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Debate: The Providing of Freedom of Information Act; Senators Only Please
Topic Started: 3rd December 2013 - 11:56 PM (1,139 Views)
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The Providing of Freedom of information Act
The News act


I Congressional Votes
1) Congressional Votes will be put on a spread sheet along with the creator of a bill, did it pass, and did the Grand Chancellor sign it.
2) This should be available in a senate pinned topic.
3) This information can be used in elections
4) The Speaker of the Senate is required to maintain it.

II Government News Network
5) The Ministry of Truth will have to have a news network which will belong to its own forum.
6) This news will consist of Role Play and Government.
7) There is no limit on the median of the news.
8) Anyone in the Ministry of Truth can write articles.
9) The news will need a check for bias and the bias must be stated i.e. Liberal, Conservative, against, for.
10) The post must be made by the Ministry of Truth.
11) The Government News can be shutdown with 4 news networks operating for a months.

III Private News Networks
12) Private News Networks can be created by citizens.
13) The get there own forums
14) The Company owner can assign people to post information on their network forum.
15) They do not need to provide bias.
16) Approval for creation of news network will be approved be the Minister of Truth.
17) The Application of the creation of the news networks will be created by the Ministry of Truth and approved by the Senate.
This bill will go into effect two days after passing to providing enough time for the respected people could prepare.
Edited by Elpidia, 27th December 2013 - 04:48 PM.
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When I wrote this I did not have access to the internet would the person responsible be Minister of Integration or Culture
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I hope you don't mind if I put it into the format I'd like to establish as standard. And I made a few edits to make it a bit smoother.

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The Press Act

An act to provide the public with knowledge of senatorial votes, to create and regulate a state news agency, and to regulate private news networks.

Short Title

(1) This Act may be cited as the Press Act (2013).

Senatorial Votes

(2) A record of the votes cast by each Senator on every act, motion, or piece of legislation whatsoever shall be made available for public viewing.
(3) This record shall be maintained by the Speaker of the Senate in a pinned topic in the Senate Chambers.

Government News Network

(4) The Ministry of Truth shall create and maintain a news agency.
(5) This news will consist of Role Play and Government.
(6) There is no limit on the median of the news.
(7) Anyone in the Ministry of Truth can write articles.
(8) The news will need a check for bias and the bias must be stated i.e. Liberal, Conservative, against, for.
(9) The post must be made by the Ministry of Culture.
(10) The Government News can be shutdown with 4 news networks operating for a month.

Private News Networks

11) Private News Networks can be created by citizens.
12) The get there own forums
13) The Company owner can assign people to post information on their network forum.
14) They do not need to provide bias.
15) Approval for creation of news network will be approved be the Minister of Truth.
16) The Application of the creation of the news networks will be created by the ministry of culture and approved by the senate.

Enactment
This act shall go into effect two days after passing to providing enough time for the respected people to prepare.
Edited by Elpidia, 10th December 2013 - 08:11 PM.
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4th December 2013 - 12:00 AM
When I wrote this I did not have access to the internet would the person responsible be Minister of Integration or Culture
I think it would Ministry of Truth.
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could you change it then please
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Can we formalize the language in the bill? Clause 12), for example, requires a bit of work. (Sorry :P)
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sorry I didn't have time to proof read it
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Personally I wouldn't recommend going forward with this bill. Frankly I don't think we need to legislate on these issues, I think the Ministry of Truth will do well enough on its own, and there's no need to legislate private news at this point.

As far as the Senate transparency goes I was under the impression that our proceedings were viewable by the public, they just couldn't post here, is that correct?
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They are I think, the point was to make it easier and less time consuming if we have 15 votes all 5 of us vote that's 75 votes to keep up with wouldn't anybody rather just look at a spreadsheet then look through 15 forum posts to get 5 votes each.
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They are I think, the point was to make it easier and less time consuming if we have 15 votes all 5 of us vote that's 75 votes to keep up with wouldn't anybody rather just look at a spreadsheet then look through 15 forum posts to get 5 votes each.
To be honest I don't think most members of the region care, but I wouldn't mind making it a policy to include the vote count when I post legislation in Passed/Failed forums.
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ok I here the other senators opinions and then I will decide on going through with it or not.
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The Public Gallery forum is set aside specifically for if members of the public wish to weigh in on legislation being debated by the Senate. We should be fine on that front.
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I see no reason to oppose this legislation.
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9th December 2013 - 05:42 PM
Aye to the motion.
I'm sorry Senator, but to which motion are you referring?
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Alongside with beatrice, i see no reason to oppose this legislation
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I'm afraid I disagree, there a several reasons to oppose this bill. However it is an irrelevant discussion as the author has withdrawn the bill pending further review.
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no I say it is completely relevant as I said I would think about going through with it or not, which I am not withdrawing my bill.
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When you decide what you want to do with it I'll return it to the debate floor.
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I decided it should return to the debate floor
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Very well, it shall be done. However, seeing as the Criminal Code was passed this bill needs to be put in the proper format. If you don't mind Senator I shall do so on your behalf, as well as formalize the language as per the Grand Chancellors suggestion.


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The Press Regulation and Freedom of Information Act

An Act to provide the public with knowledge of senatorial votes, to create and regulate a state news agency, and to regulate private news networks.

Short Title

(1) This Act may be cited as the Press Regulation and Freedom of Information Act (2013), or abbreviated to PRFIA (2013).

Senatorial Votes

(2) A record of the votes cast by each Senator on every act, motion, or piece of legislation whatsoever shall be made available for public viewing.
(3) This record shall be maintained by the Speaker of the Senate in a pinned topic in the Senate Chambers.

Government News Network

(4) The Ministry of Truth shall create and maintain a news agency.
(5) This news will consist of Role Play and Government.
(6) There is no limit on the median of the news.
(7) Anyone in the Ministry of Truth can write articles.
(8) The news will need a check for bias and the bias must be stated i.e. Liberal, Conservative, against, for.
(9) The post must be made by the Ministry of Culture.
(10) The Government News can be shutdown with 4 news networks operating for a month.

Private News Networks

(11) Private News Networks may be created by citizens.
(12) A forum shall be created for any/all Private News Networks.
(13) The owner of a Private News Network may assign people to post information on their network forum.
(14) They do not need to provide bias.
(15) The creation of news network must be approved be the Minister of Truth.
(16) The Application for the creation of a Private News Network will be created by the Ministry of Truth and approved by the Senate.

Enactment

(17) This act shall go into effect two days after passing.


Edited by Elpidia, 10th December 2013 - 08:10 PM.
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Senators I feel the need to reiterate my position that this bill is unnecessary, and complicates something that currently has not problems. I'll list my problems with the bill.

1) I have no problem with the first section regarding Senatorial votes, but I don't see the need for legislation. We can simply make it a Speaker policy to keep such a thread.
2) I don't see the need to mandate a government news agency, especially at this time. The Ministry of Truth should be able to determine for itself when it can create such an agency. As far as I know the Minister is currently the only member of the Ministry, shall he be forced to keep up an entire news agency alone?
3) I don't see why we need to legislate that citizens can do something that they were never forbidden to do. If these news networks are going to be private, then there is no need for us to get involved. Furthermore, if our interest is in promoting private press, why are we requiring a government approval from the Ministry?

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1) Having it standard and in legislation means that every speaker will have to do it by law.
2) The Ministry of Truth could ask for help if he/she needs it (I wouldn't mind helping).
3) Standardization, am protecting their right to do so not if a minister, premier or Chancellor deciding they can't. (Also if we were to do a stock market we would have registered businesses t start with.)
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1) Having it standard and in legislation means that every speaker will have to do it by law.
2) The Ministry of Truth could ask for help if he/she needs it (I wouldn't mind helping).
3) Standardization, am protecting their right to do so not if a minister, premier or Chancellor deciding they can't. (Also if we were to do a stock market we would have registered businesses t start with.)
What, perchance, if no one was willing to help the Minister and he/she didn't print the newspaper? Would they not be criminally responsible? That seems ridiculous to me.
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no There is no statement in the law about when the minister has to put out newspaper he can do so when he pleases.
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The bill states:

"(4) The Ministry of Truth shall create and maintain a news agency."

Therefore if the Ministry of Truth were not to maintain the news agency by posting articles they would be in violation of the law and liable to prosecution.
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But the law does not require to post within a given time as it does not say how often he most post.
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But the law does not require to post within a given time as it does not say how often he most post.
Then the law defeats its own purpose. Why require the Ministry of Truth to maintain a news agency and then not require them to post articles? Under your interpretation the Ministry could post a single piece of news and call it a news agency.
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Well certainly he could but would want to put in a clause about how much he posts?
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I don't understand how you don't see that this bill is frivolous.
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As we're laying the groundwork for the Ministry of Culture to manage the press and media of the Independent Order if this bill is to go forward I feel it should be edited to reflect that. The Ministry of Truth may cooperate with the Ministry of Culture in that respect, but it's still a Cultural Ministry responsibility, at least in the planning we've done so far. Since Matthew Vinage has laid the groundwork I think we should continue moving forward with his efforts instead of shifting them to the Ministry of Truth.
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This bill is supposed to go to vote today (it's been seven days) but I think there is still much work to do, as well as much debate. I motion to prolong debate for another three days.
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Ye thats probably true i second motion
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I second the motion as well.
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Great, then with a motion and two seconds the motion carries.
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I suggest we let the Minister of Culture and Minister of Interior work on it together.
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The Press Regulation and Freedom of Information Act

An Act to provide the public with knowledge of senatorial votes, to create and regulate a state news agency, and to regulate private news networks.

Short Title

(1) This Act may be cited as the Press Regulation and Freedom of Information Act (2013), or abbreviated to PRFIA (2013).

Senatorial Votes

(2) A record of the votes cast by each Senator on every act, motion, or piece of legislation whatsoever shall be made available for public viewing.
(3) This record shall be maintained by the Speaker of the Senate in a pinned topic in the Senate Chambers.

Government News Network

(4) The Ministry of Culture and Truth shall create and maintain a news agency.
(5) This news will consist of Role Play and Government.
(6) There is no limit on the median of the news.
(7) Anyone in the Ministry of Culture and/or Truth can write articles.
(8) The news will need a check for bias and the bias must be stated i.e. Liberal, Conservative, against, for.
(9) The post must be made by the Ministry of Culture.
(10) The Government News can be shutdown with 4 news networks operating for a month.

Private News Networks

(11) Private News Networks may be created by citizens.
(12) A forum shall be created for any/all Private News Networks.
(13) The owner of a Private News Network may assign people to post information on their network forum.
(14) They do not need to provide bias.
(15) The creation of news network must be approved be the Minister of Culture and/or Truth.
(16) The Application for the creation of a Private News Network will be created by the Ministry of Culture and Truth and approved by the Senate.

Enactment

(17) This act shall go into effect two days after passing.


[/quote]I suggest this version of the bill to be voted on as it has been 5 days and the only since the motion to prolong the debate and the only debate was me agreeing with Beatrice's post earlier.
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We're kind of on shaky procedural ground here. I'd like you to get two seconds to your motion before going forward with this version.
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So I have to get two people to agree to motion something to vote that is already SUPPOSE to be at vote. Really?
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19th December 2013 - 11:25 PM
So I have to get two people to agree to motion something to vote that is already SUPPOSE to be at vote. Really?
If I'm interpreting the Charter correctly the original bill is the one that's supposed to go to vote, or at least the latest one with approved changes. Being the author doesn't give you the authority to decide what goes to vote by fiat.

So basically, yes you do have to get two seconds to your motion.
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This bill is supposed to go to vote today (it's been seven days) but I think there is still much work to do, as well as much debate. I motion to prolong debate for another three days.
You said three days on the 10.
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That's not the issue at stake here. This version of the bill has not been approved by the Senate, you alone don't get to decide what form of the bill goes to vote. You have to have a majority to alter a bill.
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ok I understand the fact that the original is suppose to go to vote, but earlier me and Beatrice said that culture since he was laying the ground works then he should be included which is all that I changed.


1)Also if the original was suppose to go to a vote then why hasn't it or been delayed.
2)I am ok with this continued to be debated if debate actually happens.


All I'm saying that for me to get approve for a minor change but you can pigeon hold this in debate without approval seems like you are abusing power.
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The revised version of the bill, which you are suggesting we use, is not a "minor change", rather a complete re-write of the original. Therefore, it is an amendment, and therefore requires a successful motion to be adopted by the Senate.

If you would like to argue what the Charter says, you are write, staying strictly in line with the Charter we should've sent this bill to a vote after seven days, regardless of any ongoing debate. However, that section of the Charter is poorly written, it is clearly necessary to have more time to debate a bill.

The debate has dragged on due in large part to the inactivity of your fellow Senators, particularly Ceylon and Chernobereg. A measure of inactivity is excusable on Senator Beatrice's part, due to her dual role as Premier.

Nevertheless I note your concern about my use of the Speaker's power. I assure you that despite my personal opposition to this bill, I am not attempting to use legislative trickery to stifle it. I am simply attempting to uphold parliamentary procedure. If you would like to have this revised edition of the bill go to vote, you will need seconds. I cannot allow you to decide what bills go to vote and what bills to not without the support of the Senate.
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Ok I am sorry for attacking you if that is not your intention, but since I'm going to state that the seconds are unlikely but I would like everyone to be in agreement how about you propose how you would write a bill and we compromise on something.

Kinda OOC: Also I think and fear most of this terms bills and constitution debate will carry on until the next term because of the inactivity; we should also try to come up with a plan to combat that in the next election.
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20th December 2013 - 02:44 AM
Ok I am sorry for attacking you if that is not your intention, but since I'm going to state that the seconds are unlikely but I would like everyone to be in agreement how about you propose how you would write a bill and we compromise on something.

Kinda OOC: Also I think and fear most of this terms bills and constitution debate will carry on until the next term because of the inactivity; we should also try to come up with a plan to combat that in the next election.
Apology accepted, but really this argument was better than continued inactivity. I will work on a bill establishing a procedure for bills.

I also think that these bills will carry over into the next term, but hopefully we'll be reelected for the next term to continue discussion. We need to remind the people in the next election who was active, and who wasn't.
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I agree, so I'm guessing we put the vote on hold until after the election; until I think we work on this and the constitution so that there is the least amount of apposition possible?
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I don't think we need to close the debate, but I don't expect much more will happen until the next election.
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ok would you remind me of your problems with the bill.
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Further refinement (spelling/grammar) is needed before I would consider voting for this bill. As some things are already covered by what we're doing with the Ministry of Culture I'm still not sure where we're going with this bill, to be honest. With further refinement and collaboration with ongoing efforts I'll reconsider my stance.
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Seeing as this bill is getting no traction and seems, in my opinion, to be frivolous, I motion to table the bill.
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Seeing as this bill is getting no traction and seems, in my opinion, to be frivolous, I motion to table the bill.
I second the motion to table.
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I third that motion
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Motion carries
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