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The Official You Suck Mark Andre Bergeron Thread
Topic Started: Nov 12 2007, 09:31 PM (2,169 Views)
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rifleman22,Nov 13 2007
10:48 AM
Look, the guy telegraphs his slapshot so it gets blocked more than it gets through. He is a defensive liability, not from a skating standpoint, but from his decision making. He decided to pinch last night which was a MISTAKE and it led to a 2 on 1 goal, and ultimately it turned out to be the GAME WINNER.

Yes, his shot is great. WHEN he gets it off and WHEN it hits the net, which is about 40% of the time.

Everybody has an opinion and he cost us the game last night, IMO, plain and simple. And he has cost us all along.

It is time to figure out whether his benefits or downside have more weight. I think that his downside is winning right now.

Botom line, if he doesn't pull yet ANOTHER BONEHEAD PLAY we at least tie them. Instead, we walk away with zero points and it is all on him.

I know there will be disagreements, but somebody please tell me what he has done that is positive so far?

Make the move, this guy is a liability.

team mistakes cost us, not one player.
fedotenko was being hounded when he coughed up the puck behind the net,
Bergeron made some mistakes that cost us this time.

there were plenty of other mistakes that were easily forgotten because
the Flyers didn't skate back down and score.

bergeron's game can be tweaked to limit those mistakes but it seems very easy
to make him a scapegoat when we lose a close one.

The guy has been playing pretty well and both he and Sutton both had a great game against the Devs
the other night but now we should bench or trade him?

Come on Islander fans, I cannot believe this. We're a better team with him.
The opposing teams practices to try and expose his weaknesses, our Islanders practice
to take advantage of his strenghs. He made some mistakes, fine, practice hard MAB and
do your thing next game.


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Andy,Nov 13 2007
12:30 AM
MAB = :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: + :cup:

How many cups does Souray have?
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brafft,Nov 13 2007
11:10 AM
I think you still have to give this guy some time....there is too much upside to just through him away....He is still young. Two weeks ago people wanted to get rid of Hilbert? Last year people wanted Hunter to be traded....If the guy did not have the speed or the shot, I would not be pulling for him.....but he does.

isn't this his second team...how much time does he need to fully comprhend DEFENSE?
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lifirefighter,Nov 13 2007
09:47 AM

who said that? ONE MAB FOR ONE Defensive defensmen, how does that turn into getting rid of berard, campoli and gervais?


You're right. It's a strawman argument. :bag: :D

What I was trying to say (albeit somewhat inarticulately) is that the criticism of MAB here could be applied to any offensive defenseman depending on the week/time . . . Campoli, Martinek, etc. It's just that MAB has a particularly high risk-reward ratio. Whatever some folks care to think today, he has undeniably strong offensive skills---literally the fastest skater and hardest shot on the team, both being key skills. Learning to use the wrister,more often, disguising his shot, and faking more slappers would raise his skills even further. Hey, he plays a risky game. My hope is that we have enough workers and lunchpail guys to balance him out.

As for MAB costing us the game, there were sixteen minutes left to play when the goal occurred (if I recall correctly) and it was a one-goal loss. Personally I think there's plenty of blame to go around (DP was not stellar, to put it mildly) but way too much negativity in general here.
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i still want hilbert gone.

As for this whole MAB thing.... :deadhorse:
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hilbert makes up for the defense of MAB.:thumbsup:

and MAB makes up for the offense of hilbert :thumbsup:


Ah, TEAMWORK! ;)
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LEDZEP,Nov 12 2007
09:48 PM
Mark Andre Bergeron slap shot is a lethal weapon

And all NHL teams are envious :punk: :punk: :punk:

Goalies quake with fear.
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Hardlee Playinoff,Nov 13 2007
12:46 PM
LEDZEP,Nov 12 2007
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Mark Andre Bergeron slap shot is a lethal weapon

And all NHL teams are envious :punk:  :punk:  :punk:

Goalies quake with fear.

:punk: :punk: :punk:
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Hardlee Playinoff,Nov 13 2007
12:46 PM
LEDZEP,Nov 12 2007
09:48 PM
Mark Andre Bergeron slap shot is a lethal weapon

And all NHL teams are envious :punk:  :punk:  :punk:

Goalies quake with fear.

or laughter one or the other
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Someone take Bergeron in a room and show him some video of Al MacInnis on the power play, with what to do with a booming shot. You can learn from the best. That's what Paul Coffey did watching Denis Potvin in the Stanley Cup in 83. Potvin was nice and relaxed with the puck, and getting the puck out of his own defensive zone.
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03:13 PM
Mark Andre Bergeron :punk: :punk: :punk:

Mark Andre Bergeron ROCKS!!! :punk: :punk:

Marc-Andre Bergeron Sucks :sick: :puke:
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Islander4cups,Nov 13 2007
12:36 AM
teknics,Nov 12 2007
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Did MAB shoot the puck into shinpads? Yes. Did the puck leave the zone. Yes, but in many cases he managed to get back.

What really needs to happen is they need to start working on a different power play when it's blatantly obvious to everyone your going to pass to Bergeron. There are many  teams who play a very tight box and don't let a single shot get through while a man down. The coaching staff should see this and make adjustments on the fly - I don't know why we continue to do the same things game after game.

Ricky also needs to settle down a bit on the home-run passes.....because the last attempt pretty started the play that died and lead to a shortie.

One loss and you guys start this crap already?

Yeah. We need to change the 3rd ranked PP in the NHL. The problem was there wasn't any movement of the puck or players. Everyone held the puck to long like COMRIE and no one was moving. Putting the PP fault on MAB is comical considering no one did anything when it was down low and MAB creates space for them.


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I don't know what some of you were watching, but the Second goal was because Gervais and Upshall made contact and Bruno lost his footing, falling and giving Upshall a shot in alone.



Uh....wrong. That goal happened because Campoli was sitting on the flyers blueline flatfooted. You are taught that when the opponent gets clear possession of the puck in their end you get off the blueline and look for players behind you. It is currently known as "gap control". Well Campoli was the strong side (puck side) defender and he NEVER left the blueline. The Flyer's Dman hit Upshall with a pass near the center redline. Gervais, who was the defensemen on the opposite side, had to come across the rink to cover up for Campoli's screwup. No way a breakout pass should catch our defensemen sitting on their blueline with 2 Flyers behind him!!!! but that is what Campoli did. That goal wasn't Gervais' fault. He was trying to cover for Campoli's F up. Otherwise, how do you explain Campoli being an ENTIRE ZONE BEHIND THE PLAY when it was on his side of the ice?

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The short handed goal was the result of Vasicek getting knocked off the puck which caused an odd-man break out when the puck left the zone.


And then it was COMPOUNDED by MAB who tried to pinch to keep the puck in the zone and not only missed the puck, but failed to take the body as well. It was a stupid play to pinch because even if he keeps the puck in, there were no Islanders deep to go get it. In that situation, MAB should have given up the blueline and retreated, just as Campoli should have on the second goal.

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Ricky also needs to settle down a bit on the home-run passes.....because the last attempt pretty started the play that died and lead to a shortie.


Ricky didn't start it. It was started by VAsicek falling down. Blaming Ricky's pass is ridiculous. He hit Vas right on the tape at the red line. Vas carried it to the top of the circle and then turned around and there is where the problems began. Him falling down was his own fault for pulling up in a bad spot with 3 Flyers around him, not because Ricky made a pass. Yeah, it is a terrible thing when a player hits another player on the tape with a pass so he can skate untouched another 40 feet into the offensive zone. Vas just held the puck to long and screwed up.

Before you tell others to "watch the game" make sure you yourself are watching the plays correctly.

All I was trying to say was we need to switch the power play up when its not working against that team, not completely change it.


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Webb20,Nov 13 2007
09:57 AM
Honestly I thought our PP was best when MAB was riding the pine two weeks ago. I thought we were more creative and much less predictable, we moved alot more as a unit. Now it's trying to set up the big shot and you, me, the fans and the defending team knows.

Also, I've never seen so many second chances in our zone as when he's out there. He figures once the guy gets the shot the play is over and doesnt pay any attention to the follow up to the shot by playing D and taking the guy out.

Last year I thought he made our team and our PP more dangerous, I just didnt realize it was us who was in more danger.

I hope when Berard comes back, Marc-Andre can do some more studying from the stands.

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The guy has been a defensive liability his whole career. It got him run out of Edm and he's been a train wreck defensively since he's been here. His shot is the only reason he's still in the league.

Oh, did I mention he's horrible.
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Islander4cups,Nov 13 2007
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teknics,Nov 12 2007
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Did MAB shoot the puck into shinpads? Yes. Did the puck leave the zone. Yes, but in many cases he managed to get back.

What really needs to happen is they need to start working on a different power play when it's blatantly obvious to everyone your going to pass to Bergeron. There are many  teams who play a very tight box and don't let a single shot get through while a man down. The coaching staff should see this and make adjustments on the fly - I don't know why we continue to do the same things game after game.

Ricky also needs to settle down a bit on the home-run passes.....because the last attempt pretty started the play that died and lead to a shortie.

One loss and you guys start this crap already?

Yeah. We need to change the 3rd ranked PP in the NHL. The problem was there wasn't any movement of the puck or players. Everyone held the puck to long like COMRIE and no one was moving. Putting the PP fault on MAB is comical considering no one did anything when it was down low and MAB creates space for them.


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I don't know what some of you were watching, but the Second goal was because Gervais and Upshall made contact and Bruno lost his footing, falling and giving Upshall a shot in alone.



Uh....wrong. That goal happened because Campoli was sitting on the flyers blueline flatfooted. You are taught that when the opponent gets clear possession of the puck in their end you get off the blueline and look for players behind you. It is currently known as "gap control". Well Campoli was the strong side (puck side) defender and he NEVER left the blueline. The Flyer's Dman hit Upshall with a pass near the center redline. Gervais, who was the defensemen on the opposite side, had to come across the rink to cover up for Campoli's screwup. No way a breakout pass should catch our defensemen sitting on their blueline with 2 Flyers behind him!!!! but that is what Campoli did. That goal wasn't Gervais' fault. He was trying to cover for Campoli's F up. Otherwise, how do you explain Campoli being an ENTIRE ZONE BEHIND THE PLAY when it was on his side of the ice?

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The short handed goal was the result of Vasicek getting knocked off the puck which caused an odd-man break out when the puck left the zone.


And then it was COMPOUNDED by MAB who tried to pinch to keep the puck in the zone and not only missed the puck, but failed to take the body as well. It was a stupid play to pinch because even if he keeps the puck in, there were no Islanders deep to go get it. In that situation, MAB should have given up the blueline and retreated, just as Campoli should have on the second goal.

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Ricky also needs to settle down a bit on the home-run passes.....because the last attempt pretty started the play that died and lead to a shortie.


Ricky didn't start it. It was started by VAsicek falling down. Blaming Ricky's pass is ridiculous. He hit Vas right on the tape at the red line. Vas carried it to the top of the circle and then turned around and there is where the problems began. Him falling down was his own fault for pulling up in a bad spot with 3 Flyers around him, not because Ricky made a pass. Yeah, it is a terrible thing when a player hits another player on the tape with a pass so he can skate untouched another 40 feet into the offensive zone. Vas just held the puck to long and screwed up.

Before you tell others to "watch the game" make sure you yourself are watching the plays correctly.

Why does it seem like every single post you put up as a reaction to a quote starts out with "Wrong" or "That's not right?"
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If you're going to start a demeaning thread about the guy, at least spell his first name correctly. M-A-R-C

Face it, the Isles will lose every now and again. The Isles made plenty of stupid mistakes that cost them the game. You can't honestly blame the whole thing on Bergeron. Drink a beer, you'll feel better.
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MAB :head bang: and his spotty play hasn't been just this past game but he is responsible for clutch goals for the opposition. Not to say he is terrible, because he is not as bad as some other Isles d-men, but as we all know MAB has no defensive game whatsoever. MAB gets caught so many times being in too deep which leads to breakaways :doh: . He did it several times in that blowout vs. Carolina as well. Bring on Berard!
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