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The Official You Suck Mark Andre Bergeron Thread
Topic Started: Nov 12 2007, 09:31 PM (2,170 Views)
islander102
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Dr. Generosity,Nov 12 2007
11:11 PM
Thats Nice,Nov 12 2007
10:07 PM
And considering this is the 'Official' thread of MAB suckage, you probably should've spelt his name right. Marc-Adre Bergeron.

Quoi? :blink:

Putting MAB on offense would be interesting, but we'd never see that cannon during a regular shift.

Id rather see MAB's 88 mph wrister that nobody knows is comming, which he would take at forward, rather than the 103 mph cannon that the opposing goaltender can set up for right after he reads an article in the hockey news.

Look at MAB's goal in the rags game in october. You tell me a wristshot that fast, that quick and with that element of suprise that his slapper doesnt have wont be lethal.
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islander102,Nov 12 2007
11:25 PM
Dr. Generosity,Nov 12 2007
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Thats Nice,Nov 12 2007
10:07 PM
And considering this is the 'Official' thread of MAB suckage, you probably should've spelt his name right. Marc-Adre Bergeron.

Quoi? :blink:

Putting MAB on offense would be interesting, but we'd never see that cannon during a regular shift.

Id rather see MAB's 88 mph wrister that nobody knows is comming, which he would take at forward, rather than the 103 mph cannon that the opposing goaltender can set up for right after he reads an article in the hockey news.

Look at MAB's goal in the rags game in october. You tell me a wristshot that fast, that quick and with that element of suprise that his slapper doesnt have wont be lethal.

Id rather see MAB's 88 mph wrister that nobody knows is comming, which he would take at forward, rather than the 103 mph cannon that he can never put on net.

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How about we add 57 more MAB threads? I think that would make the board a lot better...
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He's a miniature version of Sheldon Souray, they both have lethal shots, but suck at D they each get -80 all together a season.

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teknics,Nov 12 2007
10:10 PM




Did MAB shoot the puck into shinpads? Yes. Did the puck leave the zone. Yes, but in many cases he managed to get back.

What really needs to happen is they need to start working on a different power play when it's blatantly obvious to everyone your going to pass to Bergeron. There are many  teams who play a very tight box and don't let a single shot get through while a man down. The coaching staff should see this and make adjustments on the fly - I don't know why we continue to do the same things game after game.

Ricky also needs to settle down a bit on the home-run passes.....because the last attempt pretty started the play that died and lead to a shortie.

One loss and you guys start this crap already?

Yeah. We need to change the 3rd ranked PP in the NHL. The problem was there wasn't any movement of the puck or players. Everyone held the puck to long like COMRIE and no one was moving. Putting the PP fault on MAB is comical considering no one did anything when it was down low and MAB creates space for them.


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I don't know what some of you were watching, but the Second goal was because Gervais and Upshall made contact and Bruno lost his footing, falling and giving Upshall a shot in alone.



Uh....wrong. That goal happened because Campoli was sitting on the flyers blueline flatfooted. You are taught that when the opponent gets clear possession of the puck in their end you get off the blueline and look for players behind you. It is currently known as "gap control". Well Campoli was the strong side (puck side) defender and he NEVER left the blueline. The Flyer's Dman hit Upshall with a pass near the center redline. Gervais, who was the defensemen on the opposite side, had to come across the rink to cover up for Campoli's screwup. No way a breakout pass should catch our defensemen sitting on their blueline with 2 Flyers behind him!!!! but that is what Campoli did. That goal wasn't Gervais' fault. He was trying to cover for Campoli's F up. Otherwise, how do you explain Campoli being an ENTIRE ZONE BEHIND THE PLAY when it was on his side of the ice?

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The short handed goal was the result of Vasicek getting knocked off the puck which caused an odd-man break out when the puck left the zone.


And then it was COMPOUNDED by MAB who tried to pinch to keep the puck in the zone and not only missed the puck, but failed to take the body as well. It was a stupid play to pinch because even if he keeps the puck in, there were no Islanders deep to go get it. In that situation, MAB should have given up the blueline and retreated, just as Campoli should have on the second goal.

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Ricky also needs to settle down a bit on the home-run passes.....because the last attempt pretty started the play that died and lead to a shortie.


Ricky didn't start it. It was started by VAsicek falling down. Blaming Ricky's pass is ridiculous. He hit Vas right on the tape at the red line. Vas carried it to the top of the circle and then turned around and there is where the problems began. Him falling down was his own fault for pulling up in a bad spot with 3 Flyers around him, not because Ricky made a pass. Yeah, it is a terrible thing when a player hits another player on the tape with a pass so he can skate untouched another 40 feet into the offensive zone. Vas just held the puck to long and screwed up.

Before you tell others to "watch the game" make sure you yourself are watching the plays correctly.
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When Marc Andre Bergeron is on the ice, other teams have a weapon at their disposal that can only be described as Niinnimma-esque. :bag:
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MAB has his faults as every player on this team. In our own zone, he doesn't seem to be playing bad defensively. His mistakes are usually made in the offensive zone and I believe alot of that is because he is the focal point. If we started working the puck down low, the pressure on MAB at the point would be much less. He is getting pressured and making bad decisions. It may be partly MAB's fault but it also could be coaching. Teams know MAB has a big shot and they know we try to use it as much as possible. Teams are leaving a guy very high on the point to watch him. This should mean we outnumber them down low.....need to take advantage of that.

Just to be clear, I'm not a fan of MAB and I would much rather see Berard back QB'ing the PP, but at the same time, blaming MAB for the lose last night is absurd.
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Honestly I thought our PP was best when MAB was riding the pine two weeks ago. I thought we were more creative and much less predictable, we moved alot more as a unit. Now it's trying to set up the big shot and you, me, the fans and the defending team knows.

Also, I've never seen so many second chances in our zone as when he's out there. He figures once the guy gets the shot the play is over and doesnt pay any attention to the follow up to the shot by playing D and taking the guy out.

Last year I thought he made our team and our PP more dangerous, I just didnt realize it was us who was in more danger.

I hope when Berard comes back, Marc-Andre can do some more studying from the stands.
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I think a lot of the PP problems are because of MAB. everyone is looking to get him the puck so he can rip a 100 mph shot wide of the net. With him out, they have to be creative, which makes the PP more dangerous. Like I have said all along, this is not a team of defensive defensmen. We need those type of guys immediately, sacrificing a MAB for that is fine by me, it will help Bruno and Camps avoid more nights like this
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Any offensive defenseman worthy of the title is going to cost you some goals against. The position involves risk and the practitioners of the art are simply pretty good at creating more goals than they give up.

Denis Potvin may look perfect in retrospect but I assure you he had off-nights as well. He was not particularly strong, at times, in simply headmanning the puck from behind the Islanders net, for chrissake. And Bryan Berard, the guy who's not being criticized in this thread simply because's he's broken and on the shelf, has had some brutal nights as well.

Listen, you could get rid of MAB and his ilk, and have six Andy Suttons or Joe Reekies or whatever on the ice. But good luck getting sustained goal scoring and a strong power play with only three guys taking chances on offense. Let's just support the guy and if he can't adapt to tighter checking, then we can explore putting him on the wing or worse yet, another team.
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Snowman39,Nov 12 2007
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How about we add 57 more MAB threads? I think that would make the board a lot better...

Well, with each Islander loss, the board is programmed to throw up 5 "new" MAB threads and then it takes our old posts and recycles them in the new and not-so interesting ways.

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Webb20,Nov 13 2007
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Honestly I thought our PP was best when MAB was riding the pine two weeks ago. I thought we were more creative and much less predictable, we moved alot more as a unit. Now it's trying to set up the big shot and you, me, the fans and the defending team knows.

Also, I've never seen so many second chances in our zone as when he's out there. He figures once the guy gets the shot the play is over and doesnt pay any attention to the follow up to the shot by playing D and taking the guy out.

Last year I thought he made our team and our PP more dangerous, I just didnt realize it was us who was in more danger.

I hope when Berard comes back, Marc-Andre can do some more studying from the stands.

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Dr. Generosity,Nov 13 2007
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Any offensive defenseman worthy of the title is going to cost you some goals against. The position involves risk and the practitioners of the art are simply pretty good at creating more goals than they give up.

Denis Potvin may look perfect in retrospect but I assure you he had off-nights as well. He was not particularly strong, at times, in simply headmanning the puck from behind the Islanders net, for chrissake. And Bryan Berard, the guy who's not being criticized in this thread simply because's he's broken and on the shelf, has had some brutal nights as well.

Listen, you could get rid of MAB and his ilk, and have six Andy Suttons or Joe Reekies or whatever on the ice. But good luck getting sustained goal scoring and a strong power play with only three guys taking chances on offense. Let's just support the guy and if he can't adapt to tighter checking, then we can explore putting him on the wing or worse yet, another team.

who said that? ONE MAB FOR ONE Defensive defensmen, how does that turn into getting rid of berard, campoli and gervais?

Also sutton is far from a defensive dman. He's a banger, and his D was awful to start this season, it looks a little better now, but he's still not there yet.
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I think you still have to give this guy some time....there is too much upside to just through him away....He is still young. Two weeks ago people wanted to get rid of Hilbert? Last year people wanted Hunter to be traded....If the guy did not have the speed or the shot, I would not be pulling for him.....but he does.
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I heard we traded him for Brad Isbister :wub:

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Look, the guy telegraphs his slapshot so it gets blocked more than it gets through. He is a defensive liability, not from a skating standpoint, but from his decision making. He decided to pinch last night which was a MISTAKE and it led to a 2 on 1 goal, and ultimately it turned out to be the GAME WINNER.

Yes, his shot is great. WHEN he gets it off and WHEN it hits the net, which is about 40% of the time.

Everybody has an opinion and he cost us the game last night, IMO, plain and simple. And he has cost us all along.

It is time to figure out whether his benefits or downside have more weight. I think that his downside is winning right now.

Botom line, if he doesn't pull yet ANOTHER BONEHEAD PLAY we at least tie them. Instead, we walk away with zero points and it is all on him.

I know there will be disagreements, but somebody please tell me what he has done that is positive so far?

Make the move, this guy is a liability.
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It's abundantely clear that this guy has to go. He offers very little and is a huge liability on his own end. I don't care how old the guy is he is just not very good.
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