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Bergeron; What should we do?
Topic Started: Nov 8 2007, 12:43 PM (732 Views)
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It seems like in every game I get to see (I live in Wisconsin, so not many!), Marc-Andre Bergeron screws up in a way that directly leads to a scoring chance. That's not acceptable for a defenseman. At the same time, he also seems to be responsible for creating scoring chances every game. His shot is an incredible asset. Even when he isn't shooting, the threat of his shot opens up holes for others to exploit. We saw that on Tuesday when Comrie set up Fedotenko after faking a pass to MAB.

With Berard coming back in the near future, we'll be faced with the need to either scratch another defenseman, dress seven defenseman, or scratch MAB. So what do we do?

One thing I was wondering about is why we can't dress Bergeron as a fourth line defensive forward, and use him on the point during the power play. Is there something about MAB that makes it impossible for him to be a forward? Having him at forward would seem like the perfect solution; what's wrong with it?
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A lot about foward versus' defender where talked about in this thread - http://z11.invisionfree.com/IslanderCountr...?showtopic=8090
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Let him go. He hasn't been able to get his shot off lately because teams are aware of his one asset. I am tired of seeing him make bad decisions with the puck night in and night out. I don't care if his salary is low and I really don't think I care anymore about his potential. D-man like him are a dime a dozen and the Isles need to realize it's time to cut him loose when Berard gets back. Not to mention, he still has to hit the net when he shoots and sometimes the chance of that are about as equal with winning the lottery. I was optomistic when he first came but I'm realizing now why Oiler fans were not upset when he was traded.
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With 11 games in the last 20 days of this month, I could see a rotating system of some D-men to allow some to rest. We play 3 back to back sets of games, one each week, from now to Nov 29th.

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Good call webby! We have LOTS of TIME, and right now - we should get no value for him. Do the ROTATOR!
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lifirefighter
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I'd say you'd have to keep him around with Johnson out for an extended period and with the injury prone guys we have (sutton, berard, martinek) you can bench MAB for extended periods if you have to and throw him in when we're short guys or need a spark.
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Leave him in there as the 7th D-man, or as a rotator. We need 7 NHL d-men on this team. Look how quickly both Berard and Johnson went down. There is no need to even talk about moving him.
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Enough bashing MAB.
With 2 goals and 4 assists (over only 9 of 12 games), he's doing fine. Let him get his PP time, and eventually he will shore up his defensive end.
Hell, we aren't doing badly. Do we even need to scapegoat someone right now???
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Andy,Nov 8 2007
02:33 PM
Enough bashing MAB.
With 2 goals and 4 assists (over only 9 of 12 games), he's doing fine. Let him get his PP time, and eventually he will shore up his defensive end.
Hell, we aren't doing badly. Do we even need to scapegoat someone right now???

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WTF is going on here??? What is all this talk about trading Bergeron??? We are 12 games into the season.....12 GAMES!!!!

OK...for all the arm chair GM's out there who think we should trade him (and Miro while you are at it), answer me these 3 things...

1- why do you feel the need to move him NOW?
2- what is the trade you want to do? (include who/what we will get in return)
3- who is our 7th Dman once you get rid of him?

I'm sure we will get some doozies of answers to those three questions because there aren't any good answers.

As was mentioned in an earlier post, YOU WON'T GET QUALITY for him now. There is no pressing need to move him now. What is your rush?

And I'm sorry, but he has played better on defense since he came back. he's played better each game. Where were all these defensive breakdowns in the Rags game? He's not going to win you a Norris Trophy, but he's definitely played better in his own end since returning.

And if you think he's "a dime a dozen" on the PP, then please seek professional help. One of our goals in the Rags game was directly related to him and he didn't even touch the puck. On the PP a RAg was staying way up high to deny him the puck. All that did was create a 4 v 3 on the rest of the rink and we scored. The threat of Bergeron's shot created space in the high slot for a shooter.

I just don't get the "chicken little", "the glass is always half empty" reaction from some people. We just ran off 3 impressive wins and have another divisional rival coming up and instead of being pleased, SOME people are turning into Mike Milbury with bad trade ideas.

Here's a thought...let's have someone actually play the equivalent of a half season on LI before we get the posse to run them out of town on the last train?

I understand why people were down on MAB after his start this year, but if you haven't seen improvement in the kid since he returned from his proper benching, then you simply aren't watching or don't know what to look for.

Sorry if that seems harsh. don't want to insult or tick people off, but the negativity is getting to me.

Think about how we were on July 2 and where we are now!!!
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Andy,Nov 8 2007
02:33 PM
and eventually he will shore up his defensive end.

I agree with most of your post except for this part. Thinking he will get better defensively is simply not reality.

He is filler and that is about it.

Berard is our PP pointman (Bergeron isn't so good at keeping the puck in the offensive zone) and will play Bergeron's minutes when he gets back.

MAB can ride the pine until someone else is hurt. But as far as him fixing his problems on D, that would occur only through proper teaching, something that should have happened 20 years ago with him. You can pretty much forget it now.
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lifirefighter,Nov 8 2007
02:54 PM
Andy,Nov 8 2007
02:33 PM
and eventually he will shore up his defensive end.

I agree with most of your post except for this part. Thinking he will get better defensively is simply not reality.

He is filler and that is about it.

Berard is our PP pointman (Bergeron isn't so good at keeping the puck in the offensive zone) and will play Bergeron's minutes when he gets back.

MAB can ride the pine until someone else is hurt. But as far as him fixing his problems on D, that would occur only through proper teaching, something that should have happened 20 years ago with him. You can pretty much forget it now.

Yet, Berard who has been a defensive siv his entire career has played very well in his own end this season.
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Islander4cups,Nov 8 2007
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And I'm sorry, but he has played better on defense since he came back. he's played better each game. Where were all these defensive breakdowns in the Rags game? He's not going to win you a Norris Trophy, but he's definitely played better in his own end since returning.

And if you think he's "a dime a dozen" on the PP, then please seek professional help. One of our goals in the Rags game was directly related to him and he didn't even touch the puck. On the PP a RAg was staying way up high to deny him the puck. All that did was create a 4 v 3 on the rest of the rink and we scored. The threat of Bergeron's shot created space in the high slot for a shooter.

I understand why people were down on MAB after his start this year, but if you haven't seen improvement in the kid since he returned from his proper benching, then you simply aren't watching or don't know what to look for.

Sorry if that seems harsh. don't want to insult or tick people off, but the negativity is getting to me.

Think about how we were on July 2 and where we are now!!!

Maybe they were watching the 1st Ranger game instead of Tuesday night's game? :dontknow:

I agree, I4C - he has improved since returning. And he's even added a quick wrist shot to catch other teams by surprise. As has been said, he's not a Norris Trophy winner, but he has definitely cut down on the turnovers and mistakes. What more do you want?

So, what gives? You are not going to trade him at this point in time. Maybe at the trade deadline, if Berard proves he can avoid the injury bug and Campoli has shown that his fasy start is not a flash in the pan, then you consider trading any extra pieces. But certainly not now.
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tsharaf,Nov 8 2007
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And I'm sorry, but he has played better on defense since he came back.  he's played better each game.  Where were all these defensive breakdowns in the Rags game?  He's not going to win you a Norris Trophy, but he's definitely played better in his own end since returning.

And if you think he's "a dime a dozen" on the PP, then please seek professional help.  One of our goals in the Rags game was directly related to him and he didn't even touch the puck.  On the PP a RAg was staying way up high to deny him the puck.  All that did was create a 4 v 3 on the rest of the rink and we scored.  The threat of Bergeron's shot created space in the high slot for a shooter.

I understand why people were down on MAB after his start this year, but if you haven't seen improvement in the kid since he returned from his proper benching, then you simply aren't watching or don't know what to look for.

Sorry if that seems harsh.  don't want to insult or tick people off, but the negativity is getting to me.

Think about how we were on July 2 and where we are now!!!

Maybe they were watching the 1st Ranger game instead of Tuesday night's game? :dontknow:

I agree, I4C - he has improved since returning. And he's even added a quick wrist shot to catch other teams by surprise. As has been said, he's not a Norris Trophy winner, but he has definitely cut down on the turnovers and mistakes. What more do you want?

So, what gives? You are not going to trade him at this point in time. Maybe at the trade deadline, if Berard proves he can avoid the injury bug and Campoli has shown that his fasy start is not a flash in the pan, then you consider trading any extra pieces. But certainly not now.

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Webb20,Nov 8 2007
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With 11 games in the last 20 days of this month, I could see a rotating system of some D-men to allow some to rest. We play 3 back to back sets of games, one each week, from now to Nov 29th.

love that idea! I dig MAB's style. He isnt the QB of the PP though. Just let him wait for the one timer and hopefully someone is there is clean up the mess in front. He may be a one trick pony but if he was smart he would continue to refine his one asset, which is a damn good one.
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I think he has been playing well since Berard went down. He made a bunch of smart plays with the puck against the Rangers. I think his biggest problem isn't even his defensive play as much as its that he hold the puck too long and it causes turnovers. Recently he has moved the puck quickly and put it high off the glass on clearing attempts.
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haha jsut popped in my head, ex-olier causing issues playing D on the island.

wheres vowel boy???
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haha jsut popped in my head, ex-olier causing issues playing D on the island.

wheres vowel boy???

Bergeron is nowhere near that level. Janne was as bad as they come, especially in '05-'06.
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totallypucked,Nov 8 2007
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RockitHC,Nov 8 2007
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haha jsut popped in my head, ex-olier causing issues playing D on the island.

wheres vowel boy???

Janne was as bad as they come, especially in '05-'06.

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