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Bergeron; What should we do?
Topic Started: Nov 8 2007, 12:43 PM (733 Views)
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totallypucked,Nov 8 2007
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RockitHC,Nov 8 2007
04:09 PM
haha jsut popped in my head, ex-olier causing issues playing D on the island.

wheres vowel boy???

Bergeron is nowhere near that level. Janne was as bad as they come, especially in '05-'06.

oh i know, the reference was due though :P
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I don't know what some of you guys are watching but the guy has played well since he's been back. He's also creating scoring chances. Just because the guy isn't ripping the puck 150 MPH every time now that means he's not good? How terrible was he when he threw the puck on net and Satan buried the game winner against Pittsburgh? On the game tying goal Tuesday against the Rags, Comrie made an AWESOME PLAY. But guess what... would that play have worked if Chris Campoli or Radek Martinek was playing the point? NO. Comrie's fake-pass to MAB only worked because the when he made the move both Blair Betts and Marc Staal were so paranoid about MAB ripping a bomb that they both moved up to get in his face, which created a gigantic lane that Comrie fed Tank on (I just watched the play over again to make it 100% accurate). Any other pointman and they continue to skate with Comrie and that play probably never happens.

ALSO... the coaching staff has told MAB not to always wind up and rip it because teams are guarding against it. They've been telling him to take a quick wrister and throw it on net and it's creating good chances (the Miro winner against Pitt). Jaffe has said it about 10 times on the telecasts.

Some of you continue to kill him but have no idea just how valuable he is out there, ESPECIALLY with Berard out. Some of you will just never, ever get it.
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I thought he had a very good game against the Rangers.
The whole team played well as evidenced by our free flowing
transition game out of our own zone.

When someone gets labeled something, anything, people tend to look for that and each
instance gets magnified.
On the flip side, everything else they do right gets taken for granted.

Leave him be, he's got talent and will win you guys over.
Always room for improvement and if he plays the way he did against the Rangers we'll be fine.
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Snowman39,Nov 8 2007
04:33 PM
I don't know what some of you guys are watching but the guy has played well since he's been back. He's also creating scoring chances. Just because the guy isn't ripping the puck 150 MPH every time now that means he's not good? How terrible was he when he threw the puck on net and Satan buried the game winner against Pittsburgh? On the game tying goal Tuesday against the Rags, Comrie made an AWESOME PLAY. But guess what... would that play have worked if Chris Campoli or Radek Martinek was playing the point? NO. Comrie's fake-pass to MAB only worked because the when he made the move both Blair Betts and Marc Staal were so paranoid about MAB ripping a bomb that they both moved up to get in his face, which created a gigantic lane that Comrie fed Tank on (I just watched the play over again to make it 100% accurate). Any other pointman and they continue to skate with Comrie and that play probably never happens.

ALSO... the coaching staff has told MAB not to always wind up and rip it because teams are guarding against it. They've been telling him to take a quick wrister and throw it on net and it's creating good chances (the Miro winner against Pitt). Jaffe has said it about 10 times on the telecasts.

Some of you continue to kill him but have no idea just how valuable he is out there, ESPECIALLY with Berard out. Some of you will just never, ever get it.

WINNER!!!!! :thumbsup: :blueribbon: :applaud:
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RockitHC,Nov 8 2007
04:09 PM
haha jsut popped in my head, ex-olier causing issues playing D on the island.

wheres vowel boy???

jANNE was so bad he just got us another 2 minute holding penalty and he hasn't played for us in 2 seasons. He is that bad.
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Snowman39,Nov 8 2007
04:33 PM
I don't know what some of you guys are watching but the guy has played well since he's been back. He's also creating scoring chances. Just because the guy isn't ripping the puck 150 MPH every time now that means he's not good? How terrible was he when he threw the puck on net and Satan buried the game winner against Pittsburgh? On the game tying goal Tuesday against the Rags, Comrie made an AWESOME PLAY. But guess what... would that play have worked if Chris Campoli or Radek Martinek was playing the point? NO. Comrie's fake-pass to MAB only worked because the when he made the move both Blair Betts and Marc Staal were so paranoid about MAB ripping a bomb that they both moved up to get in his face, which created a gigantic lane that Comrie fed Tank on (I just watched the play over again to make it 100% accurate). Any other pointman and they continue to skate with Comrie and that play probably never happens.

ALSO... the coaching staff has told MAB not to always wind up and rip it because teams are guarding against it. They've been telling him to take a quick wrister and throw it on net and it's creating good chances (the Miro winner against Pitt). Jaffe has said it about 10 times on the telecasts.

Some of you continue to kill him but have no idea just how valuable he is out there, ESPECIALLY with Berard out. Some of you will just never, ever get it.

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Hydroponix18,Nov 8 2007
07:56 PM
Snowman39,Nov 8 2007
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I don't know what some of you guys are watching but the guy has played well since he's been back.  He's also creating scoring chances.  Just because the guy isn't ripping the puck 150 MPH every time now that means he's not good?  How terrible was he when he threw the puck on net and Satan buried the game winner against Pittsburgh?  On the game tying goal Tuesday against the Rags, Comrie made an AWESOME PLAY.  But guess what... would that play have worked if Chris Campoli or Radek Martinek was playing the point?  NO.  Comrie's fake-pass to MAB only worked because the when he made the move both Blair Betts and Marc Staal were so paranoid about MAB ripping a bomb that they both moved up to get in his face, which created a gigantic lane that Comrie fed Tank on (I just watched the play over again to make it 100% accurate).  Any other pointman and they continue to skate with Comrie and that play probably never happens.

ALSO... the coaching staff has told MAB not to always wind up and rip it because teams are guarding against it.  They've been telling him to take a quick wrister and throw it on net and it's creating good chances (the Miro winner against Pitt).  Jaffe has said it about 10 times on the telecasts.

Some of you continue to kill him but have no idea just how valuable he is out there, ESPECIALLY with Berard out.  Some of you will just never, ever get it.

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I dont mind bergeron, but lets get real... he is an offensive talent clearly and so he is gonna have examples of great offensive play that will clearly get him some notice. he has played well recently, however he will likely be inconsistent defensively and that is something that we are gonna have to live with...

But he has been a healthy scratch already a few times this season, so lets not get ahead of ourselves, if I were a betting man I would guess this wont be the last time that he is a healthy scratch this year. If Nolan thinks that he is a worthy of scratching when healthy then you cant sit there and say that some of us will never get it.

I think I get it just fine and Ted Nolan agreed with me ;-)
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If Nolan thinks that he is a worthy of scratching when healthy then you cant sit there and say that some of us will never get it.


Well he was scratched a few games because he was terrible. Now since he's been back he's been good. But the people who "do not get it" are the ones STILL saying he's been terrible when he hasn't. If you do get it, then good for you :thumbsup:
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Snowman39,Nov 8 2007
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If Nolan thinks that he is a worthy of scratching when healthy then you cant sit there and say that some of us will never get it.


Well he was scratched a few games because he was terrible. Now since he's been back he's been good. But the people who "do not get it" are the ones STILL saying he's been terrible when he hasn't. If you do get it, then good for you :thumbsup:

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Do you get it NOW King Glorious???? I thought that point was pretty obvious. The people who have continued to clobber MAB's play SINCE he came back from the benching DON'T GET IT.

Hope this is clear now. :letssee:

BTW people....it is a GOOD THING to have an MAB who is playing better as we get a healthy Berard back later this week. Nothing wrong with competition. MAB saw he had to improve his play or else he loses his spot and he lost it. Now he's improved it.

Berrard saw he had to prove he could play in his own end and he's shown it so far, so he earned a spot.

I don't see how having these guys to push eachother over ice time is a bad thing right now.

Yeah, depth and competition for ice time...what a terrible thing Nolan is creating.
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I wouldn't trade him...not with Johnson out for several weeks. Not to mention that Berard is a health risk all season. The season is too long to start trading D-men already.
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Gonna be tough to find spots for everybody but I think Webby suggested earlier a rotation to keep guys fresh. Probably a little too early for that but at some point that would be excellent.
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Bossy22,Nov 8 2007
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Let him go. He hasn't been able to get his shot off lately because teams are aware of his one asset. I am tired of seeing him make bad decisions with the puck night in and night out. I don't care if his salary is low and I really don't think I care anymore about his potential. D-man like him are a dime a dozen and the Isles need to realize it's time to cut him loose when Berard gets back. Not to mention, he still has to hit the net when he shoots and sometimes the chance of that are about as equal with winning the lottery. I was optomistic when he first came but I'm realizing now why Oiler fans were not upset when he was traded.

Greg Logan seems to disagree with you...

Comrie often held the puck and maneuvered calmly through traffic while trying to create an opening for his teammates to beat Lundqvist. But with the space afforded by a four-on-three power play, Comrie froze the Rangers' defense by faking a pass back to defenseman Marc-Andre Bergeron before delivering the puck to a wide-open Fedotenko for a one-timer in the right circle.[/I]

Seems the RAgs "respect" for MAB's shot opened up space for both Comrie and Tank on the PP, but I guess that is what happens when your PP point man is a "dime a dozen"?
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Snowman39,Nov 8 2007
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Gonna be tough to find spots for everybody but I think Webby suggested earlier a rotation to keep guys fresh. Probably a little too early for that but at some point that would be excellent.

Yeah. When we have those back to back nights, I wouldn't be surprised to see some rotation go on.

As for playing MAB on the 4th line, I think Nolan would still prefer to have an experienced forward or someone with size on the 4th line. Johnson had size and Bootland has experience as a forward. MAB has neither.
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With 11 games in the last 20 days of this month, I could see a rotating system of some D-men to allow some to rest. We play 3 back to back sets of games, one each week, from now to Nov 29th.

Webb.....you have the best idea when it comes to the MAB topic.

I definitely see value in this kid. Let's not forget he's young and is still developing. Rotating him in and in spots where he can succeed would be the way to go IMO.

Plus you never ever know about injuries in this game. This kind of depth can be very valuable.

I say no to using him as a 4th line forward.


But let's not be so hasty in wanting to get rid of him.
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Webb20,Nov 8 2007
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With 11 games in the last 20 days of this month, I could see a rotating system of some D-men to allow some to rest.  We play 3 back to back sets of games, one each week, from now to Nov 29th.

Webb.....you have the best idea when it comes to the MAB topic.

I definitely see value in this kid. Let's not forget he's young and is still developing. Rotating him in and in spots where he can succeed would be the way to go IMO.

Plus you never ever know about injuries in this game. This kind of depth can be very valuable.

I say no to using him as a 4th line forward.


But let's not be so hasty in wanting to get rid of him.

MAB opens up the lower part of the ice for our forwards in the PP. He is very important. If he overcomes his fumbling of the puck when pressured, he can see plenty of icetime. So far since his return he has been stable defensively.
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I apologize if I made it sound like I think he should be gone. I only meant to suggest that I wouldn't want to sit one of our other defensemen to get him into the lineup; in my opinion, Martinek, Witt, Sutton, Campoli, Gervais, and Berard are more important to our team on any particular night than Bergeron, only because Berard gives us a lot of the positives without some of the negatives. But that doesn't mean I think Bergeron should be traded. His shot is invaluable, and creates scoring chances even when it isn't being used; I acknowledged that in my first post.

I was only wondering what people thought would be the best role for Bergeron once Berard comes back. I really like Webb's idea about rotating defensemen. Realistically, we will probably have at least one defenseman injured at a lot of times this season, so this question won't even be important. But when people are healthy, I think it would be smart to use Bergeron as a tool for giving our guys a rest every once in a while.

The idea that Bergeron doesn't have the size Nolan wants on the fourth line makes a lot of sense to me. I'm only thinking of a guy like Jeff Hamilton, who was pretty much on the team to play on the powerplay. But having a gritty fourth line is important, as we've been seeing recently with Jackman's play in the last few games. And Bergeron certainly doesn't provide that better than other people on our team, though I might be persuaded to sacrifice that marginal grit for the cannon Bergeron brings to the ice.

Another issue that comes to mind is the role that Freddy Meyer will play now that we've reclaimed him. If you ask me, I'd rather rotate Meyer in than Bergeron to play the role of the utility defenseman. Meyer is just more solid, and I feel like I'd have to think less about putting him on the ice in any particular situation than Bergeron, who I'd want to reserve for particular situations where I wouldn't expect a great possibility of his being exposed. What do you guys think?
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We have a ton of depth on defense which is the complete opposite of what we had last year. Campoli and Gervais are both really starting to develop into very solid guys in their own end, plus they have been a D-pairing for about 3 or 4 years now.

This is an excellent problem to have, and it's the biggest reason why we're better than we were last season.
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