating in the RP) (if we ever set up other RP's we'd duplicate this position for each RP) -Military Magistrate (manages the military, must follow the established military policy of the order, which would ideally be enshrined in legislation) -Electoral Magistrate (runs Assembly Chancellor elections) -Consul Magistrate (acts as MoFA equivalent) -Recruitment Magistrate (acts as recruitment and integration manager)
Ok so what I read from that is as follows in terms of what we at present have in terms of equivalent roles:
RPC/RP Mod MOD (or Armed Forces) Chancellery Minister of Foreign Affairs Minister of Home Affairs/Culture
Now I note the absence from this list of a Justice portfolio equivalent, I'd be interested to know why given the importance of having someone to interpret legislation is, especially in respect of the old stuff.
Also I see the sense in the proposal in terms of RP moderation, but to be honest given the implied pre-requisites for the post I'm with Dave in that I can't see it working. Simply because the people who are most actively on the forums are definitely not across all the RP happenings, especially with the recent upsurge in activity. Now yes I agree with the theory that the best person to monitor the RP is someone not involved in the RP, that would be common sense but do we have such a person in the region at present?
Bear in mind before answering that that the person whoever it is has to be respected and be active on the forums enough to do the job. And at present that person would be an RP'er. And this is why we have fail safes and counter checking- obvious example is Dave when he checks stuff, the consistency of the approach he takes when checking others is balanced by the invitation for others to check what EM has.
Ultimately this has got chicken and the egg and catch 22 written all over it (the RP point at least).
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28th October 2016 - 02:41 PM
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I think we need some sort of Chief Magistrate similar to the current Premier to give the other magistrates a direction to follow. Perhaps the Council of Independent Electors could recommend 1 or 2 people who are then voted on by all the orderites. These people would then set the direction of the government in regards to foreign policy, recruitment etc. Also not mentioned under the charter is who will be the WA Delegate personally I think this should be the Chief Magistrate or whoever. The Impeachment laws etc. would still apply for this person.
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29th October 2016 - 04:05 AM
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So are you putting yourself up for the job? After all we need to work with what we have in the region, we can't live in hope of someone magically wandering in to fill this role, and I don't know if its a good idea. I'm not aware of any user willing to do it here. So therefore we either end up with a situation where no one is doing the job or the current set up continues. I'm kinda burnt out but not enough to stop paying attention. I'd honestly do it if no one else is able to.
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29th October 2016 - 07:58 AM
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Hobbes no offence but with your current level of activity cos of your RL circumstances I think you'd struggle to do it.
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29th October 2016 - 09:03 AM
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The problem with the RP thing specifically is vesting absolute power in one person and having that position politicized.
The RPC and those in charge of RP(given governing authority officially) are being perceived(notice, this is not an accusation... presently) of bending the rules. If we're asking for an RP moderator, then it would be on the consensus that it is someone active, but then you hit the same power struggle we have with the RPC(or people think we have) -- this turns into a similar situation we had with the GC dictating the RP and being active in it(again, not accusing anyone, you don't need to defend yourself B)
Point is, you can't have one or other and our first prime mistake was politicizing RP in the first place, the RP moderator is a highly politicized position(imo) and while I think of it as a decent alternative I don't entirely agree with it as a holy grail solution.
An RP Moderator, nor the RPC will fix this. The RP Moderator will only persist the issues we have now, but in a different form. From my observation and being involved in policy pushing, this is what always happens. We slap on a new coat of paint but still end up swinging around to the same issues.
Here's a huge issue I have with the RP Mod too: They can govern the RP as they see fit to their own agenda, whether they're involved in the rp or not. The community agrees with something? Too bad. The mod doesn't like it. That goes back on Daves point, this position is dependent on know whats going on. But it will inevitably be used to ones advantage.
To be completely honest, we just need rules. Clearly defined and more strict. The region will moderate itself with a good base of rules already established. An issue we have is that our rules are highly incompatible with what we're trying to capture as far as realism and premise. We expect people to act good yet we have a pop cap at 500 million(which I admittedly took advantage of.. but I'm the responsible one...) and everyone capable of having US style economies with mega militaries. Ofcourse we're going to need mods because the rules are unbalanced and the community lacks the backbone to be self-governing under such a freeform environment. And you may argue that's why we need a mod or RPC, however I would refer you to the constant issues we have with said system outlined above. Having strong, hard rules, is the best moderator because it's truly a non-participant and objective.
And yes I know we have a text wall in the rules but most of that are guides and caps, in truth we're very freeform, which is attractive but I think it's bitten us in the ass. I hate to say that, because players like Dave have good RP going for them, and I think it's unfair.
I'm pretty sure this will be written off however and we'll proceed with the RP Mod or RPC and continue to go in circles until the RP kills itself because we spent more time figuring out how to RP rather than doing it.
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29th October 2016 - 11:25 AM
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Primary Nation
- Max population - 500 million
- GDP PC effect (smaller the pop the higher this will be)
- Six plot map claim
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- Modern Tech Military
- Military must be recorded before it can be used
- Military RP is by consent
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- Only one may have RNS Status
- A Secondary may not be an extension of the same player's primary (not a colonial outpost etc)
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If we're honest about it the RP rules have actually changed very little over time (the above table is just an at a glance) I joined back when Avakael was still GC and from then to now only three things of note have actually changed rule wise
1) The GDP thing (I know there was a directive on this) 2) Secondary Nations 3) The reinstatement of WMD's.
All of these are recorded and can be flagged by anyone.
So where do we go? Good question, given that generally speaking activity level is King it becomes obvious that activity within the RP is required for one to be across the RP and if that's the case then the short list becomes loaded with active RP'ers and even then that's taking one out of play permanently (because rotating the post while seeming like an alternative will lead to a lack of consistency)
Here's what we could do-
1) split the responsibilities of the RPC as it presently exists, put the power of rule making into the hands of everyone in the legislative and tell the RPC to focus on enforcement of the rules and maintenance of the Nuclear stuff.
2) Agree hard and fast rules right now and tell the RPC to enforce them.
Note I'm favoring the RPC as enforcers- I do so because the RPC comprises the most active people within the RP and between them they stand the best chance of being across all the RP.
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29th October 2016 - 11:45 AM
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The RPC doesn't need to enforce because the rules are already there. No one has ever really broken the set rules.
The huge issues we have come down to things not clarified by the rules. Things that are ambiguous. You can't enforce this through the way of the RPC because it's going to create friction. I'm already opposed to the idea of the RPC being enforcers. They don't need to enforce already written rules, however nor do they deserve to be the ultimate judges of how more ambiguous aspects are interpreted. Having the RPC 'enforce' clear rules in the first place is useless and unnecessary. Things should be elaborated on more, we leave things open to interpretation or 'open enforcement' by the will of the RPC because they're 100% not bias, we create this same issue, over and over.
The same can be said for an RP mod or mods
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29th October 2016 - 02:03 PM
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Coming back, general answers;
Yes, we really do need someone not participating, and go back and read why I insisted on it so you know my point of view. I imagine I wouldn't do an atrocious job of it, so I'd be happy to put myself up for the role. The main issue would be getting myself up to speed with the current rules and norms, but that's doable.
I didn't list anything judiciary wise because the specifics of how that happens doesn't really matter to me. The only times I've seen a judiciary system fail is because it got buried under an avalanche of cases but hadn't been given good laws by the legislative side of things to actually find anyone guilty, or, didn't have the ability to force a judge to sit out because of non-neutrality.
This charter draft explicitly mentions who should be the WAD, go back and read it again scrub.
This charter wouldn't require a chief executive position to "provide direction" to ministerial equivalents- the vast majority of people in NS who attempt to do that job prove completely unwilling or incapable of making the hard decisions to do things like fire shitty appointees, or even tell people that they disagree with what they're doing. Under this system, there's a fixed, regular mechanism for that review. Any elector can ask the questions that a good chief executive should be asking, and the big decisions are put to a vote.
Meritocracy, folks. It's a beautiful thing, and some of the very best and strongest and long lasting regions in NS history have simply been meritocracies with people that give a shit.
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29th October 2016 - 08:18 PM
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I'm telling you the RP Mod will encounter to same issues we have now, it will help and fix nothing.
The rest of the government is fine, I agree meritocracy is best. But we can't govern RP and include it in the government, that's exactly what we're doing. This is just complicating things.
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29th October 2016 - 09:02 PM
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Ok the solution therefore would seem to be people agreeing an objective set of rules to abide by in the RP. Simple enough we more or less have them they just need tightening up where they appear ambiguous and provided additions/amendments result from all inclusive discussion that will also be fine I think.
Now that's possible but (and if this can be satisfactorily answered we'll possibly have something) in the event of another 'He Who Must Not Be Named' scenario what are we expected to do?
Also if we went this route who are we transferring control of the Nuclear Registry to?
These are the only two major issues I can see with what Gad is suggesting.
In terms of the rest of it I would like to suggest that the specific circumstances under which a magistrate may be impeached are included, I'd also like to suggest that until a relevant piece of legislation defining military policy is passed that the function of the Military Magistrate be held by an alternative authority or we forego implementation of this until we have that legislation in place.
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30th October 2016 - 11:23 AM
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1.) in his particular he made infringements that required government action. Assuming we're clear in the canon and 'range of freedom' have we shouldn't have banana's falling from space. We don't really need an RPC for that anyway cause it's already breaking the rules in the first place. I think, if enough people are opposed to that person and they are repeatedly breaking rules, all-round consensus means they're off the map.
2.) I'm not sure. I mean outright banning them again could be the right move again considering we can't have them without huge oversight, something everyone hates. Because regulating them is too much and I don't trust anyone to be reasonable with them like any other weapon. I can think about this more, but I dunno.
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31st October 2016 - 12:52 AM
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1.) in his particular he made infringements that required government action. Assuming we're clear in the canon and 'range of freedom' have we shouldn't have banana's falling from space. We don't really need an RPC for that anyway cause it's already breaking the rules in the first place. I think, if enough people are opposed to that person and they are repeatedly breaking rules, all-round consensus means they're off the map.
2.) I'm not sure. I mean outright banning them again could be the right move again considering we can't have them without huge oversight, something everyone hates. Because regulating them is too much and I don't trust anyone to be reasonable with them like any other weapon. I can think about this more, but I dunno. I disagree with "RP mod solving nothing". You're all going back to the old TIO definition that EVERYTHING must be writen legislation and enforced as such.
RP mod decides rules. If people don't like those rules, change who the RP mod is.
You all complain about how politicizing RP has solved nothing then when we take it completely out you complain about a lack of oversight and want to keep RP politicized.
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2.) I'm not sure. I mean outright banning them again could be the right move again considering we can't have them without huge oversight, something everyone hates. Because regulating them is too much and I don't trust anyone to be reasonable with them like any other weapon. I can think about this more, but I dunno.
No regulation is needed. Just make it a simple if you can't abide common sense rules the RP mod will rectify it or remove you.
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1.) You're assuming we're going back to everything being written as legislation when that wasn't even mentioned. And Going back? That's what we do now with the RPC.
2.) Yeah, that won't be easy. RP mod is RP dictator arbitrarily interpreting rules for everyone else. There will inevitably be friction no matter who the RP Mod is and getting a new one will be even more painful. At that point we'll do more reform. Considering that the majority of people are already hostile to the idea shows you that it's a bad idea.
3.) Again, I didn't say anything about re-politicizing RP. Not when I'm advocating against the RPC and RP Mod.
4.) So there's an RPer everyone is against but the RP Mod likes, so they get free reign or are excused. I think you know what happens in that type of system, we've been through it before and an RP Mod, simply because it's you or Avakael won't be any less bias and opposing to the voices of the majority.
5.) Sure this works for the RP Mod. However, other things like enforcing off of judgements from observation of RP without being called, I don't agree with. As long as rules are abided by, the RP Mod doesn't need to get involved or enforce anything. However, what you're proposing is having the RP Mod dictate RP not specified by the rules but merely based on arbitrary view.
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Here's a little suggestion, a constitutional mod.
Why not create a regional constitution that clearly limits what the mod can do? We clearly define what actions the mod can take (e.g. ban communication from another planet) but at the same time clearly define the rights of a user(e.g. OOC free speech) and what a mod can or can not do (e.g. preventing a user's action that would hurt the mod IC). If the mod ever got out of control/went Hitler, we could evaluate the mod's actions as compared to the constitution and use the constitution as a way to decide whether or not the mod was acting within their limits.
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1) The only way for this to work without a "arbitrary RP mod" will be exactly this; legislation. Wait and see if you're not convinced. I've been right before.
2) When Avakael was GC, there was little to no friction. You're arbitrarily saying there will be based on who last held that position.
3) How would you recommend we add/enforce rules without a RP mod or a RPC type body? Either way it'd be politicized.
4) The RP moderators job would sometimes be opposing the majority. I'm honestly amazed that you're outright proposing total mob rule. It will be a total shatshow everytime a private issue needs looked into. Hell, you've historically been the one who immediately backs out when something turns into a public argument involving RP. EVERY situation will be like this if it turns into mob rule.
5) Where did I say that? I said the RP mod should be able to change the rules, just as the GC used to do with no issue. Again, you're only claiming it's a arbitrary system ripe for abuse because of who last had that position. But this won't be a issue in the new one because of how easily replacable a RP mod would be.
If you have a fix-all solution that involves the entire region doing it but somehow doesn't involve mob rule, politicizing RP, and a public mess, by all mean present it.
I will now put my RP Bookie hat on and place bets on one of two options if we hand RP enforcement over to "community" rule:
Option A: The community fragments and eventually dies as friend circles, 'cliques', and the like use their newfound influence to push motives publicly that X and Y need kicked out, etc.
Option B: The community becomes utter trash because no one here actually has the guts to lead a public charge to physically remove member X from the community unless they commit utterly bananaish crimes, Everything else will go unpunished, and people ragequit the community because something as simple as reprimanding member Y for a minor infraction will require a community consenus. Nothing will be private and all minor punishments will be the equivelant of public shaming. As a result, no one will get minor infractions, and those who probably do will be too ashamed of basically being dragged through the streets and will just leave instead of fixing their behavior. This is also a current problem of the RPC, when too many people are involved it's VERY hard to discreetly handle private issues. Under Gad's proposal it will be impossible. And before you say "Let the admins (or insert position here) discreetly handle disputes and the like that's just as good as having a RP mod lol.
Placing bets, I'd say knowing TIO it'le end with Option B. But option A may also be interesting. Both aren't ideal.
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I think our biggest problem in this debate is that everyone agrees on most of the other points made by Avakael, the issue being how RP is governed. At the moment though we've got two different systems proposed (kind of) and no consensus. This is in danger of turning simply into a discussion where both sides keep outlining their argument and criticizing the other side. If we're going to get this sorted we need to come up with some middle ground people are happy with.
I see two big areas of disagreement.
1. Should the RP Mod (or whatever) be elected.
2. What level of rule making is needed.
I think the majority of people in RP would prefer the RP to be managed by someone aware of what is going on there, I personally believe this enables them to be pro-active rather than reactive, something I feel a non-active RPer would struggle to do. I also personally think if it becomes an elected position we don't have consistency, people will begin to vote for people based on what they'll allow them to do.
Here is what I propose.
1) An RP Chief-Mod (whatever) who is the ultimate arbitrator of the RP. Consider them like a Supreme Court Justice. They can be someone not involved in RP.
2) Two RP Mods given the power to enforce the rules with a variety of sticks to beat people with when necessary. These are active Rpers considered to be in good standing in the RP community. They serve until they resign or booted by the Chief Mod. They can essentially handle things how they see fit (e.g. Someone breaks a population rule they can quietly inform them and ask for change, if non comes impose a penalty, temporary RP ban until fixed etc.). Should someone feel hard done by they appeal to the Chief Mod who then makes a ruling.
I think this is probably a compromise between the two systems and gives a way forward rather than us just re-voicing the same opinions over and over and not moving forward.
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As I have an essay due tomorrow, my mind is doing all it can to procrastinate.
Generally I oppose the suggestion brought forward by Avs. I'm not sure such radical change to the system of government is required, and the complete change in position titles, etc. will end up being rather confusing. Reading between the lines, it seems like the new form would be the Regional Assembly + Cabinet under a new branding, which doesn't really solve the issue.
What do I suggest?
If there is going to be change: - Splitting the RPC - the powers to create Roleplay Rules, directives, etc. should be absorbed by the Regional Assembly. Enforcement of RP Rules should be carried out by an elected RP Moderator (who may appoint Deputies for specific things, e.g. technology, military, etc.) - Bump up the membership requirement for the Regional Assembly (as sort of outlined by Avakael) - Chancellory to remain basically as-is - Premier to be elected by Regional Assembly, maybe with fewer ministers so the Premier must take on more direct responsibility (e.g. over home affairs, culture, etc.)
But yeah, I'm not entirely sure how necessary change is but...if you hear the people sing...
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As I have an essay due tomorrow, my mind is doing all it can to procrastinate.
Generally I oppose the suggestion brought forward by Avs. I'm not sure such radical change to the system of government is required, and the complete change in position titles, etc. will end up being rather confusing. Reading between the lines, it seems like the new form would be the Regional Assembly + Cabinet under a new branding, which doesn't really solve the issue.
What do I suggest?
If there is going to be change: - Splitting the RPC - the powers to create Roleplay Rules, directives, etc. should be absorbed by the Regional Assembly. Enforcement of RP Rules should be carried out by an elected RP Moderator (who may appoint Deputies for specific things, e.g. technology, military, etc.) - Bump up the membership requirement for the Regional Assembly (as sort of outlined by Avakael) - Chancellory to remain basically as-is - Premier to be elected by Regional Assembly, maybe with fewer ministers so the Premier must take on more direct responsibility (e.g. over home affairs, culture, etc.)
But yeah, I'm not entirely sure how necessary change is but...if you hear the people sing... Ach ran on a platform similar to this, and I ran on the 'sweeping change' platform. The vote was 12-4.
Needless to say I think sweeping change has been called for.
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As I have an essay due tomorrow, my mind is doing all it can to procrastinate.
Generally I oppose the suggestion brought forward by Avs. I'm not sure such radical change to the system of government is required, and the complete change in position titles, etc. will end up being rather confusing. Reading between the lines, it seems like the new form would be the Regional Assembly + Cabinet under a new branding, which doesn't really solve the issue.
What do I suggest?
If there is going to be change: - Splitting the RPC - the powers to create Roleplay Rules, directives, etc. should be absorbed by the Regional Assembly. Enforcement of RP Rules should be carried out by an elected RP Moderator (who may appoint Deputies for specific things, e.g. technology, military, etc.) - Bump up the membership requirement for the Regional Assembly (as sort of outlined by Avakael) - Chancellory to remain basically as-is - Premier to be elected by Regional Assembly, maybe with fewer ministers so the Premier must take on more direct responsibility (e.g. over home affairs, culture, etc.)
But yeah, I'm not entirely sure how necessary change is but...if you hear the people sing...
Ach ran on a platform similar to this, and I ran on the 'sweeping change' platform. The vote was 12-4. Needless to say I think sweeping change has been called for. Eh, I don't really care who ran on what platform. 'Tis just my 2c.
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What is being discussed is Avakael's proposal not who ran on which platform.
I will point out the slight issue behind doing with monthly terms- it's already been pointed out that we would lose a weeks worth of the month also bear in mind that not all months are equal which is why stating a fixed term in respect of number of days is better than saying a month.
Now if we have a government member in the proposed capacity in terms of RP then in my opinion you will escalate the problem because what will happen is that that position will change hands every term as people who believe themselves to be on the receiving end of the incumbent RP Mod's decisions oust them. Add in the level of inconsistency that will inevitably create and we find ourselves at a point we dare not go down, this is where Dave's point has merit.
Now the first problem with one person acting in the role of the RPC as it were is that that person has the power to both make and enforce the RP rules. Enforcing the rules we can all live with provided all the rules are recorded somewhere so people told they are breaching can in fact see for themselves that they are breaching ideally enforcement of rules is done by PM and spells out what the breach is, where you've breached it and how you've breached it - for example Aeternum's population is 835 million this breaches the maximum population cap of 500 million.
The issue is that one person having the power to make and change the RP rules allows that person (whether an RPer or not) to shape the RP world and in doing so make things easier or harder for people, I would expect at minimum notice of any impending rule changes as has always happened. But let's not kid ourselves we all know that any rule change will be disputed by anyone that it perceptually goes against which is going to lead to more lengthy OOC arguments, which is why you either check and balance the RP Mod in a manner similar to what Dave has suggested or you do as C has suggested and give the rule making authority to the Regional Assembly (or whatever it's equivalent is) because if there's going to be OOC discussion it may as well be in the form of debate with a vote at the end of it.
Note that the above presumes the existence of an RP Mod because the alternative is to quite simply write out a list of RP rules and put them under the appropriate tab.
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As I have an essay due tomorrow, my mind is doing all it can to procrastinate.
Generally I oppose the suggestion brought forward by Avs. I'm not sure such radical change to the system of government is required, and the complete change in position titles, etc. will end up being rather confusing. Reading between the lines, it seems like the new form would be the Regional Assembly + Cabinet under a new branding, which doesn't really solve the issue.
What do I suggest?
If there is going to be change: - Splitting the RPC - the powers to create Roleplay Rules, directives, etc. should be absorbed by the Regional Assembly. Enforcement of RP Rules should be carried out by an elected RP Moderator (who may appoint Deputies for specific things, e.g. technology, military, etc.) - Bump up the membership requirement for the Regional Assembly (as sort of outlined by Avakael) - Chancellory to remain basically as-is - Premier to be elected by Regional Assembly, maybe with fewer ministers so the Premier must take on more direct responsibility (e.g. over home affairs, culture, etc.)
But yeah, I'm not entirely sure how necessary change is but...if you hear the people sing...
Ach ran on a platform similar to this, and I ran on the 'sweeping change' platform. The vote was 12-4. Needless to say I think sweeping change has been called for. Needless to say those who wanted sweeping change are not here discussing anything but you and me.
And believe me I'm with you but I expected a proper revision of the system, not a entire do-over.
And sorry, but I disagree on just about most points regarding the RP Mod.
The RP Mod, should only intervene when a rule that is broken is brought to his/her attention. The RP Mod should not judge an RP by arbitrary decision making "I don't like this RP its shit" and use their god RP powers to carve out the RP the way they want and piss everyone off.
The RP Mod doesn't need extra position to check it but constitutional hard caps in it's ability while maintaining a legislative process to revise and enforce harder, less ambiguous rules.
Sparta is suggestion a similar system, so I'm not alone on this one.
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Needless to say those who wanted sweeping change are not here discussing anything but you and me.
Nor are the majority of those who wanted minor change. Such is the way of any democracy.
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I wanted a constitutional convention. If people want to propose a "proper revision of the system", they should make a new thread proposing what they want instead saying the only outcome has been this purely because that's all that's been posted.
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And sorry, but I disagree on just about most points regarding the RP Mod.
The RP Mod, should only intervene when a rule that is broken is brought to his/her attention. The RP Mod should not judge an RP by arbitrary decision making "I don't like this RP its shit" and use their god RP powers to carve out the RP the way they want and piss everyone off.
As I previously pointed out, I never said that would be the case.
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The RP Mod doesn't need extra position to check it but constitutional hard caps in it's ability while maintaining a legislative process to revise and enforce harder, less ambiguous rules.
I don't mind the legislative process defining the blanket rules, but ultimately enforcing said rules needs to come back to the RP mod. compromise
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I wanted a constitutional convention. If people want to propose a "proper revision of the system", they should make a new thread proposing what they want instead saying the only outcome has been this purely because that's all that's been posted. You are the change you seek. Don't sit here saying this isn't what you expected, make what you expected. [/i] - Quote:
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And sorry, but I disagree on just about most points regarding the RP Mod.
The RP Mod, should only intervene when a rule that is broken is brought to his/her attention. The RP Mod should not judge an RP by arbitrary decision making "I don't like this RP its shit" and use their god RP powers to carve out the RP the way they want and piss everyone off.
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The RP Mod doesn't need extra position to check it but constitutional hard caps in it's ability while maintaining a legislative process to revise and enforce harder, less ambiguous rules.
I don't mind the legislative process defining the blanket rules, but ultimately enforcing said rules needs to come back to the RP mod. compromise If we're on the page of the RP Mod not judging RP arbitrarily then I'm fine with this compromise.
Here's what I endorse, similar to what C was proposed.
- All rule making authority for the region and RP be vested in the Independent Electors, note this is just rules, not direct RP governance like the RPC.
- The RP Mod on behalf of the rules enforces them.
A sensitive matter is 'bad' RP, which I hate but I don't think can be justly determined. The RP Mod should be able to advise, but not dictate. The rest falls on the community in enabling or not a bad RPer.
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If the Electors can establish common sense non regulatory rules then i'm ok with Gad's proposal.
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This still leaves the issue, unless, I've misread on who the RP mod is in terms of active, inactive and how they are selected etc
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Just as a mention to other members, don't view this as a debate on whether we adopt Avakael's proposals or not, there is still an opportunity for anyone with an alternative idea to put forward their ideas, there is always something someone may have not considered. This is a single suggestion in what is supposed to be a Convention, as such other ideas should still be welcomed and considered so if you believe you have some better ideas then please share them as otherwise you can't complain later. At present despite the election seeing higher levels of engagement than previous ones we've seen a lack of engagement with this, I'd therefore hate to see complaints once the process is done that people don't like what the outcome is.
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Looks like a battlefield here... I want to say that I believe and I know that Avakael's proposal is the best we have as of now.
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Problem number 1 is as Dave has outlined- if the RP Mod's responsibilities are limited to enforcement of the rules then the person or persons (because we may need more than one) should be active in the RP because that increases the chances of them being across everything (in the case of more than one person this also increases). Also the specific position of the RP Mod probably needs legislation because while I think we would all expect the need to have the region vote in the RP Mod or RP Mods we should not run the risk of regular changeover in that position at election time because that will lead to people voting for who will allow what rather than who will do the best job.
Next problem is the rule making authority as in who has it? Independent Electors? Slightly problematic for the same reason as outlined above, we risk adding RP mandate to each of those positions which in turn skews any election for those positions where rather than questioning what people can bring to the specific position we consider more what RP changes they would make. Which is why investing all RP rule making authority in the legislative body which at the moment is the Regional Assembly is in my view the way to go- with appropriate safeguards of course.
Problem number 3- timing. I repeat not all months are equal so I suggest stating specific time periods in terms of number of days per term is fairer all around.
There are others but these are the major three.
Now I will happily draw up an alternative proposal to Avakael's, if people want to consider a different way of doing things.
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several things:
- having more than one RP Mod is counter-productive to an effective system with unnecessary checks and balances for an internet RP community.
- the process for electing magistrates is clear. The RP Magistrate would be chosen but I assume has an endless term until resignation or dismissal.
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Next problem is the rule making authority as in who has it? Independent Electors? Slightly problematic for the same reason as outlined above, we risk adding RP mandate to each of those positions which in turn skews any election for those positions where rather than questioning what people can bring to the specific position we consider more what RP changes they would make. Which is why investing all RP rule making authority in the legislative body which at the moment is the Regional Assembly is in my view the way to go- with appropriate safeguards of course.
The electors are a legislative body, essentially chosen from what I see as sort of a voucher system. I'm really not sure what you're saying, the same can be done to the RA just as easily with the RP focus of the region, if we're talking about focus. Heck, the RA can be rallied in a mob to incur RP change. And then you're creating more unnecessary bureaucracy and disenchantment with these suppose 'safeguards'.
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As far as RP Mod and the activity how about a compromise:
Release the rule of needing to be active or inactive in RP, let the process follow through and let the Electors choose from their best judgement. The position should just be clearly defined as: enforce the rules, give advisement, etc. If one is chosen that is inactive in RP, very well. If one is chosen that is active in RP, very well.
This doesn't require extra positions and whole bunch of other stuff.
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I apologize I haven't been ontop of this; I have about 5 exams (finally leading up to national registry) over the next month or so
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At this point if no one cares enough we only need regional officers, no legislature or a hardcore structural government.
Big issue we always have: No one gets involved in government to make it functional or useful
Big issue number two: structural systems of government are used for everything including RP
solution: every damn solution to get people involved
outcome: people don't care
it's become crystal clear the active communities priority. I think we need to stop trying to overcomplicated things and actually have a system that aligns with our regional attitude and goal. I can write something up if agreed to, if not, then okay.
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In other words, we need to adapt to what the community is doing and it's priority.
We can't keep trying to force some system, we need to take into consideration what everyone else thinks and needs, even though they may not exactly be here to voice their opinions or really care.
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Essentially I'd like a system that retained an elected premier. Then get rid of RP council in favour of two people doing the job, one senior and one to cover for loa or clash of interest.
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The easiest thing to do is simply have the Premier remain elected under the present system with the present cabinet makeup, abolish the RPC in favor of the rule making authority going to the Regional Assembly and enforcement of the rules going to two people as Dave has suggested. Build super majorities of 75% into the RA as a means to bypass the GC signature on legislation as we had under the Senate system- and also use this percentage as a threshold for changes to charter and RP rules in addition to the GC signature as was the case under the Senate system as well.
After that there's a requirement to sort out legislation in regards to the Armed Forces but that's another matter for another day.
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Okay, so I'm going to propose my revision of what encompasses the Order while trying to take everyone's input into consideration. This won't be written formally so bear with me.
There will be several Regional Magistrates: basically the same as what avakael proposed
- Roleplay Magistrate
- Defense Magistrate
- Recruitment Magistrate
- Consul Magistrate
^This will be the cabinet of the Premier, who acts as Head of Government, setting policy and solving conflicts within it. The Premier will be elected openly, and the Premier will assign an appropriate cabinet.
The Regional Assembly and RPC is dissolved, they serve no true function and everything they have 'accomplished' have been done through OOC tribulation with lackluster show of effort within the legislature.
To combat the lack of 'people empowerment' through a legislature, anyone in the region has the power to challenge/petition the government through the judiciary and question their motives if it comes to it. Through the judiciary people can petition for a review of the government for changes to positions/re-election.
This government is designed to be versatile without being too big, therefore let's use a Roleplay conflict for example:
The RP Magistrate is suspected to have ulterior motives in their judgment, the Premier can then be called as an equalizer/judge to level out the tension. If there is no confidence in the Premier, then the case moves on the judiciary to judge.
The Founder, Grand Chancellor, does not hold any obligation to get involved in the government and acts as a 'head of state'. The Grand Chancellor ensures that the region is running fine and in any event which is deemed dire, may take action. GC is an 'Overseer' essentially, but not a controller.
In addition, RP rules will be a part of the constitution, in addition to forum, chat and RMB rules, etc. Any rule changes result in a temporary public convention about that rule change organised by the judiciary.
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To note concerns about the RP Mag being super arbitrary in their interpretation of the rules, since this system likely brings in a new one every few terms.
The RP rules embedded within the constitution will be absolute, leaving little to no room for interpretation. They will strictly be caps with hard definitions for meta-gaming and power-gaming for the RP Mod to work off of. They cannot overstep their bounds outside of this.
With proper, clear rules that aren't ambiguous, there will be no room for the RP Mod to be some kind of willful dictator.
For example, a cap that naturally sidesteps any arbituary eocnomic interpretation or opinion is: keep 500 million pop cap but reduce the overall GDP cap to 10 trillion. Not only does this eliminate free reign but puts the RP on an equal playing field where less is disputed(no one can 'have it all'). This takes out the free-to-interpret guideline of 'higher pop lower GDP' vice versa. Therefore, no conflict on interpretation is to be had.
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To combat the lack of 'people empowerment' through a legislature, anyone in the region has the power to challenge/petition the government through the judiciary and question their motives if it comes to it. Through the judiciary people can petition for a review of the government for changes to positions/re-election.
This government is designed to be versatile without being too big, therefore let's use a Roleplay conflict for example:
The RP Magistrate is suspected to have ulterior motives in their judgment, the Premier can then be called as an equalizer/judge to level out the tension. If there is no confidence in the Premier, then the case moves on the judiciary to judge.
If we're trying to keep this as simple as possible then the example highlighted should surely just follow established process and go straight to the Judiciary to deal with shouldn't it? Let's just bear in mind that these magistrates are appointed by the Premier so surely the idea of the Premier judging any of that is a non starter as a conflict of interest anyway.
Also I suggest that 'temporary public convention about that rule change within the judiciary.' would probably be 'temporary public convention about that rule change organised by the judiciary.'
And we'd better put armed forces stuff as to procedure on use of them in there as well.
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To combat the lack of 'people empowerment' through a legislature, anyone in the region has the power to challenge/petition the government through the judiciary and question their motives if it comes to it. Through the judiciary people can petition for a review of the government for changes to positions/re-election.
This government is designed to be versatile without being too big, therefore let's use a Roleplay conflict for example:
The RP Magistrate is suspected to have ulterior motives in their judgment, the Premier can then be called as an equalizer/judge to level out the tension. If there is no confidence in the Premier, then the case moves on the judiciary to judge.
If we're trying to keep this as simple as possible then the example highlighted should surely just follow established process and go straight to the Judiciary to deal with shouldn't it? Let's just bear in mind that these magistrates are appointed by the Premier so surely the idea of the Premier judging any of that is a non starter as a conflict of interest anyway. Also I suggest that 'temporary public convention about that rule change within the judiciary.' would probably be 'temporary public convention about that rule change organised by the judiciary.' And we'd better put armed forces stuff as to procedure on use of them in there as well. 1.) Theory was that the Premier could keep their administration in check on constitutional grounds. However I see the reasoning behind going straight to the judiciary.
2.) Will correcto
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I'm trying to be like CGJ, hope he's proud :3
Anyway, here's what I have. It's open for scrutiny ofcourse.
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Constitution of the Independent Order ARTICLE 1: Government Structure and Roles Section 1Executive authority of the government shall be vested in the Premiership and chosen cabinet of the Premier. The Premier's Cabinet shall consist of a Magistrate of Roleplay(MP), Magistrate of the Armed Forces(MoAF), Magistrate of Recruitment(MoR) and Consul Magistrate(CM). Section 2The Magistrate of Roleplay moderates the roleplay and ensures that the rules and realism guidelines are being followed reasonably. The MP does not have the authority to arbitrarily judge roleplays, the MP must judge and regulate RPs strictly off of the outlined Roleplay rules included in this constitution. The Magistrate of the Armed Forces shall be given control over the organizational structure, training and planning of operations in the Independent Order's Armed Forces. The MAF does not have the authority to independently carry out military operations without confirmation from both the Premier and Grand Chancellor. The Magistrate of Recruitment is in charge of managing recruitment. This encompasses deploying several methods of recruitment, such as: NS Forum advertisement and Stamp Recruitment to new and refounded nations. The Consul Magistrate is in charge of foreign affairs. This encompasses managing embassies in other regions and deploying Ambassadors to accomplish diplomatic missions. The CM is also responsible for managing the Independent Order's official newspaper. Section 3The Premier and Cabinet shall serve a 65 day term. The Premier shall be chosen through an open public election. Upon a Premier's election into office, they may choose their own cabinet. The Premier must select a Vice Premier Section 4Cabinet Magistrates may choose deputies to help them with specific task, and assign Vice Magistrates. Section 5In the event of a Premier being absent for more than 2 weeks, the Vice Premier assumes executive command over the government. Section 6The Vice Premier does hold any executive authority or role in the government other than a failsafe in the event of the Premier's absence. ARTICLE 2: The Founder(Chancellery) Section 1The practical function of the Chancellery shall be ensuring the safety of the region and functionality of the government. Section 2The Chancellery cannot decide government policy and must display political neutrality. Section 3The Chancellery must retain the responsibility to host Premier elections and confirm the victor. Section 4Under the following circumstances, the Grand Chancellor is able to replace positions in government: - If the Premiership and Cabinet is breaking the constitution
- Government inactivity
- Loss in confidence in the government
These actions must be approved by public vote. ARTICLE 3: The Judiciary Section 1The Lord Chief Justice is selected by the Premier. The Lord Chief Justice's term is lifelong until resignation or untimely CTE. Section 2The Lord Chief Justice practical function is to ensure the constitution is being followed by the government and Chancellery. Section 3The Lord Chief Justice must judge purely based on the facts of the constitution before him/her. The LCJ can only intervene in matters of the region when summoned to investigate infractions upon the constitution. Article 4: Regional Rules Section 1The official Criminal Code constitutes Out of Context and Social code of conduct for members of the region. Breaking this code subjects the offender to appear before a court of peers hosted by the Lord Chief Justice. Section 2The official Rules for the Independent Order Nation Roleplay are as follows: - The Main Roleplay is strictly modern tech(MT) with no exceptions, things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate tech and post-modern tech is not allowed here.
- The world is closed, meaning it has no relation to the NationStates Universe. We use our own independently seperate world.
- Population is capped at 500 million.
- Total Gross Domestic Product(GDP) is capped at 5 trillion USD.
- You are limited to six claims on the map, to get on the map you are required 6 roleplay or factbook post.
- We are human only
The Roleplay Magistrate is obligated to strictly rule off of these rules. In addition, the following pre-defined standards must be followed and upheld: Realism is defined by everything that has been and that is. Roleplay realism derives from this definition. Realism is not possibilties, personal beliefs, concepts or theories. Meta-gaming is defined as using out-of-context(OOC) external factors to influence in-character(IC) roleplay. Using your own personal awareness of the situation and story to play in the favor of your characters and nation. This is not allowed. Power-gaming is defined as maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay. This is not allowed, every nation has pros and cons. ARTICLE 5: Member Empowerment Section 1A member of the Independent Order is defined as someone who has been registered on a forums for two weeks. Section 2Any member of the Independent Order may challenge any government position in regards to an issue, policy or ruling. These challenges are organized and observed by the judiciary. The Lord Chief Justice reserves final ruling. Section 3Any change to the constitution proposed by the government must go through a temporary public convention about that change organised by the judiciary. An open vote by majority passes or declines change to constitution. Section 4Members of the Independent Order have the right to organize, protest and petition the government. Section 5Those who are in Government, the Chancellery and Judiciary are excluded from Article 5 of the Constitution. Section 6The Government remains in servitude to the Members of the Independent Order and cannot dictate them. Section 7The Chancellery remains in servitude to the Members of the Independent Order and cannot dictate them. Section 8Members of the Independent Order reserve the following rights: - Self-determination
- Free Speech
- Right to Political Affiliation
- Free Press
This does not dictate the Roleplay Rules, or any part of the Criminal Code. Members are still upheld to standards of the roleplay and code of conduct.
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[quote=Constitution Proposal] [center][size=5][b]Constitution of the Independent Order[/b][/size][/center]
[hr] [b]ARTICLE 1[/b]: Government Structure and Roles
[u]Section 1[/u]
Executive authority of the government shall be vested in the Premiership and chosen cabinet of the Premier. The Premier's Cabinet shall consist of a Magistrate of Roleplay(MP), Magistrate of the Armed Forces(MoAF), Magistrate of Recruitment(MoR) and Consul Magistrate(CM).
[u]Section 2[/u]
The [b]Magistrate of Roleplay[/b] moderates the roleplay and ensures that the rules and realism guidelines are being followed reasonably. The MP does not have the authority to arbitrarily judge roleplays, the MP must judge and regulate RPs strictly off of the outlined Roleplay rules included in this constitution.
The [b]Magistrate of the Armed Forces[/b] shall be given control over the organizational structure, training and planning of operations in the Independent Order's Armed Forces. The MAF does not have the authority to independently carry out military operations without confirmation from both the Premier and Grand Chancellor.
The [b]Magistrate of Recruitment[/b] is in charge of managing recruitment. This encompasses deploying several methods of recruitment, such as: NS Forum advertisement and Stamp Recruitment to new and refounded nations.
The [b]Consul Magistrate[/b] is in charge of foreign affairs. This encompasses managing embassies in other regions and deploying Ambassadors to accomplish diplomatic missions. The CM is also responsible for managing the Independent Order's official newspaper.
[u]Section 3[/u]
The Premier and Cabinet shall serve a 65 day term. The Premier shall be chosen through an open public election. Upon a Premier's election into office, they may choose their own cabinet. The Premier must select a Vice Premier
[u]Section 4[/u]
Cabinet Magistrates may choose deputies to help them with specific task, and assign Vice Magistrates.
[u]Section 5[/u]
In the event of a Premier being absent for more than 2 weeks, the Vice Premier assumes executive command over the government.
[u]Section 6[/u]
The Vice Premier does hold any executive authority or role in the government other than a failsafe in the event of the Premier's absence. [hr]
[b]ARTICLE 2[/b]: The Founder(Chancellery)
[u]Section 1[/u]
The practical function of the Chancellery shall be ensuring the safety of the region and functionality of the government.
[u]Section 2[/u]
The Chancellery cannot decide government policy and must display political neutrality.
[u]Section 3[/u]
The Chancellery must retain the responsibility to host Premier elections and confirm the victor.
[u]Section 4[/u]
Under the following circumstances, the Grand Chancellor is able to replace positions in government: [list][*]If the Premiership and Cabinet is breaking the constitution [*]Government inactivity [*]Loss in confidence in the government[/list]
These actions must be approved by public vote. [hr]
[b]ARTICLE 3[/b]: The Judiciary
[u]Section 1[/u]
The Lord Chief Justice is selected by the Premier. The Lord Chief Justice's term is lifelong until resignation or untimely CTE.
[u]Section 2[/u]
The Lord Chief Justice practical function is to ensure the constitution is being followed by the government and Chancellery.
[u]Section 3[/u]
The Lord Chief Justice must judge purely based on the facts of the constitution before him/her. The LCJ can only intervene in matters of the region when summoned to investigate infractions upon the constitution. [hr]
[b]Article 4[/b]: Regional Rules
[u]Section 1[/u]
The official [url=http://independentorder.net/topic/9806092/1/]Criminal Code[/url] constitutes Out of Context and Social code of conduct for members of the region. Breaking this code subjects the offender to appear before a court of peers hosted by the Lord Chief Justice.
[u]Section 2[/u]
The official Rules for the Independent Order Nation Roleplay are as follows: [list][*]The Main Roleplay is strictly modern tech(MT) with no exceptions, things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate tech and post-modern tech is not allowed here. [*]The world is closed, meaning it has no relation to the NationStates Universe. We use our own independently seperate world. [*]Population is capped at 500 million. [*]Total Gross Domestic Product(GDP) is capped at 5 trillion USD. [*]You are limited to six claims on the map, to get on the map you are required 6 roleplay or factbook post. [*]We are human only[/list]
The Roleplay Magistrate is obligated to strictly rule off of these rules. In addition, the following pre-defined standards must be followed and upheld:
[b]Realism[/b] is defined by everything that has been and that is. Roleplay realism derives from this definition. Realism is [u]not[/u] possibilties, personal beliefs, concepts or theories.
[b]Meta-gaming[/b] is defined as using out-of-context(OOC) external factors to influence in-character(IC) roleplay. Using your own personal awareness of the situation and story to play in the favor of your characters and nation. This is [u]not[/u] allowed.
[b]Power-gaming[/b] is defined as maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay. This is [u]not[/u] allowed, every nation has pros and cons. [hr]
[b]ARTICLE 5[/b]: Member Empowerment
[u]Section 1[/u]
A member of the Independent Order is defined as someone who has been registered on a forums for two weeks.
[u]Section 2[/u]
Any member of the Independent Order may challenge any government position in regards to an issue, policy or ruling. These challenges are organized and observed by the judiciary. The Lord Chief Justice reserves final ruling.
[u]Section 3[/u]
Any change to the constitution proposed by the government must go through a temporary public convention about that change organised by the judiciary. An open vote by majority passes or declines change to constitution.
[u]Section 4[/u]
Members of the Independent Order have the right to organize, protest and petition the government.
[u]Section 5[/u]
Those who are in Government, the Chancellery and Judiciary are excluded from Article 5 of the Constitution.
[u]Section 6[/u]
The Government remains in servitude to the Members of the Independent Order and cannot dictate them.
[u]Section 7[/u]
The Chancellery remains in servitude to the Members of the Independent Order and cannot dictate them.
[u]Section 8[/u]
Members of the Independent Order reserve the following rights: [list][*]Self-determination [*]Free Speech [*]Right to Political Affiliation [*]Free Press[/list]
This does not dictate the Roleplay Rules, or any part of the Criminal Code. Members are still upheld to standards of the roleplay and code of conduct.[/quote]
Please forgive me, this is the first time I've done something this big.
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A couple of observations.
1) You seriously want to have a new convention every time someone wants to change the RP rules? Seems like a waste of time to be honest, this is why I'd keep the Regional Assembly in place, it gives a permanent place where such matters can be discussed. Added to which the discussion can be started by anyone.
2) The procedure for choosing the LCJ already exists and it is the GC who appoints the position not the Premier.
3) Article 5 is unnecessary all the provisions are accounted for in existing legislation.
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1.) Agree, I was sleepy and not thinking straight. The Regional Assembly should remain open however, no senator stuff plz.
2.) Okay, guess there's been no issues in the past.
3.) Can you point me toward that please?
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A member of the Independent Order is defined as someone who has been registered on a forums for two weeks.
This should go into article one of the proposal (don't worry I'll refine it later) to define elections and such, on the assumption that only members can vote in elections. So this would be in the wrong place.
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Any member of the Independent Order may challenge any government position in regards to an issue, policy or ruling. These challenges are organized and observed by the judiciary. The Lord Chief Justice reserves final ruling.
Covered in Judiciary Act- you've essentially outlined very simply a Judicial Inquiry but expanded who can bring them- this should be dealt with by means of an amendment to that Act.
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Again should be in Article one that deals with Government roles.
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Members of the Independent Order have the right to organize, protest and petition the government.
This is easily taken as read, but if required Article One would be where.
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Those who are in Government, the Chancellery and Judiciary are excluded from Article 5 of the Constitution.
If I'm reading this right it's a nonsense so I don't see the reason.
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The Government remains in servitude to the Members of the Independent Order and cannot dictate them.
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The Chancellery remains in servitude to the Members of the Independent Order and cannot dictate them.
Restating what is clearly established elsewhere in the proposal.
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Members of the Independent Order reserve the following rights: Self-determination Free Speech Right to Political Affiliation Free Press
All covered and enforced by the Criminal Code provisions.
Also Article 6 of Article One is clearly wrongly worded but the spirit of it doesn't make practical sense so it should go.
I'd also call a spade a spade and call the Consul Magistrate the Foreign Affairs Magistrate.
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Ok people you've heard of CGJ-ified, now I present Ach-ified.
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Constitution of the Independent Order Article One- The Chancellery(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order (2) The Grand Chancellor is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order and shall be responsible for issuing commendations to its members. (3) The paramount responsibility of the Chancellery is to ensure the safety of The Independent Order and functioning of the government. (4) The Grand Chancellor shall have the authority to appoint the Lord Chief Justice. (5) The Chancellery shall be responsible with the aid and advice of the Lord Chief Justice for running the Premier elections and other region wide votes. (6) The Chancellery shall refrain from direct involvement in regional government policy, unless consultation is initiated by the government of the day, and shall display as far as is practical political neutrality with the exception of ensuring compliance of the WA Delegate with the World Assembly Procedures Act. This section shall not prohibit a member of the Chancellery from seeking clarification on a governmental matter from a member of the cabinet or Regional Assembly (so as to ensure compliance with section 3) (7) The Chancellery is entitled by means of Writ of Nobility to induct members of the Region into the Regional Nobility and to elevate members within that Order. (8) The Chancellery may by means of Orders in Council appoint members to non governmental roles provided existing legislation is followed. This may extend to governmental roles if the government fails to follow the provisions of section 14 of this constitution within seven (7) days of the situation arising. (9) The Chancellery retains all other powers and responsibilities vested in it by existing legislation of The Independent Order. Article Two- The Cabinet(10) The Cabinet shall be led by a Premier who shall be the Head of Government of The Independent Order, the Premier shall serve for a 65 day term, renewable once. They may not serve more than two consecutive terms unless there are no nominations in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term. (11) Upon election the Premier shall appoint a cabinet consisting of the following positions:
- Vice Premier
- Minister of Foreign Affairs
- Minister of Recruitment
- Minister of the Armed Forces
- Roleplay Magistrate
(12) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy a portfolio themselves but may not occupy the position of Roleplay Magistrate. (13) Ministers are advised to appoint a deputy to take over responsibility in their absence. The Roleplay Magistrate must appoint a deputy. (14) If the Premier or any Minister fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen (14) days without making notification of a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position and the Premier shall appoint a replacement or section 8 of this document may be enforced. (15) The responsibilities of the Minister of Foreign Affairs are as follows:
- The effective and efficient running of the Ambassador Corps
- The maintenance of embassies and appointment of ambassadors to them.
- The removal and replacement of inactive ambassadors.
- Monitoring the Regions Nationstates page.
- Submitting to both the Premier and Chancellery a regular report (every sixty days) on the Ministry’s activity over the stated time period.
- The management of The Independent Order’s official newspaper.
(16) The responsibilities of the Minister of Recruitment are as follows:
- Advertising the region on the Nationstates Forum.
- Deploying methods of recruitment such as stamps to new and refounded nations.
(17) The responsibilities of the Minister of the Armed Forces are as follows:
- The maintenance of the organisational structure of the Armed Forces.
- The planning of operations of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order and the carrying out of training exercises.
- It is the responsibility of the Minister of the Armed Forces to acquire the informed consent of both the Premier and the Grand Chancellor (or their deputies if necessary) before carrying out any military operations. If both the Premier and Vice Premier or Grand Chancellor and Vice Chancellor are unavailable then an appointed representative (e.g. a cabinet minister) and the Lord Chief Justice shall be permitted to make the decision.
- The maintenance of a commendation system for members of the Armed Forces.
- With the consultation of the Premier the nomination to the Grand Chancellor of members of the Armed Forces for commendations.
(18) The responsibilities of the Roleplay Magistrate are as follows:
- The enforcement of the Roleplay rules as laid out in Article Six of this document.
- To make roleplay rulings objectively and not to their own advantage in the RP.
- To publish records of rulings they make in the appropriate Ministerial forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue.
- On matters concerning the roleplay map (e.g. validity of claims and criteria for claims , expansion of the map, map scale, impending removals, process of removal etc) the Roleplay Magistrate’s authority is subordinate to the regional cartographer’s interpretation.
- To work with the Chancellery (and those nominated by the Chancellery) to maintain the RP rewards scheme.
- To nominate to the Chancellery members of the region whose RP quality in the Magistrate’s opinion merits a reward (list of potential rewards is found in Article Six), the decision on granting the reward is that of the Grand Chancellor with advice if so desired.
(19) Any member of the Independent Order may challenge any government position in regards to an issue, policy or ruling. These challenges are organized and observed by the judiciary. The Lord Chief Justice reserves final ruling. (20) All Ministers and the Lord Chief Justice undertake to create a topic in their respective Ministries/offices a topic where they will answer questions asked by members of the region. They are expected to do so within a reasonable time frame. Article Three- The Regional Assembly(21) The Regional Assembly shall be led by a Speaker, the position of Speaker shall be for an indefinite term, the Speaker may not be the Premier, Vice Premier, member of the Cabinet, Lord Chief Justice or member of the Chancellery. (22) The Speaker shall appoint a Deputy Speaker to serve as Speaker should the Speaker go on a Leave of Absence or inactive. The Deputy Speaker cannot be the Premier, Vice Premier, Lord Chief Justice or member of the Chancellery. (23) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all members of The Independent Order. Who shall be regarded as Assembly Members. Only Assembly Members may vote on matters before the Regional Assembly. (24) The following legislation shall be permitted for debate and/or vote in the Regional Assembly:
- Alterations to the Roleplay Rules
- Amendments to the Constitution of the Independent Order
- Ratification of treaties made between the Independent Order and other Nationstates regions.
- Ratification of amendments to existing Independent Order legislation.
(25) All proposals for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to debate (in the case of ratifications unless there is a petition or point of order/law the matter may be moved immediately to vote at the Speaker’s discretion.) (26) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may submit that the matter be moved to vote, following two seconders (different to the person proposing the vote) the Speaker is required to move the matter to vote. (27) All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and simple majority shall rule except in the following circumstances:
- Amendments to the Constitution of the Independent Order and the ratification of inter-regional treaties shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor (or authorized agent) in addition to the vote result. This is to ensure compliance with section 3 of the Constitution.
- Where a proposed change to the Roleplay rules is believed to be significant (e.g. Map expansion, pop cap adjustment) a two thirds of votes cast must vote in favor of the motion for it to pass.
- Votes of no confidence in a member of the government or Chancellery shall require a two thirds majority to pass.
(28) Within the Regional Assembly there shall exist the Nuclear Appropriations Committee , it shall comprise the Roleplay Magistrate, Lord Chief Justice and a member elected by the regional membership. (the elected member shall serve indefinitely until they are removed or resign.) The responsibility of this committee shall be to consider applications for Recognized Nuclear Status within the regional RP. (see article six) Article Four- Elections(27) Elections shall be split into a nomination period of seventy two (72) hours and a voting period of forty eight (48) hours, these shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term. (28) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of Forty Five (45) days and have made a minimum of twenty (20) non spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office. (29) To stand for election as Speaker of the Regional Assembly a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty (20) days and have made a minimum of twenty (20) non spam posts on the forum. They must also post a campaign topic introducing themselves to the region and explaining why they should be Speaker. (30) To stand for election to the Appropriations Committee a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of sixty (60) days and have made a minimum of forty (40) non spam posts on the forum. They must also post a campaign topic introducing themselves to the region and explaining why they should be Speaker. (31) The Lord Chief Justice reserves the right to subject an election cycle to Judicial Inquiry if there is sufficient reason to believe that there is foul play. (32) In order to vote in an election a voter must have been a member of The Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and have made six (6) non spam posts on the forum. Article Five- The Judiciary(33) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice. (34) The responsibilities of the Lord Chief Justice shall be:
- To train Judges and Advocates.
- To investigate complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and to determine whether there should be a formal hearing or not.
- To advise the Chancellery, Cabinet and membership of The Independent Order as to forum legislation when requested.
- To comply with the JPSE Act when making judgements in cases.
- To ensure that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.
(35) The Lord Chief Justice may in circumstances where the Regional Assembly, Cabinet, Chancellery or electoral candidate acts Ultra Vires in regards to its functions or obligations, and there being no timely action from the Chancellery (within 3 days) take the following actions:
- Injunct- this delays/suspends the implementation of whatever the thing is while clarity on it is sought by means of investigation.
- Suspend- (election cycle only) this suspends an election cycle, freezing the election clock for the duration of the investigation or until the Chancellery is consulted. If during a voting period
- Initiate proceedings against a cabinet member or Assembly Member if there is clear violation of the Criminal Code or Constitution.
- If necessary advise the Regional Assembly to begin proceedings against a member of the Chancellery (exempt from timely action requirement)
(36) The powers vested in the Lord Chief Justice under section 35 are temporary under the specific circumstances stated. Article Six- Roleplay Rules(37) The official Rules for the Independent Order Nation Roleplay are as follows:
- The Main Roleplay is strictly modern tech(MT) with no exceptions, things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate tech and post-modern tech is not allowed here.
- The world is closed, meaning it has no relation to the NationStates Universe. We use our own independently seperate world.
- Population is capped at 500 million for primary nations and 50 million for secondary nations
- Total Gross Domestic Product(GDP) is capped at 5 trillion USD.
- You are limited to six claims on the map for a primary nation and three claims for a secondary.
- To get on the map you are required 6 roleplay or factbook posts for a primary and 400 for a secondary, you must also have been a member of the region for six months in the case of a secondary.
- We are human only- other species are not allowed (use the Other World forum if you want aliens).
- Chemical and Biological weapons are permitted but we ask that people bear in mind the spirit of section (38)
- Nuclear weapons are permitted but are regulated (see section 41)
(37) The Roleplay Magistrate is obligated to strictly rule off of these rules (and otherwise act in accordance with this document).
(38)Realism is defined by everything that has been and that is. Roleplay realism derives from this definition. Realism is not possibilties, personal beliefs, concepts or theories.
(39)Meta-gaming is defined as using out-of-context(OOC) external factors to influence in-character(IC) roleplay. Using your own personal awareness of the situation and story to play in the favor of your characters and nation. This is not allowed.
(40)Power-gaming is defined as maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay. This is not allowed, every nation has pros and cons.
(41) The Appropriations Committee (section 28) is responsible only for matters relating to Nuclear Weapons. This shall include the granting of such weapons, the regulations for their use and if necessary the striking of such weapons from a nations arsenal. They shall be required to obtain the following information from the applicant nation:
- The proposed arsenal
- A development history (including why these weapons were developed)
Article Seven- Miscellaneous
(42) For the purposes of this document a region wide vote is taken to mean a vote where non Assembly members can vote such as referendums.
(43) All members of the region are expected to comply with the Criminal Code of The Independent Order , the Zetaboards terms of use and the Discord Act.
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center][size=5][b]Constitution of the Independent Order[/b][/size][/center] [b] Article One- The Chancellery[/b]
(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order
(2) The Grand Chancellor is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order and shall be responsible for issuing commendations to its members.
(3) The paramount responsibility of the Chancellery is to ensure the safety of The Independent Order and functioning of the government.
(4) The Grand Chancellor shall have the authority to appoint the Lord Chief Justice.
(5) The Chancellery shall be responsible with the aid and advice of the Lord Chief Justice for running the Premier elections and other region wide votes.
(6) The Chancellery shall refrain from direct involvement in regional government policy, unless consultation is initiated by the government of the day, and shall display as far as is practical political neutrality with the exception of ensuring compliance of the WA Delegate with the World Assembly Procedures Act. This section shall not prohibit a member of the Chancellery from seeking clarification on a governmental matter from a member of the cabinet or Regional Assembly (so as to ensure compliance with section 3)
(7) The Chancellery is entitled by means of Writ of Nobility to induct members of the Region into the Regional Nobility and to elevate members within that Order.
(8) The Chancellery may by means of Orders in Council appoint members to non governmental roles provided existing legislation is followed. This may extend to governmental roles if the government fails to follow the provisions of section 14 of this constitution within seven (7) days of the situation arising.
(9) The Chancellery retains all other powers and responsibilities vested in it by existing legislation of The Independent Order.
[b]Article Two- The Cabinet[/b]
(10) The Cabinet shall be led by a Premier who shall be the Head of Government of The Independent Order, the Premier shall serve for a 65 day term, renewable once. They may not serve more than two consecutive terms unless there are no nominations in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term.
(11) Upon election the Premier shall appoint a cabinet consisting of the following positions:[list] [*] Vice Premier [*] Minister of Foreign Affairs [*] Minister of Recruitment [*] Minister of the Armed Forces [*] Roleplay Magistrate[/list]
(12) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy a portfolio themselves but may not occupy the position of Roleplay Magistrate.
(13) Ministers are advised to appoint a deputy to take over responsibility in their absence. The Roleplay Magistrate must appoint a deputy.
(14) If the Premier or any Minister fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen (14) days without making notification of a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position and the Premier shall appoint a replacement or section 8 of this document may be enforced.
(15) The responsibilities of the Minister of Foreign Affairs are as follows:[list] [*] The effective and efficient running of the Ambassador Corps [*] The maintenance of embassies and appointment of ambassadors to them. [*] The removal and replacement of inactive ambassadors. [*] Monitoring the Regions Nationstates page. [*] Submitting to both the Premier and Chancellery a regular report (every sixty days) on the Ministry’s activity over the stated time period. [*] The management of The Independent Order’s official newspaper.[/list]
(16) The responsibilities of the Minister of Recruitment are as follows:[list] [*] Advertising the region on the Nationstates Forum. [*] Deploying methods of recruitment such as stamps to new and refounded nations.[/list]
(17) The responsibilities of the Minister of the Armed Forces are as follows:[list] [*] The maintenance of the organisational structure of the Armed Forces. [*] The planning of operations of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order and the carrying out of training exercises. [*] It is the responsibility of the Minister of the Armed Forces to acquire the informed consent of both the Premier and the Grand Chancellor (or their deputies if necessary) before carrying out any military operations. If both the Premier and Vice Premier or Grand Chancellor and Vice Chancellor are unavailable then an appointed representative (e.g. a cabinet minister) and the Lord Chief Justice shall be permitted to make the decision. [*] The maintenance of a commendation system for members of the Armed Forces. [*] With the consultation of the Premier the nomination to the Grand Chancellor of members of the Armed Forces for commendations.[/list]
(18) The responsibilities of the Roleplay Magistrate are as follows:[list] [*] The enforcement of the Roleplay rules as laid out in Article Six of this document. [*] To make roleplay rulings objectively and not to their own advantage in the RP. [*] To publish records of rulings they make in the appropriate Ministerial forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue. [*] On matters concerning the roleplay map (e.g. validity of claims and criteria for claims , expansion of the map, map scale, impending removals, process of removal etc) the Roleplay Magistrate’s authority is subordinate to the regional cartographer’s interpretation. [*] To work with the Chancellery (and those nominated by the Chancellery) to maintain the RP rewards scheme. [*] To nominate to the Chancellery members of the region whose RP quality in the Magistrate’s opinion merits a reward (list of potential rewards is found in Article Six), the decision on granting the reward is that of the Grand Chancellor with advice if so desired.[/list]
(19) Any member of the Independent Order may challenge any government position in regards to an issue, policy or ruling. These challenges are organized and observed by the judiciary. The Lord Chief Justice reserves final ruling.
(20) All Ministers and the Lord Chief Justice undertake to create a topic in their respective Ministries/offices a topic where they will answer questions asked by members of the region. They are expected to do so within a reasonable time frame.
[b]Article Three- The Regional Assembly[/b]
(21) The Regional Assembly shall be led by a Speaker, the position of Speaker shall be for an indefinite term, the Speaker may not be the Premier, Vice Premier, member of the Cabinet, Lord Chief Justice or member of the Chancellery.
(22) The Speaker shall appoint a Deputy Speaker to serve as Speaker should the Speaker go on a Leave of Absence or inactive. The Deputy Speaker cannot be the Premier, Vice Premier, Lord Chief Justice or member of the Chancellery.
(23) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all members of The Independent Order. Who shall be regarded as Assembly Members. Only Assembly Members may vote on matters before the Regional Assembly.
(24) The following legislation shall be permitted for debate and/or vote in the Regional Assembly:[list] [*] Alterations to the Roleplay Rules [*] Amendments to the Constitution of the Independent Order [*] Ratification of treaties made between the Independent Order and other Nationstates regions. [*] Ratification of amendments to existing Independent Order legislation.[/list]
(25) All proposals for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to debate (in the case of ratifications unless there is a petition or point of order/law the matter may be moved immediately to vote at the Speaker’s discretion.)
(26) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may submit that the matter be moved to vote, following two seconders (different to the person proposing the vote) the Speaker is required to move the matter to vote.
(27) All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and simple majority shall rule except in the following circumstances:[list] [*] Amendments to the Constitution of the Independent Order and the ratification of inter-regional treaties shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor (or authorized agent) in addition to the vote result. This is to ensure compliance with section 3 of the Constitution. [*] Where a proposed change to the Roleplay rules is believed to be significant (e.g. Map expansion, pop cap adjustment) a two thirds of votes cast must vote in favor of the motion for it to pass. [*] Votes of no confidence in a member of the government or Chancellery shall require a two thirds majority to pass.[/list]
(28) Within the Regional Assembly there shall exist the Nuclear Appropriations Committee , it shall comprise the Roleplay Magistrate, Lord Chief Justice and a member elected by the regional membership. (the elected member shall serve indefinitely until they are removed or resign.) The responsibility of this committee shall be to consider applications for Recognized Nuclear Status within the regional RP. (see article six)
[b]Article Four- Elections[/b]
(27) Elections shall be split into a nomination period of seventy two (72) hours and a voting period of forty eight (48) hours, these shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term.
(28) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of Forty Five (45) days and have made a minimum of twenty (20) non spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office.
(29) To stand for election as Speaker of the Regional Assembly a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty (20) days and have made a minimum of twenty (20) non spam posts on the forum. They must also post a campaign topic introducing themselves to the region and explaining why they should be Speaker.
(30) To stand for election to the Appropriations Committee a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of sixty (60) days and have made a minimum of forty (40) non spam posts on the forum. They must also post a campaign topic introducing themselves to the region and explaining why they should be Speaker.
(31) The Lord Chief Justice reserves the right to subject an election cycle to Judicial Inquiry if there is sufficient reason to believe that there is foul play.
(32) In order to vote in an election a voter must have been a member of The Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and have made six (6) non spam posts on the forum.
[b]Article Five- The Judiciary[/b]
(33) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice.
(34) The responsibilities of the Lord Chief Justice shall be:[list] [*] To train Judges and Advocates. [*] To investigate complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and to determine whether there should be a formal hearing or not. [*] To advise the Chancellery, Cabinet and membership of The Independent Order as to forum legislation when requested. [*] To comply with the JPSE Act when making judgements in cases. [*] To ensure that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.[/list]
(35) The Lord Chief Justice may in circumstances where the Regional Assembly, Cabinet, Chancellery or electoral candidate acts Ultra Vires in regards to its functions or obligations, and there being no timely action from the Chancellery (within 3 days) take the following actions:[list] [*] Injunct- this delays/suspends the implementation of whatever the thing is while clarity on it is sought by means of investigation. [*] Suspend- (election cycle only) this suspends an election cycle, freezing the election clock for the duration of the investigation or until the Chancellery is consulted. If during a voting period [*] Initiate proceedings against a cabinet member or Assembly Member if there is clear violation of the Criminal Code or Constitution. [*] If necessary advise the Regional Assembly to begin proceedings against a member of the Chancellery (exempt from timely action requirement)[/list]
(36) The powers vested in the Lord Chief Justice under section 35 are temporary under the specific circumstances stated. [b] Article Six- Roleplay Rules[/b]
(37) The official Rules for the Independent Order Nation Roleplay are as follows:[list] [*] The Main Roleplay is strictly modern tech(MT) with no exceptions, things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate tech and post-modern tech is not allowed here. [*] The world is closed, meaning it has no relation to the NationStates Universe. We use our own independently seperate world. [*] Population is capped at 500 million for primary nations and 50 million for secondary nations [*] Total Gross Domestic Product(GDP) is capped at 5 trillion USD. [*] You are limited to six claims on the map for a primary nation and three claims for a secondary. [*] To get on the map you are required 6 roleplay or factbook posts for a primary and 400 for a secondary, you must also have been a member of the region for six months in the case of a secondary. [*] We are human only- other species are not allowed (use the Other World forum if you want aliens). [*] Chemical and Biological weapons are permitted but we ask that people bear in mind the spirit of section (38) [*] Nuclear weapons are permitted but are regulated (see section 41)
(37) The Roleplay Magistrate is obligated to strictly rule off of these rules (and otherwise act in accordance with this document).
(38)[b]Realism[/b] is defined by everything that has been and that is. Roleplay realism derives from this definition. Realism is [u]not[/u] possibilties, personal beliefs, concepts or theories.
(39)[b]Meta-gaming[/b] is defined as using out-of-context(OOC) external factors to influence in-character(IC) roleplay. Using your own personal awareness of the situation and story to play in the favor of your characters and nation. This is [u]not[/u] allowed.
(40)[b]Power-gaming[/b] is defined as maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay. This is [u]not[/u] allowed, every nation has pros and cons.
(41) The Appropriations Committee (section 28) is responsible [b][u]only[/b][/u] for matters relating to Nuclear Weapons. This shall include the granting of such weapons, the regulations for their use and if necessary the striking of such weapons from a nations arsenal. They shall be required to obtain the following information from the applicant nation:[list] [*] The proposed arsenal [*] A development history (including why these weapons were developed)[/list]
[b]Article Seven- Miscellaneous[/b]
(42) For the purposes of this document a region wide vote is taken to mean a vote where non Assembly members can vote such as referendums.
(43) All members of the region are expected to comply with the Criminal Code of The Independent Order , the Zetaboards terms of use and the Discord Act.[/quote]
Basically I've taken Gad's proposal, added the Regional Assembly in, expanded on the RP rules and accounted for a few problems that I can see coming up.
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Out of curiosity, what's the opposition to keeping the RP Rules separate from the Constitution?
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Out of curiosity, what's the opposition to keeping the RP Rules separate from the Constitution? Honestly I have no idea, I don't necessarily think there is- I think the suggestion is to simplify them.
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Out of curiosity, what's the opposition to keeping the RP Rules separate from the Constitution? I'm not really opposed, I just think it's much more simpler as oppose to having the rules separate. I like simplicity, not 100 different documents for every little thing. Also, the RP Magistrate is a government position, and RP is a rather large part of the region. This falls in line with having the RP Magistrate checked by the judiciary if they're overstepping their bounds. It essentially puts the RP under proper control, by the constitution.
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Gadshack's proposal is essentially what my proposal would have been if I was only pretending to try and change things.
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Just as an aside, it's suddenly occurred to me that because we've committed to having a referendum on the outcome of this we've got a potential timing problem.
Don't worry it's not that dramatic. I'm just saying even if we agreed the proposal today or within the next few days we would be having the campaigning or voting period run through the Christmas Eve - Boxing Day period. Which I'm sure most people will agree is not the best idea. So *puts Attorney General hat on* I'd like to recommend that the Grand Chancellor in compliance with the following section of the Constitutional Convention Act:
"(12) The Grand Chancelleor shall not conduct the voting period during any major international holiday."
And with a little bit of reasonableness consider that the earliest this referendum vote should happen is now in the regions of Mid January.
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So *puts Attorney General hat on* I'd like to recommend that the Grand Chancellor in compliance with the following section of the Constitutional Convention Act:
"(12) The Grand Chancelleor shall not conduct the voting period during any major international holiday."
And with a little bit of reasonableness consider that the earliest this referendum vote should happen is now in the regions of Mid January. Duly noted.
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For the sake of avoiding dramatics lets just repeal the GDP rule and keep it the same. GDP can be rolled on realism and powergaming definitions. I believe nukes can also be rolled up under realism and powergaming definitions. I really don't think we should even mention them, as it puts a spotlight on it and turns it into a gamey aspect.
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Following its Achificiation, I present to you...the CGJ'ified version of the Achificated constitution. I aimed to reduce the number of provisions from 43 to 30, and I succeeded. In the enacting legislation I would strongly recommend including a provision converting Directives and Regulations of the RPC into Acts of the Assembly. I also hasten to add that I will need to present an amended version of the Roleplay Rules (which I can probably do tomorrow) to reflect the state of the new constitution.
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Constitution of the Independent OrderWHEREAS the members of the Independent Order have, after due time and consideration, determined that there shall exist a single Constitution with supreme authority over all laws,
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:Article One: The Chancellery(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order. (2) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order. (3) The Grand Chancellor shall be responsible for:
- Ensuring the safety and stability of The Independent Order;
- Organising Premier elections and referenda, as defined by law;
- Inducting, by means of Writ, members of the region into the Regional Nobility;
- Administering the forum, the official chatroom of the region, the NationStates region, and any other official off-forum locations;
- Advising members of the executive, judiciary and legislature, where requested;
- Exercising authority arising from Order legislation, including this Constitution, where required;
- Delegating their authority, where required or defined by law.
(4) Where required, and where defined by law, the Grand Chancellor may exercise authority through Orders of the Chancellery (‘by Order’). Article Two: The Executive(5) The Premier shall be the Head of Government of the Independent Order. (6) The Premier shall be elected by all eligible members of the Independent Order for a term of 65 days. An eligible member is one who has been a member of the Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and has made six non-spam posts on the forum. (7) Elections for the Premier shall consist of a nomination period of seventy-two hours, followed by a voting period of forty-eight hours. These shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term, or following the removal of a Premier. (8) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of forty-five days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office. A Premier may not serve more than two consecutive terms, unless, at the end of their term, there are no nominations in the election, in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term. (9) The Premier shall appoint a Cabinet to serve and advise them, consisting of a Vice Premier, Attorney General and Ministers of the Order. The Premier shall be required, when appointing a Minister, to outline their duties, responsibilities and expectations. The Vice Premier and Attorney General shall, for legislative purposes, be considered Ministers. (10) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy other ministerial positions in addition to their regular duties. (11) The Premier, Vice Premier, and Ministers of the Order shall be required to provide an open topic in their respective forum to allow members to raise concerns, ask questions and propose ideas. Due regard must be given to such members, and an official response must be issued within fourteen days. (12) Where required, and where defined by law, the Premier and Ministers of the Order may exercise authority through an Order of the Executive (‘by Executive Order’). The Premier may annul Executive Orders issued by other members of the Cabinet. (13) The Premier may be removed by a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly. Article Three: The Regional Assembly(14) Legislative authority shall be vested in the Regional Assembly of the Independent Order. (15) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all eligible members of the Independent Order, as defined by law. (16) The Regional Assembly shall elect a Speaker for an indefinite term, removable by a motion of no confidence, who shall:
- Be responsible for chairing debates;
- Administer the legislative process, as defined by law;
- Exercise any authority arising from legislation;
- Not be the Premier, Vice Premier, a Minister of the Order, the Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery;
- Have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum; and
- Appoint a Deputy, who shall not be the Premier, Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery.
(17) The Regional Assembly shall be responsible for creating, amending and repealing laws, including this Constitution. All Acts or Motions for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to the Assembly floor. (18) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may motion that the matter be moved to vote. Should the motion receive two seconds, the Speaker shall move the matter to vote. All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and, for matters not otherwise listed, a simple majority shall rule. Where the vote is tied, the Speaker shall have the deciding vote. (19) All Acts of the Assembly shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent to a bill, then the Speaker shall open a new vote in the Assembly. Should the proposed Act receive the support of at least two-thirds of members, then the Act shall become law. (20) Should an Act of the Assembly seek to amend this Constitution, the Roleplay Rules of the Independent Order or the Criminal Code of the Independent Order, it shall require the support of at least two-thirds of the Assembly, and the assent of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent, the matter shall shall be determined by a referendum of all members of the Independent Order. Article Four: The Roleplay Magistrate(21) There shall be a Roleplay Magistrate responsible for the enforcement of roleplay rules. (22) The Roleplay Magistrate shall be appointed by the Premier, with the consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Roleplay Magistrate may be dismissed by the Premier, with the consent of the Assembly. (23) The Roleplay Magistrate shall:
- Appoint a Deputy Magistrate;
- Enforce the Roleplay Rules;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on matters regarding the Roleplay Rules;
- Fulfil any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Recommend awards to be issued by the Grand Chancellor to members of the Independent Order who have produced outstanding pieces of work; and
- Limit the rights of offending members by means of an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (a ‘Roleplay Order’).
(24) When enforcing the Roleplay Rules, the Roleplay Magistrate must: - :
- Act objectively and impartially, and at no point may seek to advantage their own roleplay position;
- Seek to take all reasonable steps to resolve a conflict both privately and publicly;
- Publish records of any formal rulings they make in the appropriate forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue; and
- Only issue a Roleplay Order against a member after all other reasonable steps have been taken to resolve the matter.
Article Five: The Judiciary(25) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice. (26) The Lord Chief Justice shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice of the Premier and consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Lord Chief Justice may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the Premier, or through a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly. (27) The Lord Chief Justice shall be responsible for:
- Training Judges and Advocates;
- Investigating complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and determining a reasonable action;
- Fulfilling any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Conducting judicial reviews where it is suspected that any member or institution of the government has acted ultra vires, as defined by law;
- Monitoring all elections to ensure that they are free and fair; and
- Ensuring that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.
(28) Should the Lord Chief Justice determine that a body has acted ultra vires, or that elections were not free and fair, they may issue an Order of the Judiciary (‘Judicial Order’) to remedy the matter, as defined by law. Article Six: Miscellaneous Provisions(29) The Constitution and the Criminal Code (2013) shall extend fully to all parts Independent Order, including the forum, NationStates region, official chatroom and any official off-forum locations. Additionally:
- The Zetaboards Terms of Service and Terms of Use shall be considered part of this constitution, as defined by law;
- Where reference is made in law to a previous Charter or Constitution of the Independent Order, it shall be deemed to be referring to this Constitution; and
- The Regional Assembly shall, where a matter arising in this constitution requires a definition in law, enact such legislation.
(30) If any individual in a position established by this Constitution, with the exception of members of the Regional Assembly, fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen days without posting a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position. Vacancies shall be filled:
- Where a deputy or vice exists, by said deputy or vice; or
- Where no such deputy or vice exists, or if the deputy or vice has also gone inactive, by the usual procedures specified in this Constitution and otherwise by law.
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[center][size=5][b]Constitution of the Independent Order[/b][/size][/center]
[i]WHEREAS the members of the Independent Order have, after due time and consideration, determined that there shall exist a single Constitution with supreme authority over all laws,
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:[/i]
[b]Article One: The Chancellery[/b]
(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order.
(2) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order.
(3) The Grand Chancellor shall be responsible for:[list=a] [*]Ensuring the safety and stability of The Independent Order; [*]Organising Premier elections and referenda, as defined by law; [*]Inducting, by means of Writ, members of the region into the Regional Nobility; [*]Administering the forum, the official chatroom of the region, the NationStates region, and any other official off-forum locations; [*]Advising members of the executive, judiciary and legislature, where requested; [*]Exercising authority arising from Order legislation, including this Constitution, where required; [*]Delegating their authority, where required or defined by law.[/list]
(4) Where required, and where defined by law, the Grand Chancellor may exercise authority through Orders of the Chancellery (‘by Order’).
[b]Article Two: The Executive[/b]
(5) The Premier shall be the Head of Government of the Independent Order.
(6) The Premier shall be elected by all eligible members of the Independent Order for a term of 65 days. An eligible member is one who has been a member of the Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and has made six non-spam posts on the forum.
(7) Elections for the Premier shall consist of a nomination period of seventy-two hours, followed by a voting period of forty-eight hours. These shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term, or following the removal of a Premier.
(8) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of forty-five days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office. A Premier may not serve more than two consecutive terms, unless, at the end of their term, there are no nominations in the election, in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term.
(9) The Premier shall appoint a Cabinet to serve and advise them, consisting of a Vice Premier, Attorney General and Ministers of the Order. The Premier shall be required, when appointing a Minister, to outline their duties, responsibilities and expectations. The Vice Premier and Attorney General shall, for legislative purposes, be considered Ministers.
(10) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy other ministerial positions in addition to their regular duties.
(11) The Premier, Vice Premier, and Ministers of the Order shall be required to provide an open topic in their respective forum to allow members to raise concerns, ask questions and propose ideas. Due regard must be given to such members, and an official response must be issued within fourteen days.
(12) Where required, and where defined by law, the Premier and Ministers of the Order may exercise authority through an Order of the Executive (‘by Executive Order’). The Premier may annul Executive Orders issued by other members of the Cabinet.
(13) The Premier may be removed by a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly.
[b]Article Three: The Regional Assembly[/b]
(14) Legislative authority shall be vested in the Regional Assembly of the Independent Order.
(15) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all eligible members of the Independent Order, as defined by law.
(16) The Regional Assembly shall elect a Speaker for an indefinite term, removable by a motion of no confidence, who shall:[list=a] [*]Be responsible for chairing debates; [*]Administer the legislative process, as defined by law; [*]Exercise any authority arising from legislation; [*]Not be the Premier, Vice Premier, a Minister of the Order, the Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery; [*]Have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum; and [*]Appoint a Deputy, who shall not be the Premier, Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery.[/list]
(17) The Regional Assembly shall be responsible for creating, amending and repealing laws, including this Constitution. All Acts or Motions for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to the Assembly floor.
(18) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may motion that the matter be moved to vote. Should the motion receive two seconds, the Speaker shall move the matter to vote. All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and, for matters not otherwise listed, a simple majority shall rule. Where the vote is tied, the Speaker shall have the deciding vote.
(19) All Acts of the Assembly shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent to a bill, then the Speaker shall open a new vote in the Assembly. Should the proposed Act receive the support of at least two-thirds of members, then the Act shall become law.
(20) Should an Act of the Assembly seek to amend this Constitution, the Roleplay Rules of the Independent Order or the Criminal Code of the Independent Order, it shall require the support of at least two-thirds of the Assembly, and the assent of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent, the matter shall shall be determined by a referendum of all members of the Independent Order.
[b]Article Four: The Roleplay Magistrate[/b]
(21) There shall be a Roleplay Magistrate responsible for the enforcement of roleplay rules.
(22) The Roleplay Magistrate shall be appointed by the Premier, with the consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Roleplay Magistrate may be dismissed by the Premier, with the consent of the Assembly.
(23) The Roleplay Magistrate shall:[list] [*]Appoint a Deputy Magistrate; [*]Enforce the Roleplay Rules; [*]Advise the Regional Assembly on matters regarding the Roleplay Rules; [*]Fulfil any responsibilities arising from legislation; [*]Recommend awards to be issued by the Grand Chancellor to members of the Independent Order who have produced outstanding pieces of work; and [*]Limit the rights of offending members by means of an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (a ‘Roleplay Order’).[/list]
(24) When enforcing the Roleplay Rules, the Roleplay Magistrate must:[list=a]: [*]Act objectively and impartially, and at no point may seek to advantage their own roleplay position; [*]Seek to take all reasonable steps to resolve a conflict both privately and publicly; [*]Publish records of any formal rulings they make in the appropriate forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue; and [*]Only issue a Roleplay Order against a member after all other reasonable steps have been taken to resolve the matter.[/list]
[b]Article Five: The Judiciary[/b]
(25) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice.
(26) The Lord Chief Justice shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice of the Premier and consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Lord Chief Justice may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the Premier, or through a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly.
(27) The Lord Chief Justice shall be responsible for:[list=a] [*]Training Judges and Advocates; [*]Investigating complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and determining a reasonable action; [*]Fulfilling any responsibilities arising from legislation; [*]Conducting judicial reviews where it is suspected that any member or institution of the government has acted ultra vires, as defined by law; [*]Monitoring all elections to ensure that they are free and fair; and [*]Ensuring that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.[/list]
(28) Should the Lord Chief Justice determine that a body has acted ultra vires, or that elections were not free and fair, they may issue an Order of the Judiciary (‘Judicial Order’) to remedy the matter, as defined by law.
[b]Article Six: Miscellaneous Provisions[/b]
(29) The Constitution and the Criminal Code (2013) shall extend fully to all parts Independent Order, including the forum, NationStates region, official chatroom and any official off-forum locations. Additionally: [list=a] [*]The Zetaboards Terms of Service and Terms of Use shall be considered part of this constitution, as defined by law; [*]Where reference is made in law to a previous Charter or Constitution of the Independent Order, it shall be deemed to be referring to this Constitution; and [*]The Regional Assembly shall, where a matter arising in this constitution requires a definition in law, enact such legislation.[/list]
(30) If any individual in a position established by this Constitution, with the exception of members of the Regional Assembly, fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen days without posting a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position. Vacancies shall be filled:[list=a] [*]Where a deputy or vice exists, by said deputy or vice; or [*]Where no such deputy or vice exists, or if the deputy or vice has also gone inactive, by the usual procedures specified in this Constitution and otherwise by law.[/list][/quote]
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Coauthor of the Order's most viewed vignette series: Beaxander, as well as BeaXtra, 50 Shades of Chalk and Beaxotica.
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22nd December 2016 - 04:37 AM
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22nd December 2016 - 06:05 PM
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Following some consultations with Ach, I've made a few amendments to abolish the AG, change the dismissal system for the LCJ and change the appointment process for the RP Magistrate.
In addition, in accordance with section 29(c): 'The Regional Assembly shall, where a matter arising in this constitution requires a definition in law, enact such legislation if necessary for the stable operation the constitution.' The relevant texts: - 3b: Organising Premier elections and referenda, as defined by law Already covered by existing legislation – though this should be reviewed. - 3g: Delegating their authority, where required or defined by law. No legislation required - 4: Where required, and where defined by law, the Grand Chancellor may exercise authority through Orders of the Chancellery (‘by Order’). No legislation required - 12: Where required, and where defined by law, the Premier and Ministers of the Order may exercise authority through an Order of the Executive (‘by Executive Order’). The Premier may annul Executive Orders issued by other members of the Cabinet. Legislation required - 15: The Regional Assembly shall be open to all eligible members of the Independent Order, as defined by law. Legislation required – unless 'eligible members' should be determined in the Misc section of the constitution and be the same for Premier elections - 16b: Administer the legislative process, as defined by law No legislation required, defined by constitution and convention - 27e: Conducting judicial reviews where it is suspected that any member or institution of the government has acted ultra vires, as defined by law; Ach? - 27f: Hearing appeals from the Roleplay Magistrate on matters regarding Regional Roleplay, as determined by law; Legislation required - 28: Should the Lord Chief Justice determine that a body has acted ultra vires, or that elections were not free and fair, they may issue an Order of the Judiciary (‘Judicial Order’) to remedy the matter, as defined by law. Legislation required - 29a: The Zetaboards Terms of Service and Terms of Use shall be considered part of this constitution, as defined by law; Covered by Zetaboards Terms of Service Act
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Constitution of the Independent OrderWHEREAS the members of the Independent Order have, after due time and consideration, determined that there shall exist a single Constitution with supreme authority over all laws,
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:Article One: The Chancellery(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order. (2) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order. (3) The Grand Chancellor shall be responsible for:
- Ensuring the safety and stability of The Independent Order;
- Organising Premier elections and referenda, as defined by law;
- Inducting, by means of Writ, members of the region into the Regional Nobility;
- Administering the forum, the official chatroom of the region, the NationStates region, and any other official off-forum locations;
- Advising members of the executive, judiciary and legislature, where requested;
- Exercising authority arising from Order legislation, including this Constitution, where required;
- Delegating their authority, where required or defined by law.
(4) Where required, and where defined by law, the Grand Chancellor may exercise authority through Orders of the Chancellery (‘by Order’). Article Two: The Executive(5) The Premier shall be the Head of Government of the Independent Order. (6) The Premier shall be elected by all eligible members of the Independent Order for a term of 65 days. An eligible member is one who has been a member of the Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and has made six non-spam posts on the forum. (7) Elections for the Premier shall consist of a nomination period of seventy-two hours, followed by a voting period of forty-eight hours. These shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term, or following the removal of a Premier. (8) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of forty-five days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office. A Premier may not serve more than two consecutive terms, unless, at the end of their term, there are no nominations in the election, in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term. (9) The Premier shall appoint a Cabinet to serve and advise them, consisting of a Vice Premier and Ministers of the Order. The Premier shall be required, when appointing a Minister, to outline their duties, responsibilities and expectations. The Vice Premier shall, for legislative purposes, be considered a Minister. (10) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy other ministerial positions in addition to their regular duties. (11) The Premier, Vice Premier, and Ministers of the Order shall be required to provide an open topic in their respective forum to allow members to raise concerns, ask questions and propose ideas. Due regard must be given to such members, and an official response must be issued within fourteen days. (12) Where required, and where defined by law, the Premier and Ministers of the Order may exercise authority through an Order of the Executive (‘by Executive Order’). The Premier may annul Executive Orders issued by other members of the Cabinet. (13) The Premier may be removed by a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly. Article Three: The Regional Assembly(14) Legislative authority shall be vested in the Regional Assembly of the Independent Order. (15) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all eligible members of the Independent Order, as defined by law. (16) The Regional Assembly shall elect a Speaker for an indefinite term, removable by a motion of no confidence, who shall:
- Be responsible for chairing debates;
- Administer the legislative process, as defined by law;
- Exercise any authority arising from legislation;
- Not be the Premier, Vice Premier, a Minister of the Order, the Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery;
- Have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum; and
- Appoint a Deputy, who shall not be the Premier, Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery.
(17) The Regional Assembly shall be responsible for creating, amending and repealing laws, including this Constitution. All Acts or Motions for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to the Assembly floor. (18) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may motion that the matter be moved to vote. Should the motion receive two seconds, the Speaker shall move the matter to vote. All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and, for matters not otherwise listed, a simple majority shall rule. Where the vote is tied, the Speaker shall have the deciding vote. (19) All Acts of the Assembly shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent to a bill, then the Speaker shall open a new vote in the Assembly. Should the proposed Act receive the support of at least two-thirds of members, then the Act shall become law. (20) Should an Act of the Assembly seek to amend this Constitution, the Roleplay Rules of the Independent Order or the Criminal Code of the Independent Order, it shall require the support of at least two-thirds of the Assembly, and the assent of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent, the matter shall shall be determined by a referendum of all members of the Independent Order. Article Four: The Roleplay Magistrate(21) There shall be a Roleplay Magistrate responsible for the enforcement of roleplay rules. (22) The Roleplay Magistrate shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor with the advice and consent of the Premier and Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Roleplay Magistrate may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the consent of the Assembly. (23) The Roleplay Magistrate shall:
- Appoint a Deputy Magistrate;
- Enforce the Roleplay Rules;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on matters regarding the Roleplay Rules;
- Fulfil any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Recommend awards to be issued by the Grand Chancellor to members of the Independent Order who have produced outstanding pieces of work; and
- Limit the rights of offending members by means of an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (a ‘Roleplay Order’).
(24) When enforcing the Roleplay Rules, the Roleplay Magistrate must: - :
- Act objectively and impartially, and at no point may seek to advantage their own roleplay position;
- Seek to take all reasonable steps to resolve a conflict both privately and publicly;
- Publish records of any formal rulings they make in the appropriate forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue; and
- Only issue a Roleplay Order against a member after all other reasonable steps have been taken to resolve the matter.
Article Five: The Judiciary(25) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice. (26) The Lord Chief Justice shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice of the Premier and consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Lord Chief Justice may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the Premier. (27) The Lord Chief Justice shall be responsible for:
- Training Judges and Advocates;
- Advising the Chancellery, Executive, Regional Assembly and Roleplay Magistrate on points of law;
- Investigating complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and determining a reasonable action;
- Fulfilling any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Conducting judicial reviews where it is suspected that any member or institution of the government has acted ultra vires, as defined by law;
- Hearing appeals from the Roleplay Magistrate on matters regarding Regional Roleplay, as determined by law;
- Monitoring all elections to ensure that they are free and fair; and
- Ensuring that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.
(28) Should the Lord Chief Justice determine that a body has acted ultra vires, or that elections were not free and fair, they may issue an Order of the Judiciary (‘Judicial Order’) to remedy the matter, as defined by law. Article Six: Miscellaneous Provisions(29) The Constitution and the Criminal Code (2013) shall extend fully to all parts Independent Order, including the forum, NationStates region, official chatroom and any official off-forum locations. Additionally:
- The Zetaboards Terms of Service and Terms of Use shall be considered part of this constitution, as defined by law;
- Where reference is made in law to a previous Charter or Constitution of the Independent Order, it shall be deemed to be referring to this Constitution; and
- The Regional Assembly shall, where a matter arising in this constitution requires a definition in law, enact such legislation if necessary for the stable operation the constitution.
(30) If any individual in a position established by this Constitution, with the exception of members of the Regional Assembly, fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen days without posting a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position. Vacancies, including those arising from resignation, shall be filled:
- Where a deputy or vice exists, by said deputy or vice; or
- Where no such deputy or vice exists, or if the deputy or vice has also gone inactive, by the usual procedures specified in this Constitution and otherwise by law.
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[quote][center][size=5][b]Constitution of the Independent Order[/b][/size][/center]
[i]WHEREAS the members of the Independent Order have, after due time and consideration, determined that there shall exist a single Constitution with supreme authority over all laws,
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:[/i]
[b]Article One: The Chancellery[/b]
(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order.
(2) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order.
(3) The Grand Chancellor shall be responsible for:[list=a] [*]Ensuring the safety and stability of The Independent Order; [*]Organising Premier elections and referenda, as defined by law; [*]Inducting, by means of Writ, members of the region into the Regional Nobility; [*]Administering the forum, the official chatroom of the region, the NationStates region, and any other official off-forum locations; [*]Advising members of the executive, judiciary and legislature, where requested; [*]Exercising authority arising from Order legislation, including this Constitution, where required; [*]Delegating their authority, where required or defined by law.[/list]
(4) Where required, and where defined by law, the Grand Chancellor may exercise authority through Orders of the Chancellery (‘by Order’).
[b]Article Two: The Executive[/b]
(5) The Premier shall be the Head of Government of the Independent Order.
(6) The Premier shall be elected by all eligible members of the Independent Order for a term of 65 days. An eligible member is one who has been a member of the Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and has made six non-spam posts on the forum.
(7) Elections for the Premier shall consist of a nomination period of seventy-two hours, followed by a voting period of forty-eight hours. These shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term, or following the removal of a Premier.
(8) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of forty-five days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office. A Premier may not serve more than two consecutive terms, unless, at the end of their term, there are no nominations in the election, in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term.
(9) The Premier shall appoint a Cabinet to serve and advise them, consisting of a Vice Premier and Ministers of the Order. The Premier shall be required, when appointing a Minister, to outline their duties, responsibilities and expectations. The Vice Premier shall, for legislative purposes, be considered a Minister.
(10) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy other ministerial positions in addition to their regular duties.
(11) The Premier, Vice Premier, and Ministers of the Order shall be required to provide an open topic in their respective forum to allow members to raise concerns, ask questions and propose ideas. Due regard must be given to such members, and an official response must be issued within fourteen days.
(12) Where required, and where defined by law, the Premier and Ministers of the Order may exercise authority through an Order of the Executive (‘by Executive Order’). The Premier may annul Executive Orders issued by other members of the Cabinet.
(13) The Premier may be removed by a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly.
[b]Article Three: The Regional Assembly[/b]
(14) Legislative authority shall be vested in the Regional Assembly of the Independent Order.
(15) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all eligible members of the Independent Order, as defined by law.
(16) The Regional Assembly shall elect a Speaker for an indefinite term, removable by a motion of no confidence, who shall:[list=a] [*]Be responsible for chairing debates; [*]Administer the legislative process, as defined by law; [*]Exercise any authority arising from legislation; [*]Not be the Premier, Vice Premier, a Minister of the Order, the Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery; [*]Have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum; and [*]Appoint a Deputy, who shall not be the Premier, Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery.[/list]
(17) The Regional Assembly shall be responsible for creating, amending and repealing laws, including this Constitution. All Acts or Motions for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to the Assembly floor.
(18) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may motion that the matter be moved to vote. Should the motion receive two seconds, the Speaker shall move the matter to vote. All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and, for matters not otherwise listed, a simple majority shall rule. Where the vote is tied, the Speaker shall have the deciding vote.
(19) All Acts of the Assembly shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent to a bill, then the Speaker shall open a new vote in the Assembly. Should the proposed Act receive the support of at least two-thirds of members, then the Act shall become law.
(20) Should an Act of the Assembly seek to amend this Constitution, the Roleplay Rules of the Independent Order or the Criminal Code of the Independent Order, it shall require the support of at least two-thirds of the Assembly, and the assent of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent, the matter shall shall be determined by a referendum of all members of the Independent Order.
[b]Article Four: The Roleplay Magistrate[/b]
(21) There shall be a Roleplay Magistrate responsible for the enforcement of roleplay rules.
(22) The Roleplay Magistrate shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor with the advice and consent of the Premier and Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Roleplay Magistrate may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the consent of the Assembly.
(23) The Roleplay Magistrate shall:[list] [*]Appoint a Deputy Magistrate; [*]Enforce the Roleplay Rules; [*]Advise the Regional Assembly on matters regarding the Roleplay Rules; [*]Fulfil any responsibilities arising from legislation; [*]Recommend awards to be issued by the Grand Chancellor to members of the Independent Order who have produced outstanding pieces of work; and [*]Limit the rights of offending members by means of an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (a ‘Roleplay Order’).[/list]
(24) When enforcing the Roleplay Rules, the Roleplay Magistrate must:[list=a]: [*]Act objectively and impartially, and at no point may seek to advantage their own roleplay position; [*]Seek to take all reasonable steps to resolve a conflict both privately and publicly; [*]Publish records of any formal rulings they make in the appropriate forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue; and [*]Only issue a Roleplay Order against a member after all other reasonable steps have been taken to resolve the matter.[/list]
[b]Article Five: The Judiciary[/b]
(25) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice.
(26) The Lord Chief Justice shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice of the Premier and consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Lord Chief Justice may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the Premier.
(27) The Lord Chief Justice shall be responsible for:[list=a] [*]Training Judges and Advocates; [*]Advising the Chancellery, Executive, Regional Assembly and Roleplay Magistrate on points of law; [*]Investigating complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and determining a reasonable action; [*]Fulfilling any responsibilities arising from legislation; [*]Conducting judicial reviews where it is suspected that any member or institution of the government has acted ultra vires, as defined by law; [*]Hearing appeals from the Roleplay Magistrate on matters regarding Regional Roleplay, as determined by law; [*]Monitoring all elections to ensure that they are free and fair; and [*]Ensuring that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.[/list]
(28) Should the Lord Chief Justice determine that a body has acted ultra vires, or that elections were not free and fair, they may issue an Order of the Judiciary (‘Judicial Order’) to remedy the matter, as defined by law.
[b]Article Six: Miscellaneous Provisions[/b]
(29) The Constitution and the Criminal Code (2013) shall extend fully to all parts Independent Order, including the forum, NationStates region, official chatroom and any official off-forum locations. Additionally: [list=a] [*]The Zetaboards Terms of Service and Terms of Use shall be considered part of this constitution, as defined by law; [*]Where reference is made in law to a previous Charter or Constitution of the Independent Order, it shall be deemed to be referring to this Constitution; and [*] The Regional Assembly shall, where a matter arising in this constitution requires a definition in law, enact such legislation if necessary for the stable operation the constitution.[/list]
(30) If any individual in a position established by this Constitution, with the exception of members of the Regional Assembly, fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen days without posting a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position. Vacancies, including those arising from resignation, shall be filled:[list=a] [*]Where a deputy or vice exists, by said deputy or vice; or [*]Where no such deputy or vice exists, or if the deputy or vice has also gone inactive, by the usual procedures specified in this Constitution and otherwise by law.[/list] [/quote]
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It's late, I'm tired, but here's a draft RP Rules change:
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Roleplay Rules of the Independent OrderAn Act to determine the rules of roleplay and grant powers to the Roleplay Magistrate to enforce them.
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:General Rules(1) The world is Modern Tech (MT), meaning all things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate technology, post-modern technology or any form of future or futuristic technology is prohibited. (2) The world is independent and separate to others in NationStates or on other sites. Territories must be free from any kind of influence from external or off-site bodies. (3) Species in the roleplay world should be identical to those in the real world. All characters shall be human. (4) Members shall be prohibited from:
- Godmodding – such as invading another nation without the respective roleplayer’s consent or deciding the actions of citizens of other nations;
- Power-gaming – maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay; or
- Meta-gaming – by allowing out-of-context (OOC) factors to influence in-character (IC) roleplay.
Nations(5) There shall be two types of nations, primary and secondary, as defined by law. (6) Members are free to determine their own population, territory size and GDP, but must adhere to the following limitations: (a) For primary nations: - A population cap of 500 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 5 trillion USD; and
- Six claims on the map.
(b) For secondary nations: - A population cap of 50 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 1 trillion USD; and
- Three claims on the map.
(c) Any additional limitations prescribed by law. Map plots(7) A member’s nation shall be contained to their map plots, and any reasonable areas of the sea surrounding it. (8) To be eligible to join the map with a primary nation, a member shall have made at least six roleplay posts, including those made in the Factbook forum. Members may only establish a secondary nation once they have been a member for six months and made at least four hundred roleplay posts. (9) There shall be an official cartographer, appointed by the Grand Chancellor, who shall be responsible for maintaining the regional map. The cartographer:
- Shall receive and process all map applications;
- When processing applications, check for their validity and ensure claims are reasonable;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on the expansion and scale of the map;
- Ensure that all nations on the map are active and remove members after at least fourteen days of inactivity; and
- Advise the Roleplay Magistrate if they believe additional sanctions should be placed on members.
(10) The cartographer may reject a map claim if:
- A member does not, at the time of the map update, fulfil the requirements;
- It ‘double parks’, meaning that it fills a position that makes it difficult for other members to reasonable claim around it;
- The claimed territories are unreasonably separated so as to be unrealistic to form a single state;
- It violates the roleplay rules; or
- It coincides with another member’s previous claim.
Roleplay Enforcement(11) The Roleplay Rules shall be enforced by the Roleplay Magistrate, as defined by the Constitution. (12) Should the Roleplay Magistrate, having taking all reasonable steps to resolve a matter, believe that a member is still violating the Roleplay Rules, then they may issue an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (‘Roleplay Order’). A Roleplay Order may:
- Remove an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device from canon;
- Require that an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device not be used in canon;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in military roleplay;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in roleplay generally;
- Change or alter a factbook, or declare it incompatible; or
- Dissolve a nation, including removing it from the map.
(13) Any Roleplay Order issued must be proportional to the offence committed. Military(14) All military roleplay, including wars, weaponry and peacetime management of armed forces, must be reasonably realistic. (15) Prior to engaging in any military conflict, a member must list all weaponry, vessels and manpower possessed by their nation in their factbook. Any increase in military power must be declared on the forum, in-character or out-of-character, at least two weeks prior to commencement. (16) Nations shall be authorised to have chemical and biological weapons, and may use them, within the confines of the general roleplay rules. (17) A nation wishing to possess nuclear weapons must receive permission from the Regional Assembly, as defined by law. Miscellaneous Provisions(18) Sections 1, 3 5-10 and 14-17 shall not apply to the ‘Other World’ forum. (19) A member shall have the right to appeal against a decision made against them by the cartographer to the Roleplay Magistrate, or by the Roleplay Magistrate to the Lord Chief Justice.
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23rd December 2016 - 12:03 PM
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Two things I'd add
1) Something that establishes that everything done, developed prior to this is locked in and established canon- we can't have the RP Magistrate coming in and altering events that have already occurred (because it risks what is already established as canon) so everything up to the introduction of the new constitution coming in has to be regarded as safe.
2) The RP Magistrate should have (considering the scope of the power given) a limitation on when they can be used, now I've been banging on about wanting a notice period for a while, I mean lets be fair about this if someone sneaks something into a factbook post that's six months old by means of edit and then uses it let's say it's a unrealistic tank for the sake of argument then there's no problem with challenging that.
However there does come a point where it is wholly unreasonable to the person to be asked to change something or to have the change forced upon them, if someone RP's the development of something over an elongated period (we're talking weeks and months) through news posts and vignettes, all of which draw attention to it, then it is reasonable to assume that people have seen it and that if it's unreasonable or unrealistic that something will be said, if no challenge to it comes then the person responsible for the whatever it happens to be will naturally assume that it conforms to the rules. So for someone (who's been around long enough) to suddenly notice it four or six months later and cry foul is not really fair in my opinion.
So it's imperative that the RP Magistrate deals with things promptly so that we avoid a ripple effect and having to work out OOCly what would otherwise have happened in an event.
Also let's just make clear please what is meant by the RP Magistrate being able to do things with regards to characters? Because right now that suggests many things half of which I would oppose.
Let me try and clear this up if we've got a character displaying abilities from let's say the Matrix trilogy such as bullet dodging, leaping between buildings over large gaps etc then yes by all means let the RP Magistrate do something about it with appeal to the LCJ if necessary. But let's just remember something here, the characters are the players responsibility it is the players who are responsible for the characters storylines, for what happens to them and when they die. So under no circumstances should the RP Magistrate be forcing someone to kill a character off.
So if I may suggest that in terms of characters we refrain from including them under 12(a) because that to my mind is effectively killing a character off by the back door. Instead the RP Magistrate could as events unfold flag when a character is being portrayed unreasonably.
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23rd December 2016 - 05:57 PM
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Essentially we've just done a roundabout with little to no change. Which admittedly is my original proposal as well. Just stating the obvious I suppose.
Anyway I'm not caring for the government anymore, as far as I'm concerned we don't even need it and true change won't be accomplished anyway. I'll just focus purely on RP from now on So I'm backing out of this convention. With my final statements and without further ado I'll leave yall to your deliberations.
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23rd December 2016 - 09:09 PM
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Essentially we've just done a roundabout with little to no change. Which admittedly is my original proposal as well. Just stating the obvious I suppose.
Well when things are left to the civil service...
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1) Something that establishes that everything done, developed prior to this is locked in and established canon- we can't have the RP Magistrate coming in and altering events that have already occurred (because it risks what is already established as canon) so everything up to the introduction of the new constitution coming in has to be regarded as safe.
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2) The RP Magistrate should have (considering the scope of the power given) a limitation on when they can be used, now I've been banging on about wanting a notice period for a while, I mean lets be fair about this if someone sneaks something into a factbook post that's six months old by means of edit and then uses it let's say it's a unrealistic tank for the sake of argument then there's no problem with challenging that.
Would a statute of limitations resolve this point? Could you draft one because I'm unsure at how I'd word it.
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Also let's just make clear please what is meant by the RP Magistrate being able to do things with regards to characters? Because right now that suggests many things half of which I would oppose.
Let me try and clear this up if we've got a character displaying abilities from let's say the Matrix trilogy such as bullet dodging, leaping between buildings over large gaps etc then yes by all means let the RP Magistrate do something about it with appeal to the LCJ if necessary. But let's just remember something here, the characters are the players responsibility it is the players who are responsible for the characters storylines, for what happens to them and when they die. So under no circumstances should the RP Magistrate be forcing someone to kill a character off.
The purpose of section 12(a) was to essentially prevent a repeat of He Who Must Not Be Named and should be constrained with '(13) Any Roleplay Order issued must be proportional to the offence committed.' In the event you described, a 'proportional' order would declare the whole bullet dodging, etc. as having not happened.
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23rd December 2016 - 09:30 PM
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CGJ, I have an issue with your proposed rules for secondary nations. My current secondary (Meche) is not in violation of the RP rules as they currently stand, but your altered GDP rules would put my nation in violation. I'm not power-gaming or anything; I'm not at the GDP or GDP/capita caps. My econ data for Meche is based on real world nations, specifically weighted and population adjusted averages of Australia, Belgium, Canada, Sweden, and the UK. Might I ask that the caps be raised to $45,000 per capita or $2.5 Trillion in total GDP, if you wish for these caps to be lower than for primary nations?
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23rd December 2016 - 09:40 PM
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You wouldn't need a statute of limitations you'd simply need to include something like the following under the section dealing with the Roleplay Magistrate or in the RP Rules (I'd put it in as a new s13 or 14)
"The Roleplay Magistrate shall not be able to exercise the powers outlined in section 12 in relation to any event or series of events occurring in the RP should the said event(s) have originally occurred one month (twenty eight days) earlier unless the event involves a breach of the rules implied in section 17."
Note that I'm using event as the basis of the idea here, because people do edit their factbooks on a regular basis, so I think it's about the use within the RP that we should focus on. What I'm trying to get at is that such a notice period starts from the first mention- so for example something is mentioned in March and followed up consistently in news posts the clock as it were would still be taken as having started in March with the first post.
The only exception to this should be when someone whose nation does not have RNS status uses a nuclear weapon without the permission to do so, because I think there are enough of us who are on the forums regularly enough to notice when something that's out and out unrealistic is happening and we'd say something.
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23rd December 2016 - 10:07 PM
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I actually don't think we should put any limits on when the RP Magistrate can pull people up for things in fact-books. We're aware of people editing them and at present there is no way of knowing what was edited and when, often the same post gets edited on multiple occasions. I know for example in the last few months I've mentioned people having something non-MT or unrealistic in factbooks, had them alter it but then spotted the things back later or its been later replaced with something equally bad.
If the RP Magistrate spots something they feel is unreasonable they should be able to act on it not allow it to slip by because of a time limit.
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23rd December 2016 - 10:20 PM
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I'm not talking factbooks Dave I'm talking about stuff in diplomacy and events and the like.
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23rd December 2016 - 11:03 PM
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CGJ, I have an issue with your proposed rules for secondary nations. My current secondary (Meche) is not in violation of the RP rules as they currently stand, but your altered GDP rules would put my nation in violation. I'm not power-gaming or anything; I'm not at the GDP or GDP/capita caps. My econ data for Meche is based on real world nations, specifically weighted and population adjusted averages of Australia, Belgium, Canada, Sweden, and the UK. Might I ask that the caps be raised to $45,000 per capita or $2.5 Trillion in total GDP, if you wish for these caps to be lower than for primary nations?
Apologies – I'd forgotten to note that proposal. I don't mind personally where the cap is set. What are people's thoughts?
Ach and Dave: How does this sound?
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(14) A Roleplay Order may only be issued if a violation of the Roleplay Rules:
- Occurred less than thirty-one days previously;
- Occurred more than thirty days previously, and other action was taken within thirty days that failed to resolve the matter; or
- Is contained within a factbook and had not otherwise been declared.
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23rd December 2016 - 11:40 PM
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Based on consultation 'n' shit:
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Roleplay Rules of the Independent OrderAn Act to determine the rules of roleplay and grant powers to the Roleplay Magistrate to enforce them.
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:General Rules(1) The world is Modern Tech (MT), meaning all things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate technology, post-modern technology or any form of future or futuristic technology is prohibited. (2) The world is independent and separate to others in NationStates or on other sites. Territories must be free from any kind of influence from external or off-site bodies. (3) Species in the roleplay world should be identical to those in the real world. All characters shall be human. (4) Members shall be prohibited from:
- Godmodding – such as invading another nation without the respective roleplayer’s consent or deciding the actions of citizens of other nations;
- Power-gaming – maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay; or
- Meta-gaming – by allowing out-of-context (OOC) factors to influence in-character (IC) roleplay.
Nations(5) There shall be two types of nations, primary and secondary, as defined by law. (6) Members are free to determine their own population, territory size and GDP, but must adhere to the following limitations: (a) For primary nations: - A population cap of 500 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 5 trillion USD; and
- Six claims on the map.
(b) For secondary nations: - A population cap of 50 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 2.5 trillion USD; and
- Three claims on the map.
(c) Any additional limitations prescribed by law. Map plots(7) A member’s nation shall be contained to their map plots, and any reasonable areas of the sea surrounding it. (8) To be eligible to join the map with a primary nation, a member shall have made at least six roleplay posts, including those made in the Factbook forum. Members may only establish a secondary nation once they have been a member for six months and made at least four hundred roleplay posts. (9) There shall be an official cartographer, appointed by the Grand Chancellor, who shall be responsible for maintaining the regional map. The cartographer:
- Shall receive and process all map applications;
- When processing applications, check for their validity and ensure claims are reasonable;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on the expansion and scale of the map;
- Ensure that all nations on the map are active and remove members after at least fourteen days of inactivity; and
- Advise the Roleplay Magistrate if they believe additional sanctions should be placed on members.
(10) The cartographer may reject a map claim if:
- A member does not, at the time of the map update, fulfil the requirements;
- It ‘double parks’, meaning that it fills a position that makes it difficult for other members to reasonable claim around it;
- The claimed territories are unreasonably separated so as to be unrealistic to form a single state;
- It violates the roleplay rules; or
- It coincides with another member’s previous claim.
Roleplay Enforcement(11) The Roleplay Rules shall be enforced by the Roleplay Magistrate, as defined by the Constitution. (12) Should the Roleplay Magistrate, having taking all reasonable steps to resolve a matter, believe that a member is still violating the Roleplay Rules, then they may issue an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (‘Roleplay Order’). A Roleplay Order may:
- Remove an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device from canon;
- Require that an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device not be used in canon;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in military roleplay;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in roleplay generally;
- Change or alter a factbook, or declare it incompatible; or
- Dissolve a nation, including removing it from the map.
(13) Any Roleplay Order issued must be proportional to the offence committed. (14) A Roleplay Order may only be issued if a violation of the Roleplay Rules:
- Occurred less than thirty-one days previously;
- Occurred more than thirty days previously, and other action was taken within thirty days that failed to resolve the matter; or
- Is contained within a factbook.
Military(15) All military roleplay, including wars, weaponry and peacetime management of armed forces, must be reasonably realistic. (16) Prior to engaging in any military conflict, a member must list all weaponry, vessels and manpower possessed by their nation in their factbook. Any increase in military power must be declared on the forum, in-character or out-of-character, at least two weeks prior to commencement. (17) Nations shall be authorised to have chemical and biological weapons, and may use them, within the confines of the general roleplay rules. (18) A nation wishing to possess nuclear weapons must receive permission from the Regional Assembly, as defined by law. Miscellaneous Provisions(19) Sections 1, 3 5-10 and 15-18 shall not apply to the ‘Other World’ forum. (20) A member shall have the right to appeal against a decision made against them by the cartographer to the Roleplay Magistrate, or by the Roleplay Magistrate to the Lord Chief Justice.
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24th December 2016 - 12:05 AM
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24th December 2016 - 12:23 AM
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Quick point to make in regards to 9(d) speaking as the cartographer, I don't think I have ever removed a nation after fourteen days inactivity, what tends to happen is that if you're an active nation that goes inactive that gets noticed and the nation goes on the eviction list otherwise referred to as pending removals if there's no activity after that they are removed, exceptions are made for LOA's and other circumstances that I am made aware of.
Point is that the actual removal process can take up to 28 days.
also can I get an example of circumstances under which 9(e) would be applicable?
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24th December 2016 - 12:28 AM
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Quick point to make in regards to 9(d) speaking as the cartographer, I don't think I have ever removed a nation after fourteen days inactivity, what tends to happen is that if you're an active nation that goes inactive that gets noticed and the nation goes on the eviction list otherwise referred to as pending removals if there's no activity after that they are removed, exceptions are made for LOA's and other circumstances that I am made aware of.
Point is that the actual removal process can take up to 28 days.
also can I get an example of circumstances under which 9(e) would be applicable? Should it be moved to 28 days, then? Generally the use of the word 'may' allows someone to be removed after 14 days, not that it HAS to be removed.
9(e) is badly worded – maybe 'It coincides with portions of the map already occupied.'?
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24th December 2016 - 12:57 AM
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I'd change 9(d) to "Ensure that all nations on the map are active and remove inactive members; and"
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24th December 2016 - 04:24 PM
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Alrighty...final thoughts on these two?
- Constitution
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Constitution of the Independent OrderWHEREAS the members of the Independent Order have, after due time and consideration, determined that there shall exist a single Constitution with supreme authority over all laws,
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:Article One: The Chancellery(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order. (2) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order. (3) The Grand Chancellor shall be responsible for:
- Ensuring the safety and stability of The Independent Order;
- Organising Premier elections and referenda, as defined by law;
- Inducting, by means of Writ, members of the region into the Regional Nobility;
- Administering the forum, the official chatroom of the region, the NationStates region, and any other official off-forum locations;
- Advising members of the executive, judiciary and legislature, where requested;
- Exercising authority arising from Order legislation, including this Constitution, where required;
- Delegating their authority, where required or defined by law.
(4) Where required, and where defined by law, the Grand Chancellor may exercise authority through Orders of the Chancellery (‘by Order’). Article Two: The Executive(5) The Premier shall be the Head of Government of the Independent Order. (6) The Premier shall be elected by all eligible members of the Independent Order for a term of 65 days. An eligible member is one who has been a member of the Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and has made six non-spam posts on the forum. (7) Elections for the Premier shall consist of a nomination period of seventy-two hours, followed by a voting period of forty-eight hours. These shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term, or following the removal of a Premier. (8) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of forty-five days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office. A Premier may not serve more than two consecutive terms, unless, at the end of their term, there are no nominations in the election, in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term. (9) The Premier shall appoint a Cabinet to serve and advise them, consisting of a Vice Premier and Ministers of the Order. The Premier shall be required, when appointing a Minister, to outline their duties, responsibilities and expectations. The Vice Premier shall, for legislative purposes, be considered a Minister. (10) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy other ministerial positions in addition to their regular duties. (11) The Premier, Vice Premier, and Ministers of the Order shall be required to provide an open topic in their respective forum to allow members to raise concerns, ask questions and propose ideas. Due regard must be given to such members, and an official response must be issued within fourteen days. (12) Where required, and where defined by law, the Premier and Ministers of the Order may exercise authority through an Order of the Executive (‘by Executive Order’). The Premier may annul Executive Orders issued by other members of the Cabinet. (13) The Premier may be removed by a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly. Article Three: The Regional Assembly(14) Legislative authority shall be vested in the Regional Assembly of the Independent Order. (15) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all eligible members of the Independent Order, as defined by law. (16) The Regional Assembly shall elect a Speaker for an indefinite term, removable by a motion of no confidence, who shall:
- Be responsible for chairing debates;
- Administer the legislative process, as defined by law;
- Exercise any authority arising from legislation;
- Not be the Premier, Vice Premier, a Minister of the Order, the Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery;
- Have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum; and
- Appoint a Deputy, who shall not be the Premier, Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery.
(17) The Regional Assembly shall be responsible for creating, amending and repealing laws, including this Constitution. All Acts or Motions for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to the Assembly floor. (18) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may motion that the matter be moved to vote. Should the motion receive two seconds, the Speaker shall move the matter to vote. All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and, for matters not otherwise listed, a simple majority shall rule. Where the vote is tied, the Speaker shall have the deciding vote. (19) All Acts of the Assembly shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent to a bill, then the Speaker shall open a new vote in the Assembly. Should the proposed Act receive the support of at least two-thirds of members, then the Act shall become law. (20) Should an Act of the Assembly seek to amend this Constitution, the Roleplay Rules of the Independent Order or the Criminal Code of the Independent Order, it shall require the support of at least two-thirds of the Assembly, and the assent of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent, the matter shall shall be determined by a referendum of all members of the Independent Order. Article Four: The Roleplay Magistrate(21) There shall be a Roleplay Magistrate responsible for the enforcement of roleplay rules. (22) The Roleplay Magistrate shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor with the advice and consent of the Premier and Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Roleplay Magistrate may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the consent of the Assembly. (23) The Roleplay Magistrate shall:
- Appoint a Deputy Magistrate;
- Enforce the Roleplay Rules;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on matters regarding the Roleplay Rules;
- Fulfil any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Recommend awards to be issued by the Grand Chancellor to members of the Independent Order who have produced outstanding pieces of work; and
- Limit the rights of offending members by means of an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (a ‘Roleplay Order’).
(24) When enforcing the Roleplay Rules, the Roleplay Magistrate must: - :
- Act objectively and impartially, and at no point may seek to advantage their own roleplay position;
- Seek to take all reasonable steps to resolve a conflict both privately and publicly;
- Publish records of any formal rulings they make in the appropriate forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue; and
- Only issue a Roleplay Order against a member after all other reasonable steps have been taken to resolve the matter.
Article Five: The Judiciary(25) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice. (26) The Lord Chief Justice shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice of the Premier and consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Lord Chief Justice may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the Premier. (27) The Lord Chief Justice shall be responsible for:
- Training Judges and Advocates;
- Advising the Chancellery, Executive, Regional Assembly and Roleplay Magistrate on points of law;
- Investigating complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and determining a reasonable action;
- Fulfilling any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Conducting judicial reviews where it is suspected that any member or institution of the government has acted ultra vires, as defined by law;
- Hearing appeals from the Roleplay Magistrate on matters regarding Regional Roleplay, as determined by law;
- Monitoring all elections to ensure that they are free and fair; and
- Ensuring that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.
(28) Should the Lord Chief Justice determine that a body has acted ultra vires, or that elections were not free and fair, they may issue an Order of the Judiciary (‘Judicial Order’) to remedy the matter, as defined by law. Article Six: Miscellaneous Provisions(29) The Constitution and the Criminal Code (2013) shall extend fully to all parts Independent Order, including the forum, NationStates region, official chatroom and any official off-forum locations. Additionally:
- The Zetaboards Terms of Service and Terms of Use shall be considered part of this constitution, as defined by law;
- Where reference is made in law to a previous Charter or Constitution of the Independent Order, it shall be deemed to be referring to this Constitution; and
- The Regional Assembly shall, where a matter arising in this constitution requires a definition in law, enact such legislation if necessary for the stable operation the constitution.
(30) If any individual in a position established by this Constitution, with the exception of members of the Regional Assembly, fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen days without posting a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position. Vacancies, including those arising from resignation, shall be filled:
- Where a deputy or vice exists, by said deputy or vice; or
- Where no such deputy or vice exists, or if the deputy or vice has also gone inactive, by the usual procedures specified in this Constitution and otherwise by law.
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Roleplay Rules of the Independent OrderAn Act to determine the rules of roleplay and grant powers to the Roleplay Magistrate to enforce them.
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:General Rules(1) The world is Modern Tech (MT), meaning all things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate technology, post-modern technology or any form of future or futuristic technology is prohibited. (2) The world is independent and separate to others in NationStates or on other sites. Territories must be free from any kind of influence from external or off-site bodies. (3) Species in the roleplay world should be identical to those in the real world. All characters shall be human. (4) Members shall be prohibited from:
- Godmodding – such as invading another nation without the respective roleplayer’s consent or deciding the actions of citizens of other nations;
- Power-gaming – maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay; or
- Meta-gaming – by allowing out-of-context (OOC) factors to influence in-character (IC) roleplay.
Nations(5) There shall be two types of nations, primary and secondary, as defined by law. (6) Members are free to determine their own population, territory size and GDP, but must adhere to the following limitations: (a) For primary nations: - A population cap of 500 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 5 trillion USD; and
- Six claims on the map.
(b) For secondary nations: - A population cap of 50 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 2.5 trillion USD; and
- Three claims on the map.
(c) Any additional limitations prescribed by law. Map plots(7) A member’s nation shall be contained to their map plots, and any reasonable areas of the sea surrounding it. (8) To be eligible to join the map with a primary nation, a member shall have made at least six roleplay posts, including those made in the Factbook forum. Members may only establish a secondary nation once they have been a member for six months and made at least four hundred roleplay posts. (9) There shall be an official cartographer, appointed by the Grand Chancellor, who shall be responsible for maintaining the regional map. The cartographer shall:
- Receive and process all map applications;
- When processing applications, check for their validity and ensure claims are reasonable;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on the expansion and scale of the map; and
- Ensure that all nations on the map are active and remove inactive members.
(10) The cartographer may reject a map claim if:
- A member does not, at the time of the map update, fulfil the requirements;
- It ‘double parks’, meaning that it fills a position that makes it difficult for other members to reasonable claim around it;
- The claimed territories are unreasonably separated so as to be unrealistic to form a single state;
- It violates the roleplay rules; or
- It coincides with portions of the map already occupied.
Roleplay Enforcement(11) The Roleplay Rules shall be enforced by the Roleplay Magistrate, as defined by the Constitution. (12) Should the Roleplay Magistrate, having taking all reasonable steps to resolve a matter, believe that a member is still violating the Roleplay Rules, then they may issue an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (‘Roleplay Order’). A Roleplay Order may:
- Remove an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device from canon;
- Require that an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device not be used in canon;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in military roleplay;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in roleplay generally;
- Change or alter a factbook, or declare it incompatible; or
- Dissolve a nation, including removing it from the map.
(13) Any Roleplay Order issued must be proportional to the offence committed. (14) A Roleplay Order may only be issued if a violation of the Roleplay Rules:
- Occurred less than thirty-one days previously;
- Occurred more than thirty days previously, and other action was taken within thirty days that failed to resolve the matter; or
- Is contained within a factbook.
Military(15) All military roleplay, including wars, weaponry and peacetime management of armed forces, must be reasonably realistic. (16) Prior to engaging in any military conflict, a member must list all weaponry, vessels and manpower possessed by their nation in their factbook. Any increase in military power must be declared on the forum, in-character or out-of-character, at least two weeks prior to commencement. (17) Nations shall be authorised to have chemical and biological weapons, and may use them, within the confines of the general roleplay rules. (18) A nation wishing to possess nuclear weapons must receive permission from the Regional Assembly, as defined by law. Miscellaneous Provisions(19) Sections 1, 3 5-10 and 15-18 shall not apply to the ‘Other World’ forum. (20) A member shall have the right to appeal against a decision made against them by the cartographer to the Roleplay Magistrate, or by the Roleplay Magistrate to the Lord Chief Justice.
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24th December 2016 - 07:49 PM
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So I'm an idiot and didn't realise the GDP cap in existence atm is 20tn, so I've restored it to that and upped the secondary nation cap from 2.5tn to 5tn.
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Roleplay Rules of the Independent OrderAn Act to determine the rules of roleplay and grant powers to the Roleplay Magistrate to enforce them.
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:General Rules(1) The world is Modern Tech (MT), meaning all things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate technology, post-modern technology or any form of future or futuristic technology is prohibited. (2) The world is independent and separate to others in NationStates or on other sites. Territories must be free from any kind of influence from external or off-site bodies. (3) Species in the roleplay world should be identical to those in the real world. All characters shall be human. (4) Members shall be prohibited from:
- Godmodding – such as invading another nation without the respective roleplayer’s consent or deciding the actions of citizens of other nations;
- Power-gaming – maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay; or
- Meta-gaming – by allowing out-of-context (OOC) factors to influence in-character (IC) roleplay.
Nations(5) There shall be two types of nations, primary and secondary, as defined by law. (6) Members are free to determine their own population, territory size and GDP, but must adhere to the following limitations: (a) For primary nations: - A population cap of 500 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 20 trillion USD; and
- Six claims on the map.
(b) For secondary nations: - A population cap of 50 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 5 trillion USD; and
- Three claims on the map.
(c) Any additional limitations prescribed by law. Map plots(7) A member’s nation shall be contained to their map plots, and any reasonable areas of the sea surrounding it. (8) To be eligible to join the map with a primary nation, a member shall have made at least six roleplay posts, including those made in the Factbook forum. Members may only establish a secondary nation once they have been a member for six months and made at least four hundred roleplay posts. (9) There shall be an official cartographer, appointed by the Grand Chancellor, who shall be responsible for maintaining the regional map. The cartographer shall:
- Receive and process all map applications;
- When processing applications, check for their validity and ensure claims are reasonable;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on the expansion and scale of the map; and
- Ensure that all nations on the map are active and remove inactive members.
(10) The cartographer may reject a map claim if:
- A member does not, at the time of the map update, fulfil the requirements;
- It ‘double parks’, meaning that it fills a position that makes it difficult for other members to reasonable claim around it;
- The claimed territories are unreasonably separated so as to be unrealistic to form a single state;
- It violates the roleplay rules; or
- It coincides with portions of the map already occupied.
Roleplay Enforcement(11) The Roleplay Rules shall be enforced by the Roleplay Magistrate, as defined by the Constitution. (12) Should the Roleplay Magistrate, having taking all reasonable steps to resolve a matter, believe that a member is still violating the Roleplay Rules, then they may issue an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (‘Roleplay Order’). A Roleplay Order may:
- Remove an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device from canon;
- Require that an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device not be used in canon;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in military roleplay;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in roleplay generally;
- Change or alter a factbook, or declare it incompatible; or
- Dissolve a nation, including removing it from the map.
(13) Any Roleplay Order issued must be proportional to the offence committed. (14) A Roleplay Order may only be issued if a violation of the Roleplay Rules:
- Occurred less than thirty-one days previously;
- Occurred more than thirty days previously, and other action was taken within thirty days that failed to resolve the matter; or
- Is contained within a factbook.
Military(15) All military roleplay, including wars, weaponry and peacetime management of armed forces, must be reasonably realistic. (16) Prior to engaging in any military conflict, a member must list all weaponry, vessels and manpower possessed by their nation in their factbook. Any increase in military power must be declared on the forum, in-character or out-of-character, at least two weeks prior to commencement. (17) Nations shall be authorised to have chemical and biological weapons, and may use them, within the confines of the general roleplay rules. (18) A nation wishing to possess nuclear weapons must receive permission from the Regional Assembly, as defined by law. Miscellaneous Provisions(19) Sections 1, 3 5-10 and 15-18 shall not apply to the ‘Other World’ forum. (20) A member shall have the right to appeal against a decision made against them by the cartographer to the Roleplay Magistrate, or by the Roleplay Magistrate to the Lord Chief Justice.
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28th December 2016 - 10:29 PM
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H...hello?
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28th December 2016 - 10:31 PM
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H...hello? hello
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28th December 2016 - 10:32 PM
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28th December 2016 - 10:38 PM
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So I'm an idiot and didn't realise the GDP cap in existence atm is 20tn, so I've restored it to that and upped the secondary nation cap from 2.5tn to 5tn. - Quote:
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Roleplay Rules of the Independent OrderAn Act to determine the rules of roleplay and grant powers to the Roleplay Magistrate to enforce them.
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:General Rules(1) The world is Modern Tech (MT), meaning all things must appear aesthetically, practically and technically modern. Alternate technology, post-modern technology or any form of future or futuristic technology is prohibited. (2) The world is independent and separate to others in NationStates or on other sites. Territories must be free from any kind of influence from external or off-site bodies. (3) Species in the roleplay world should be identical to those in the real world. All characters shall be human. (4) Members shall be prohibited from:
- Godmodding – such as invading another nation without the respective roleplayer’s consent or deciding the actions of citizens of other nations;
- Power-gaming – maximizing unrealistic efficiency and progress with the goal of domination, excluding storytelling roleplay; or
- Meta-gaming – by allowing out-of-context (OOC) factors to influence in-character (IC) roleplay.
Nations(5) There shall be two types of nations, primary and secondary, as defined by law. (6) Members are free to determine their own population, territory size and GDP, but must adhere to the following limitations: (a) For primary nations: - A population cap of 500 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 20 trillion USD; and
- Six claims on the map.
(b) For secondary nations: - A population cap of 50 million residents;
- A total Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of 5 trillion USD; and
- Three claims on the map.
(c) Any additional limitations prescribed by law. Map plots(7) A member’s nation shall be contained to their map plots, and any reasonable areas of the sea surrounding it. (8) To be eligible to join the map with a primary nation, a member shall have made at least six roleplay posts, including those made in the Factbook forum. Members may only establish a secondary nation once they have been a member for six months and made at least four hundred roleplay posts. (9) There shall be an official cartographer, appointed by the Grand Chancellor, who shall be responsible for maintaining the regional map. The cartographer shall:
- Receive and process all map applications;
- When processing applications, check for their validity and ensure claims are reasonable;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on the expansion and scale of the map; and
- Ensure that all nations on the map are active and remove inactive members.
(10) The cartographer may reject a map claim if:
- A member does not, at the time of the map update, fulfil the requirements;
- It ‘double parks’, meaning that it fills a position that makes it difficult for other members to reasonable claim around it;
- The claimed territories are unreasonably separated so as to be unrealistic to form a single state;
- It violates the roleplay rules; or
- It coincides with portions of the map already occupied.
Roleplay Enforcement(11) The Roleplay Rules shall be enforced by the Roleplay Magistrate, as defined by the Constitution. (12) Should the Roleplay Magistrate, having taking all reasonable steps to resolve a matter, believe that a member is still violating the Roleplay Rules, then they may issue an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (‘Roleplay Order’). A Roleplay Order may:
- Remove an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device from canon;
- Require that an event, item, species, character, or any other plot device not be used in canon;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in military roleplay;
- Suspend the right of a member to participate in roleplay generally;
- Change or alter a factbook, or declare it incompatible; or
- Dissolve a nation, including removing it from the map.
(13) Any Roleplay Order issued must be proportional to the offence committed. (14) A Roleplay Order may only be issued if a violation of the Roleplay Rules:
- Occurred less than thirty-one days previously;
- Occurred more than thirty days previously, and other action was taken within thirty days that failed to resolve the matter; or
- Is contained within a factbook.
Military(15) All military roleplay, including wars, weaponry and peacetime management of armed forces, must be reasonably realistic. (16) Prior to engaging in any military conflict, a member must list all weaponry, vessels and manpower possessed by their nation in their factbook. Any increase in military power must be declared on the forum, in-character or out-of-character, at least two weeks prior to commencement. (17) Nations shall be authorised to have chemical and biological weapons, and may use them, within the confines of the general roleplay rules. (18) A nation wishing to possess nuclear weapons must receive permission from the Regional Assembly, as defined by law. Miscellaneous Provisions(19) Sections 1, 3 5-10 and 15-18 shall not apply to the ‘Other World’ forum. (20) A member shall have the right to appeal against a decision made against them by the cartographer to the Roleplay Magistrate, or by the Roleplay Magistrate to the Lord Chief Justice.
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29th December 2016 - 08:12 PM
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Franz Kaufmann (1886-1944)
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Since there has been no comment...may I propose that the below be put forward as the Constitution (with the explanatory note attached at the bottom).
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This constitution replaces the existing Charter of the Independent Order. It sets out that the Grand Chancellor will be the head of state and commander-in-chief, and will have certain (mostly ceremonial) functions + forum administrative powers. There is also the Premier (the Head of Government) who will be elected every 65 days and can appoint minister, propose legislation, etc. The Regional Assembly maintains its current powers, but adds to it all the powers of the Roleplay Council. It includes a whole new section in the Roleplay Magistrate, who is responsible for enforcing the RP rules. Finally, it includes the Lord Chief Justice, who is responsible for enforcing general law, appeals and judicial review. The new constitution applies everywhere the light touches.
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Constitution of the Independent OrderWHEREAS the members of the Independent Order have, after due time and consideration, determined that there shall exist a single Constitution with supreme authority over all laws,
BE IT ENACTED by Her Excellency the Grand Chancellor, by and with the advice and consent of the Regional Assembly, and by the authority of the same, as follows:Article One: The Chancellery(1) The Grand Chancellor shall be the Head of State of The Independent Order and Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of The Independent Order. (2) The Grand Chancellor shall be responsible for:
- Ensuring the safety and stability of The Independent Order;
- Organising Premier elections and referenda, as defined by law;
- Inducting, by means of Writ, members of the region into the Regional Nobility;
- Administering the forum, the official chatroom of the region, the NationStates region, and any other official off-forum locations;
- Advising members of the executive, judiciary and legislature, where requested;
- Exercising authority arising from Order legislation, including this Constitution, where required;
- Delegating their authority, where required or defined by law.
(3) Where required, and where defined by law, the Grand Chancellor may exercise authority through Orders of the Chancellery (‘by Order’). (4) The Grand Chancellor may be recalled following a vote of two-thirds of the Regional Assembly and a referendum of all members of the Independent Order, as defined by law. Should a Grand Chancellor be recalled, then an Act of the Assembly shall be required to appoint a replacement. Article Two: The Executive(5) The Premier shall be the Head of Government of the Independent Order. (6) The Premier shall be elected by all eligible members of the Independent Order for a term of 65 days. An eligible member is one who has been a member of the Independent Order for a minimum of two weeks (14 days) and has made six non-spam posts on the forum. (7) Elections for the Premier shall consist of a nomination period of seventy-two hours, followed by a voting period of forty-eight hours. These shall run consecutively during the final five days of the Premier term, or following the removal of a Premier. (8) To stand for election as Premier a candidate must have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of forty-five days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum. They must also post a manifesto introducing themselves to the region and outlining their plans for their time in office. A Premier may not serve more than two consecutive terms, unless, at the end of their term, there are no nominations in the election, in which case the incumbent retains the position for a further term. (9) The Premier shall appoint a Cabinet to serve and advise them, consisting of a Vice Premier and Ministers of the Order. The Premier shall be required, when appointing a Minister, to outline their duties, responsibilities and expectations. The Vice Premier shall, for legislative purposes, be considered a Minister. (10) The Premier and Vice Premier may occupy other ministerial positions in addition to their regular duties. (11) The Premier, Vice Premier, and Ministers of the Order shall be required to provide an open topic in their respective forum to allow members to raise concerns, ask questions and propose ideas. Due regard must be given to such members, and an official response must be issued within fourteen days. (12) Where required, and where defined by law, the Premier and Ministers of the Order may exercise authority through an Order of the Executive (‘by Executive Order’). The Premier may annul Executive Orders issued by other members of the Cabinet. (13) The Premier may be removed by a motion of no confidence in the Regional Assembly. Article Three: The Regional Assembly(14) Legislative authority, including roleplay matters, shall be vested in the Regional Assembly of the Independent Order. (15) The Regional Assembly shall be open to all eligible members of the Independent Order, as defined by law. (16) The Regional Assembly shall elect a Speaker for an indefinite term, removable by a motion of no confidence, who shall:
- Be responsible for chairing debates;
- Administer the legislative process, as defined by law;
- Exercise any authority arising from legislation;
- Not be the Premier, Vice Premier, a Minister of the Order, the Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery;
- Have been a member of The Independent Order for a period of twenty days and have made a minimum of twenty non-spam posts on the forum; and
- Appoint a Deputy, who shall not be the Premier, Lord Chief Justice or a member of the Chancellery.
(17) The Regional Assembly shall be responsible for creating, amending and repealing laws, including this Constitution. All Acts or Motions for debate must be submitted to the Regional Assembly docket, after which the Speaker shall move the matter to the Assembly floor. (18) All debates must last a minimum of 72 hours, after which any Assembly Member may motion that the matter be moved to vote. Should the motion receive two seconds, the Speaker shall move the matter to vote. All votes in the Regional Assembly shall last 48 hours, be administered by the Speaker and, for matters not otherwise listed, a simple majority shall rule. Where the vote is tied, the Speaker shall have the deciding vote. (19) All Acts of the Assembly shall require the signature of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent to a bill, then the Speaker shall open a new vote in the Assembly. Should the proposed Act receive the support of at least two-thirds of members, then the Act shall become law. (20) Should an Act of the Assembly seek to amend this Constitution, the Roleplay Rules of the Independent Order or the Criminal Code of the Independent Order, it shall require the support of at least two-thirds of the Assembly, and the assent of the Grand Chancellor. Should the Grand Chancellor refuse assent, the matter shall shall be determined by a referendum of all members of the Independent Order. Article Four: The Roleplay Magistrate(21) There shall be a Roleplay Magistrate responsible for the enforcement of roleplay rules. (22) The Roleplay Magistrate shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor with the advice and consent of the Premier and Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Roleplay Magistrate may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the consent of the Assembly. (23) The Roleplay Magistrate shall:
- Appoint a Deputy Magistrate;
- Enforce the Roleplay Rules;
- Advise the Regional Assembly on matters regarding the Roleplay Rules;
- Fulfil any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Recommend awards to be issued by the Grand Chancellor to members of the Independent Order who have produced outstanding pieces of work; and
- Limit the rights of offending members by means of an Order of the Roleplay Magistrate (a ‘Roleplay Order’).
(24) When enforcing the Roleplay Rules, the Roleplay Magistrate must: - :
- Act objectively and impartially, and at no point may seek to advantage their own roleplay position;
- Seek to take all reasonable steps to resolve a conflict both privately and publicly;
- Publish records of any formal rulings they make in the appropriate forum, detailing the nature of the issue, the rule broken, the steps taken to resolve it and the resolution of the issue; and
- Only issue a Roleplay Order against a member after all other reasonable steps have been taken to resolve the matter.
Article Five: The Judiciary(25) The Judiciary shall be headed by the Lord Chief Justice. (26) The Lord Chief Justice shall be appointed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice of the Premier and consent of the Regional Assembly, for an indefinite term. The Lord Chief Justice may be dismissed by the Grand Chancellor, with the advice and consent of the Premier. (27) The Lord Chief Justice shall be responsible for:
- Training Judges and Advocates;
- Advising the Chancellery, Executive, Regional Assembly and Roleplay Magistrate on points of law;
- Investigating complaints originating outside the Regional Roleplay and determining a reasonable action;
- Fulfilling any responsibilities arising from legislation;
- Conducting judicial reviews where it is suspected that any member or institution of the government has acted ultra vires, as defined by law;
- Hearing appeals from the Roleplay Magistrate on matters regarding Regional Roleplay, as determined by law;
- Monitoring all elections to ensure that they are free and fair; and
- Ensuring that all areas of the government comply with all legislation.
(28) Should the Lord Chief Justice determine that a body has acted ultra vires, or that elections were not free and fair, they may issue an Order of the Judiciary (‘Judicial Order’) to remedy the matter, as defined by law. Article Six: Miscellaneous Provisions(29) The Constitution and the Criminal Code (2013) shall extend fully to all parts Independent Order, including the forum, NationStates region, official chatroom and any official off-forum locations. Additionally:
- The Zetaboards Terms of Service and Terms of Use shall be considered part of this constitution, as defined by law;
- Where reference is made in law to a previous Charter or Constitution of the Independent Order, it shall be deemed to be referring to this Constitution; and
- The Regional Assembly shall, where a matter arising in this constitution requires a definition in law, enact such legislation if necessary for the stable operation the constitution.
(30) If any individual in a position established by this Constitution, with the exception of members of the Regional Assembly, fails to log in to the forum for a period of fourteen days without posting a Leave of Absence they shall be deemed as having vacated their position. Vacancies, including those arising from resignation, shall be filled:
- Where a deputy or vice exists, by said deputy or vice; or
- Where no such deputy or vice exists, or if the deputy or vice has also gone inactive, by the usual procedures specified in this Constitution and otherwise by law.
Explanatory note (not part of Constitution)This constitution replaces the existing Charter of the Independent Order. It sets out that the Grand Chancellor will be the head of state and commander-in-chief, and will have certain (mostly ceremonial) functions + forum administrative powers. There is also the Premier (the Head of Government) who will be elected every 65 days and can appoint minister, propose legislation, etc. The Regional Assembly maintains its current powers, but adds to it all the powers of the Roleplay Council. It includes a whole new section in the Roleplay Magistrate, who is responsible for enforcing the RP rules. Finally, it includes the Lord Chief Justice, who is responsible for enforcing general law, appeals and judicial review. The new constitution applies everywhere the light touches.
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