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| Topic Started: 27th April 2017 - 08:03 PM (347 Views) | ||||
| DaveIronside | 27th April 2017 - 08:03 PM Post #1 | |||
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OOC- Starting this a bit different. Tim had been up 30 hours straight he didn’t like to sleep anymore, it was when he slept that Helus, Jekar and the other six Gods came to him. Over the past week they’d chastised him, criticised him and cajoled him to do more, to make the world do the bidding of the great God Helus. He sat at his desk as the voice of Helus echoed in his head, he pinched himself to check he was awake his nails drawing blood on his forearm. “OK, OK I’ll do something” he said turning the TV showing the situation in Uppsala off. He picked up his pen and notebook and began writing. Twenty minutes later was the scheduled start of the General Assemblies daily briefing. A civil servant went through the days notices, and various sub-committee meetings findings. Tim found himself sat in his chair scribbling on his pad and muttering away to himself. Finally the floor was his. “Ladies and Gentleman” Tim began as he stood, “It is necessary for the CTO to stop sitting here doing nothing while parts of the world crumble. I am fed up of us being nothing other than an excuse to sit in comfy chairs gazing out our own navels while things go badly in other parts of Mundus. With this in mind I wish you to turn your attention to Uppsala, a city once known as a centre of peace, scientific endeavour, of equality and of love, all things the Gods admired, something we all admired about the Nords. As we sit here thousands of people are suffering in Uppsala in tents and reeling from a unknown medical emergency.” He looked around the room and began pointing, “And you, you, not you” he skipped the East Moreland ambassador, “You, you, not you” he next skipped the Achkaerin ambassador, “You, you and you………You’ve all done nothing. The CTO is made up of numerous nations and is supposed to work to make the world a better place, two….that’s it two of you have done anything. So now I must do what is necessary to show the world that the CTO will stand with those suffering. We are going to Uppsala.” He pressed a button on his console and the resolution he had drafted appeared in various languages on the ambassadors monitors.
"So, lets get this done quickly, we can be on flights to Uppsala by this evening." Tim added having given people chance to review the resolution. Edited by DaveIronside, 27th April 2017 - 08:04 PM.
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| Nova | 27th April 2017 - 08:43 PM Post #2 | |||
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Palais de Heyra, Quartier du Rocher Martin had installed since a few days his routine, he would “participate” to the General Assembly sessions he may, knowing since his brother's death he had many tasks and projects ongoing in waiting of a more proper situation. It was already long-enough to travel from Pyrena back to Heyra for the Princely Family and Council of the City's affairs, that he wasn't much imagining himself moving to Uppsala and making the travel back to the Principality when needed... A long travel, plus knowing how current situation was in Uppsala, the idea was philanthropist but at the end not concretely serving, a kind of rich socialist thing in Heyran's mind. How it would be out wouldn't concern him, worst scenario it isn't adopted... But if it is, he would hopefully have a reason to let his chair empty and make his affairs in Heyra and help his nephew. Martin did not say a single words, just after having took a look at the proposed Motion, he took a watch in order to observe reactions from the Members of the CTO, as Heyra was observer, he was on the back and apart, having a clear view on the Assembly. Edited by Nova, 27th April 2017 - 08:45 PM.
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| Achkaerin | 27th April 2017 - 10:03 PM Post #3 | |||
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![]() Cheryl Holmes, Achkaerin Lead General Assembly Delegate Cheryl turned to her colleagues in the Achkaerin representative group - Lisa Saunders, Kelsey Delgado, Jack Foot and Paul Mitchell "Paul go and put Rosie on alert just in case, Jack get me a conference call set up with Consul Williams, Kelsey find me Richmond, Lisa you discreetly get me a good psychologist." she said, they nodded and went off as asked each of them leaving the chamber to do as asked. Cheryl glanced up at the clock that sat on the wall above Tim's head 27th April 2017 was what the date read, which Cheryl had known it would though that hadn't stopped her hoping it would have read 1st April 2017. She stood and eyed Carpenter carefully. "I think I speak for not only the majority of representatives in this room but also the vast majority of heads of state and heads of government in the corridors of power across Mundus who will inevitably find out about this from twitter or facebook or some other social media platform when I say...What...the...frakking...hell?" Cheryl said "Leaving aside for the moment everything you've just said in regards to who has and who hasn't done things within this organisation the entire basis of this proposal is disturbing, dangerous, ridiculous and completely unworkable. The news flash put out by Nya Aland states the following:" she punched up the news flash on the monitors so that those that weren't aware were aware now.
"So that is a presumably toxic chemical agent in the middle of Uppsala the very city that you are proposing we relocate to? Does that sound at all sensible to anyone here? Of course it's not sensible it's downright reckless, what good is relocating to Uppsala going to do this organisation when all we're going to do is add to the body count? And you know as well as I do how overstretched the people on the ground are. You do not effectively handle situations by becoming caught up in them, every government on Mundus has contingencies for crisis situations that allow the government to remain in control and safe while directing a response as a former Chief Councillor of East Moreland, Mr Carpenter, you are well aware of this principle and the fact that you are throwing it to the wind is to put it mildly bloody disturbing." Cheryl paused for a moment "Now I'm not the Lead Health Advisor of the Mundus Health Organisation but if I'm right, and I'm willing to bet a substantial amount of my salary that I am." she repeatedly tapped the desk in front of her as she spoke "Doctor Byrne will want the Mundus Health Organisation to take pole position on this and he will probably want to do a few things that the implications of this resolution would potentially prevent. So how about we actually do what is most helpful in this situation and let the Mundus Health Organisation do the job that it was flaming created to do. I therefore move for the immediate striking of articles one and two of this resolution and for them to be replaced with the granting of leading the response from this organisation to the Mundus Health Organisation. I also note having checked the latest news feeds that another nation has pledged support and should also be commended. I therefore believe the following is a much better proposal:
"I will repeat there is a crisis and that crisis needs a response but that response is best left to the professionals trained to deal with it supported by this organisation's members. We are not going to help the situation by dropping ourselves in the middle of it if anything it will be and I emphasize this it will be hundreds more patients, potentially hundreds more casualties. The people on the ground do not know what this is yet, it is an unknown and if in the face of that unknown this Assembly passes this resolution then Achkaerin will submit a challenge to the International Court of Justice on the grounds of the seeming incompetence of this assembly that such circumstances would indicate. So let us do what we must do, commit to support the operations however we can, commit to allowing the subsidiary organisation to handle the very sort of crisis it was created to deal with and commit to what is common sense in this situation, let the professionals do their job without undue interference and complications from this body!" She sat down, nearly out of breath, she hadn't meant for that to become what it had practically become - a rant but as she sat down there was the sound of one person applauding, standing in the doorway at the back of the Assembly was Doctor Danny Byrne the Lead Health Advisor of the MHO. "Permission to address the General Assembly Mr Secretary General?" Danny asked |
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| Frank Underwood | 27th April 2017 - 10:07 PM Post #4 | |||
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"Bravo Secretary-General Carpenter, this unorthodox method of yours is precisely what the CTO needs, shame on us all for having cared to little about NÅ that desperately needs out utmost attention to its citizens and the nation as a whole, and we should commend those already aiding such a great nation and state...Let's pack our bags shall we?.... I then began to clap my hands and urged others to follow my lead, to think that we finally have a leader who isn't just bsing around is wonderful. But alas my time is almost up...I simply can't handle the political pressure anymore, not within the CTO but back home, and the fact that my cousin as Empress isn't vocally supporting me, might as well step down as CTO ambassador before things become worse. I went forward to the secretary general and lauded him for his efforts, before finally revealing my last duties right before my unfortunate but necessary resignation. "Therefore Tim, I would like to hand you this business card; Claire Underwood, wife and lifelong companion of Secretary of State Mr. Francis J. Underwood, doesn't hold much political experience if I'm brutally honest but she does pack a weight and is seen as a vital part for Secretary Underwood's successes and do hold personal contacts with the Imperial House, namely my cousin Empress Caroline-Marie von Waldensteyck-Grimaldi. Mrs. Underwood's currently CEO of Clean Water Initiative (CWI), a charitable organization. She can easily find a replacement and I believe that with her charity, we can accomplish great things in NÅ, even the most daring projects you could possibly imagine. Tim, I know SGs aren't supposed to give a damn about who the hell we appoint, but I'm already putting a good word for her my good sir, establish a healthy and trustable relationship which will grow into something beautiful of gigantic magnitudes...We still have a few voices among us Ambassadors on this proposal, once again Tim...Unorthodoxy surely leads the path to the future...". I then went back and sat down on my seat, looking as mr. Carpenter scanning the business card; I sure hope that he considers my offer or I would be in big, nasty shit when I return home...
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| DaveIronside | 27th April 2017 - 10:21 PM Post #5 | |||
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Tim sat and listened to the Achkaerin response, he had expected opposition after all these diplomats were soft and clearly putting themselves above those in danger. "If I may explain." Tim began, "Uppsala is a big ass city.....or better described as a big ass hole in the ground. This incident in Uppsala is of course worrying, but those on the ground aren't abandoning the city and people are sending their forces into harms way to deal with it. Now by the time we sit here, debate this, take the vote, pack our bags and get things sorted I predict it'll be a few days, a week maybe. Now worse case is this chemical cloud is a terrorist weapon, we could be hit by one of those just as easily here, so imagine it is and we use the chemical weapons used in Scordisci as a measure, several hours and it was safe for soldiers to operate, why even the Achkaerin medics were in that area I believe. By the time we're even boarding a plane the situation in this latest incident will be under control, I trust Helus with that, and should it not be just because we name Uppsala as the HQ doesn't mean we'll be there, I mean clearly they'll be no Helvetican in the CTO HQ regardless of if where here or in Uppsala because I'll be waiting for this Underwood lady to take their seat. Now if we are sending the MHO in then we're endangering them, it is vital that we send a message to the people of Uppsala we are with them, and rather than that being the rank and file of the MHO it should be us, the faces of the CTO that take that risk. I do however like the additions you proposed." Tim sat down and tapped away on his monitor. "Therefore let me present you with draft three already"
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| Dijel | 27th April 2017 - 10:30 PM Post #6 | |||
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"While it's commendably charitable of you, Mr Secretary General" The Kaedweni representative, Ashley Wentworth-Shields, began as she took the floor "To wish to rush to the aid of these poor victims of an apparent industrial accident, I gotta say I agree with Ms Holmes, to a point. I mean, what exactly is there to be achieved by rushing here and there like a bunch o' loons? If you're looking to be seen doing something, then by all means go yourself. Let the professionals do their jobs, that's what I say" "That said" She continued "While it's a horrible tragedy, and all that, it's a hulluva stretch to make out like it's our job to sort out their mess. I mean, anyone here know the first thing about Nordic industrial regulations? Nope, me neither. Point One - as per the latest iteration - is fine, no dramas, Point Two is no major issue, kinda strong, but fair 'nough, Point Three must be a joke, Point Four is plain self-congratulation, Point Five is an empty gesture and point Six is purely bazaar. I mean, Mr Secretary General, to you fully intend to move this council around Mundus to gawp at the aftermath of each and every industrial accident? Surely this is some manner of joke, sir" |
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| DaveIronside | 27th April 2017 - 10:38 PM Post #7 | |||
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"If I was joking I'd have begun with Knock!Knock!" Tim said, "and anyone who has followed the Uppsala situation knows there is no industry there, hasn't been since the world up sticks and forgot about the place after it was all but wiped out." Tim looked down at a document on his desk. "Let me remind you all that every nation around this table has signed a document that says it is here "to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom," he said reading from the CTO Charter, "And that in order to do that they will "employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples" So it is our job to sort out the mess in Uppsala, after all it was Uppsala that stopped a war from breaking out between Rokkenjima and the USR, who knows where that would have ended, two nuclear nations on the brink of war that could have ended everything and then up step the Nords, but now we as a world desert them. Our going there sends a very clear message, that Uppsala is not irrelevant, despite what almost 12 months of neglect by the world would seem to indicate, it shows that we stand in solidarity with a nation this organisation has done wrong on several occasions, and most importantly it shows we're not afraid to get our hands dirty and actually live out the obligations that we signed up for. I don't want us to look like were doing something, I actually want us to do something." | |||
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| Achkaerin | 27th April 2017 - 10:59 PM Post #8 | |||
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"Then I'll repeat that we should allow the professionals to their job, there should be no suggestion of this body moving to Uppsala, it simply cannot happen the city, and I don't care how 'big ass' it is, is not suitable in a logistical and practical sense to host this organisation not to mention the suggestion of this organisation being hosted in a non member state is weird in itself. Second no one has suggested that the MHO goes in there, we have proposed quite rightly that the MHO should coordinate the CTO response to this crisis, the people going in on the ground such as the Achkaerinese medical teams are people trained for these circumstances and I seriously doubt anyone in this room other than Doctor Byrne is trained to that extent. So that's point five and point six that need striking out and a reaffirmation of point one with further explanation. As for point two it is appropriate we have committed in the past to the establishment of the CTOURT, so surely therefore asking the General Assembly to do what the Refugee Council previously did isn't too big a stretch? Point three and four well I think they should be included. But those points are pretty much by the by and in a practical sense largely irrelevant. So may I suggest that we now hear from the Lead Health Advisor before we go any further?" |
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| Beatrice | 28th April 2017 - 09:08 AM Post #9 | |||
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![]() Michael Kensington, Imperial Liaison to the Commonwealth "With all due respect Mr. Secretary-General, a temporary transfer of the CTO HQ does nothing for the People of Uppsala. It's a nice gesture, yes, but it offers nothing to improve conditions on the ground. My colleagues from Achkaerin and [Dijel's new nation]. We have a job, just as those on the ground in Uppsala do, and just as our representatives back home do as well. The First Empire, therefore, will not lend its support to any version of this Resolution which includes a fluffy, feel-good-but-does-little-actually-useful provision that transfers the CTO HQ to Uppsala. If we want to 'do something', if we wish to stand in solidarity, let us perform our jobs to the best of our abilities and work together to improve aid to Uppsala and increase engagement in operations." Pausing, Mr. Kensington continued, "I would also note that the Rokkenjiman contingent for aid operations is presently in the Alucard and should be arriving shortly carrying supplies and personnel, as announced by the First Empire previously. While absent the Empress, Rokkenjima's dedication to assisting the People of Uppsala remains resolute and firm. Once our forces have been in touch with, I believe IHC is working on establishing a link with Ackhaerin, we'll see Rokkenjiman forces on the ground in direct support of aid operations." Kensington declined to comment on Rokkenjima's omission from 4, trusting it was a clerical oversight and that it would be rightly corrected. |
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| Arda Tuluva | 28th April 2017 - 10:59 AM Post #10 | |||
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![]() Airamírë Vanestëacorin, Arda Tuluvan Ambassador and Lead Delegate to the Commonwealth Treaty Organization The Arda Tuluvan representative, Airamírë Vanestëacorin, stood, "“Mister Secretary-General.” she began with a polite bow to Mr. Carpenter, then she bowed to the CTO members to the right, then left. “Delegates of the Assembly, the crisis in Uppsala is a great misfortune, a tragedy beyond measure which must be contained and all available aid should be given to lessen the loss of life in Nya Åland. Arda Tuluva agrees with this resolution in spirit however, this resolution or any like it cannot be passed if this body does not have the approval from the government of the Odinist Republic of Nya Åland.[1] Interfering in their internal affairs without their expressed permission is an attack on Nya Åland's sovereignty. “We represent the interests and institutions of our respected sovereign nations. Our duty is to ensure the passage of resolutions to help in the stability and well-being of Mundus. Most of us here are mere bureaucrats, Mister Secretary-General. Without the medical expertise or field training required for such a monumental task I feel our presence in Uppsala will be a hindrance and not a helping hand. “I concur with the honorable delegate from Achkaerin, Mister Secretary-General, this is indeed a crisis and we should leave it in the care of professionals who have the adequate training necessary to conduct a mission of this magnitude. "We must also ascertain the nature of this chemical spill's exposure and contents. I therefore leave the floor to the Mundus Health Organization to further enlighten us." [1] Achkaerin makes a good point about needing Aland's approval. Edited by Arda Tuluva, 28th April 2017 - 12:46 PM.
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| Achkaerin | 28th April 2017 - 11:02 AM Post #11 | |||
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OOC- I don't normally do this but I have to run out in about an hour or so and there's no way I'm getting to this before then (gotta have lunch and all that) so I'd appreciate it if people held off until I'm able to have Doctor Byrne outline what he plans to propose from the MHO. Just this seems an opportune moment. Also can it be presumed that given that this directly affects Nya Aland that an Alander is present in some form? Because anything we pass at the CTO in response to this would logically need their agreement - just flagging that as a point. Edited by Achkaerin, 28th April 2017 - 11:32 AM.
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| Achkaerin | 28th April 2017 - 07:09 PM Post #12 | |||
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![]() Doctor Danny Byrne, Lead Health Advisor Mundus Health Organisation Danny adjusted the glasses that hung around his neck as he walked down the stairs from the back of the room he nodded his appreciation to the Arda Tuluvan ambassador, he had been worried that despite the Secretary General's invitation he wasn't going to get the chance to speak as the various other ambassadors took more of an issue with the odd articles over moving the organisation rather than actually being proactive about the crisis, it was amusing really here he was a doctor - a man who from a certain point of view brought order to chaos, well it was time for him to go to work then wasn't it? He took the podium at the front of the room from Tim and took a deep breath, even with all his experience as the Achkaerin Government's Chief Medical Officer it had been some time since he had addressed this many people. "I have no intention of speaking to the resolution my concern is with formulating a concerted responsive effort to this crisis that incorporates cooperation, efficiency and above all safety both of the victims and also those rendering aid. To that end I would encourage this assembly to consider very carefully the implications of its actions. Now the priorities for a response are apparent, with no knowledge of what the chemical in question is and therefore no knowledge of the specific risks posed, putting anyone other than those trained for these circumstances at risk is unthinkable. The location being where it is creates further problems and places greater emphasis on containment. Additionally to this point we are talking about Uppsala and as some members of this Assembly are aware an incident such as this could imply the Gungnir, it isn't presently being treated as a terrorist incident but the Gungnir must be considered a wild card factor in any aid operation undertaken. Fortunately much of the groundwork for an effective response to this was laid by the present Secretary General when he was chair of the Refugee Council, it is seen in the CTO's Uppsala Response Team - led by Princess Freya a combined humanitarian and military operation was undertaken in the immediate aftermath of the asteroid strike on the Union of Nordic Peoples. This operation will be no different in basis. There must of course be clear understandings of what is to be done which comes from clear guidelines accepted by everyone involved both CTO member states and non CTO member states. With that in mind the following are the guidelines under which I propose an MHO response operate.
"Now I would rather have this Assembly approve this as part of this resolution but if you insist on debating something that should not be included in this resolution due to among other things an unacceptable risk factor then I will simply put it to the MHO. The choice is yours but time is very much of the essence, you want to show solidarity with the people of Uppsala? Then give the MHO the authority to act as required don't tie our hands. It's imperative that we act before this gets away from us, so let me do my job, let the MHO do it's job and in doing so you will and I repeat that you will do what you want to do which is you will send a clear message to the people of Uppsala that they are not forgotten. Are there any questions?" [1] Shameless copy, paste and modify of CTOURT [2] on the assumption that the aid needs to get into Nya Aland and that given the proximity Lodja and Arda Tuluva are the best two nations positioned to funnel aid through. Edited by Achkaerin, 28th April 2017 - 08:32 PM.
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| Dijel | 28th April 2017 - 11:37 PM Post #13 | |||
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"One from me, Dr Byrne" Wentworth-Sheilds, the Kaedweni, spoke up again "Why is it that you insist upon the presence of foreign armed forces in a disaster zone? It seems curious to me that such a clause be specified, especially with some nations already deploying military assets into the region. While you say this incident is currently considered to be a mere accident, this proposal appears to me to suggest that you consider rather more nefarious forces to be at play. Are you suggesting, sir, that the security situation in this region is so poor that armed force is required for the rendering of aid?" | |||
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| Achkaerin | 29th April 2017 - 10:41 AM Post #14 | |||
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"It's nothing like that though it is a fair question. Let me ask you this - when you go into the kitchen to make a sandwich, what do you cut the bread with? You use a knife, an ordinary knife? No you use a bread knife, now having cut the bread do you then proceed to use the bread knife to spread the butter onto the bread? Of course not you use a butter knife, in short you use the right tool for the job." Danny said "Having read the after action reports of the CTOURT and having kept across the progress in Uppsala in the media since that meteor strike I see the following, refugee camps still existing, a city emerging from a harsh winter, a city and I say this in the kindest possible way that resembles something closer to a war zone than a Majax[1]. So who is more accustomed to those circumstances? A civilian doctor like myself? No I'm used to meeting my patients at hospitals or clinics, occasionally at accident sites when on call, but I do not have the military training that would allow me to cope with the horrors that may be seen in the city of Uppsala away from the camps. I am not for a moment suggesting that the Nya Aland military is incompetent or incapable of protecting aid workers, I have every confidence in their ability to do that. But I would not be doing my job if I did not start from the worst case scenario position. To send civilian doctors into shall we say the 'wilds of Uppsala' away from the camps necessitates sending people with them for their protection on the off chance of the Gungnir turning up and causing trouble, it creates unnecessary and unacceptable risk. Far better to have military personnel trained to medical standards do the paramedic work and to have civilian doctors in the camps and on the ships where their safety is not put at unacceptable risk. Any response made to this irrespective of whether it comes from us, JET or any nation has to take a belt and braces approach until we know more about what we are dealing with." [1] Unless I've missed something I believe Uppsala to still largely resemble this someone correct me OOCly if I'm wrong |
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| NordicPeoples | 30th April 2017 - 04:50 PM Post #15 | |||
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Birgit Strand had been lurking around the CTO for several weeks using it as a way of making contact with various organisations, amabssadors and the like to try and secure further aid for her homeland. It hadn't gone well and in fact she'd found more help from non CTO nations than those who were members. She therefore was not surprised she'd been summound once a resolution regarding Uppsala had been presented. She'd quickly read through the transcripts of what had gone before and smiled before entering the chamber and taking a seat as Dr.Byrne finished talking. When motioned to she stood. "As many of you will know I'm Birgit Strand, former CTO Secretary-General and now Special Envoy to Head Gothi of Nya Åland. I must say I am delighted that almost a year after the disaster that befell my nation[1] this chamber has determined to talk about us. Now in terms of the resolutions before you I wish to clarify a few things." She unfolded various pieces of paper from her folder, "First the CTO HQ is not going to be permitted in Uppsala, the territory is now part of Åland and as such we have no wish to have a HQ of an agency we are not.....particularly warm towards, having its base there. Although I admire the sentiment and the point Mr.Carpenter was trying to make." "Next the city of Uppsala used to provide homes for some 1.2million people, now it is just 300,000, and those are not in great shape. Some 400,000 people became refugees and are spread between towns and cities in the rest of Åland, some even being accepted by The Iwi, Lodja and East Moreland. That leaves around 400,000 people living in refugee camps or within the ruins of the city. Many roads are gone, the undergound network was ravaged by fire and railway lines are destroyed. The only way into and out of Uppsala is along the cleared highway between a port called Grunwald, a place the Ackhaerin delegations will probably know well, and the city itself. As for this latest incident I have been informed it would best be described as , "A chemical attack, most likely from a failing infrastructure but possibly deliberate." She looked around the room, "Now if I may have at this resolution put forward by Achkaerin." She remembered how to bring up on the big screen the image on her tablet and showed the room her own resolution edits.
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| Achkaerin | 30th April 2017 - 05:59 PM Post #16 | |||
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Danny looked at the screen, the edits and took a breath. "The MHO will stipulate to Ms Strand's alterations, should the situation change personnel on the ground can deal with those changes better than we can." he said "Ms Holmes would you care to do the honors?" "Gladly" Cheryl said standing "Taking Ms Strands points into account I believe we arrive at a resolution that becomes the following:
"With time now being of the essence and the matters of established guidelines sorted out as well as the matter of moving the Headquarters firmly rejected by the proposed host, I motion that the resolution as now outlined be taken to vote." [1] Name given to the joint NA, Lodja, EM and Iwi response already in country) [2] OOC- Could someone who knows what the various levels of this are post an OOC description of them in the Nordic Carbide thread? Edited by DaveIronside, 4th May 2017 - 08:06 PM.
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| Dijel | 30th April 2017 - 09:17 PM Post #17 | |||
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"So be it" Wentworth-Shields waved a hand dismissively "The Republic of Kaedwen seconds this motion, in the interests of the MHO being instructed to continue sooner, rather than later. Let's not drag this farce out any longer" | |||
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| DaveIronside | 4th May 2017 - 08:08 PM Post #18 | |||
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Tim was rather annoyed his master plan for the CTO looking like an organisation with feelings had failed. "Very well, in order to keep this moving this is the motion on the table."
"Is there any reason I can not open the voting?" OOC- In other words you've 24 hours to say otherwise or its going to vote [1] Name given to the joint NA, Lodja, EM and Iwi response already in country) [2] OOC- Could someone who knows what the various levels of this are post an OOC description of them in the Nordic Carbide thread? |
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