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MAB
Topic Started: Nov 22 2007, 06:00 PM (550 Views)
IslesFan89
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Does anyone else feel he should be in the lineup? I mean our power play has struggled say what you want about him defensevely but the guy was brought here to blast pucks from the blueline. He should be in the lineup. Pairing him and Berard would help out the power play. He was involved in most of those game winning goals we had a week ago. I just think he should be in the lineup over someone like Jackman. You could even put him as a forward on the 4th line just to blast shots and send everyone else to the front of the net. Either way Happy Thanksgiving Everyone and Let's go Islanders.
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Lbeach14
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I was thinking the same thing. Our PP needs him out there WITH Berard, not one or the other.
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Screw MAB. He's a complete liability.
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Tinman31
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Oh my! Talk about 1 game over-reaction.

NO I don't think he should be in there and I don't speak for all but I speak for a lot.

He played when our PP was bad, it will get turned around. He is a mistake waiting to happen (right now at least) and sitting out 2 weeks won't help him get in a groove.
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Lbeach14
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Oh my! Talk about 1 game over-reaction.


1 game? Have you watched our PP at all as of late? You want to call MAB a liability, how about the fact that his defensive mistakes are going to cost us alot less games then if our PP goes 0-X? He needs to be in the lineup OR something else has to be changed because the PP is plain not getting it done right now. Were 1-20 in our last 5 games, with the 1 being Tank's goal against the Rags which has nothing to do with the PP. Time to get back to what works, he doesn't need to play a second of 5 on 5 but the powerplay needs him.
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Tinman31
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No one said this when we won 4 in a row to start the month or our last 2.

He played plenty of games where the PP wasn't good. I mean one game after losing to Canadiens.

We want to play a tight defensive style and win 2-1 and 3-2, sure we want more goals but Berard will handle it and the PP will get going. MAB leads to odd man rushes time and time again.

ALSO doesn't it show you something when the head coach clearly thinks he is a 7th D- Man!
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Lbeach14,Nov 22 2007
08:03 PM
Time to get back to what works, he doesn't need to play a second of 5 on 5 but the powerplay needs him.

what works? MAB wasn't doing anything on the PP that is why he is sitting right now. add that to his horrible defensive play and there is no need for him to play right now. Remember berard has only been back for 3 games or so.
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what works? MAB wasn't doing anything on the PP that is why he is sitting right now. add that to his horrible defensive play and there is no need for him to play right now. Remember berard has only been back for 3 games or so.


What worked was Berard QBing the PP and having MAB's shot on the other side. Right now there is no difference from when we had just Poti on the top. There has to be a shooter on the other side end of story, if we are not going to give MAB another chance with Berard on the PP we need somebody else with a shot on the other side.
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I wouldn't mind Ted giving him one more chance before pulling the trigger.
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OK...here we go again.

First, the current issues with our PP are not because of the pointmen. It is the forwards. You will know if our PP is going to work in the first 4 seconds after we cross the center red line. Just check to see if our forwards have any speed thru the neutral zone. In the past 2 weeks, they've had no speed and when Campy, MAB or Berard dump it in, no one is going balz out to go retrieve the puck. It is impossible to set up the PP without the puck. On the PP, Hunter, Comrie, Sillinger, Guerin, Tank have not done a solid job of battling for pucks on the dump in and establishing possession. Without possession, you can't score.

Second, when we have gotten possession, our forwards are not moving. We have been settling for perimeter shots (from both the point and forwards) and have not been moving down low. No movement of people also means slow movement of the puck. When the puck moves slowly and players hold on to it too long, it allows the D to shift and then get set. We aren't keeping the D moving because we aren't moving the puck crisply and moving the D does 3 things...
1- it opens passing & shooting lanes when the defense has to move
2- it causes shifting Dmen to leave someone open down low
3- IT EXHAUSTS THE PK MEN. In a study by USA hockey, they said at the international level 80% of all PP goals happen in the last 30 seconds of a PP...why? PKers are tired.

Very little of this has to do with MAB or Berard. The forwards need to move it. However, when MAB is on the PP, it requires the second PK forward to remain high, opening the high slot or Berard. Campoli doesn't draw that much respect.

The point isn't the problem on the PP right now. It is the forwards. They need to recover loose pucks and they aren't.
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Lbeach14,Nov 22 2007
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What worked was Berard QBing the PP and having MAB's shot on the other side. Right now there is no difference from when we had just Poti on the top. There has to be a shooter on the other side end of story, if we are not going to give MAB another chance with Berard on the PP we need somebody else with a shot on the other side.

thats two inept people on D at the point. we'd be giving up shorties left and right. i don't recall berard EVER out there with mab on the pp
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lifirefighter,Nov 22 2007
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Lbeach14,Nov 22 2007
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What worked was Berard QBing the PP and having MAB's shot on the other side. Right now there is no difference from when we had just Poti on the top. There has to be a shooter on the other side end of story, if we are not going to give MAB another chance with Berard on the PP we need somebody else with a shot on the other side.

thats two inept people on D at the point. we'd be giving up shorties left and right. i don't recall berard EVER out there with mab on the pp

Try when we were carrying 7 DMen right after signed Berard, they were both out there on the point. Campoli and Gervis were the second pairing.
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thats two inept people on D at the point. we'd be giving up shorties left and right. i don't recall berard EVER out there with mab on the pp


First Ranger game? Berard's purpose was supposed to be to fill in as the new QB not take MAB's spot. As somebody said before though we are not getting control and moving well either on the PP, that is a changeable thing that will come and go , if the wrong personal is out there though, theres a problem.
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last season he was a monster for us... let him work out the kinks on the ice ..the coaching staff im sure can help him out.. hes got the best slap shot on the team.. he needs to play.. pair him up with a defensive defenseman like witt and lets roll.. our team is struggling offensively... he provides offense... get him on the point..
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Special11k
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You can teach defense and positioning... you cannot teach a 100mph slapshot from the point.
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You want to call MAB a liability, how about the fact that his defensive mistakes are going to cost us alot less games then if our PP goes 0-X?


i'm sorry this statement couldn't be more wrong, a defense plays all game, while power play time is extremely sporadic.. and even if you do get a power play, the best power plays in the league work only about 20-23% of the time.

put it this way you can score 100 goals, but you'll still lose the game if you let in 101. team defense is MUCH more importantthan the power play.. yea power play success is nice, but effective defense is something that will be there nightly.

if MAB can't do his first job, which is to play defense.. then he should not be playing at all. players like that in the long run hurt more than they help.

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Time to get back to what works, he doesn't need to play a second of 5 on 5 but the powerplay needs him.


the problem is if you throw him back in the line up he will need to be in a position to take a regular shift. you can try to limit his ice time, but that means other guys will have to take on more minutes. over the grind of an 82 game season this will take it's toll on the team.

if you want to experiment with MAB as a forward who works the point on the power play fine go for it. but if you want him in his natural position at defenseman either Nolan will have to roll 7 D (which almost never works over the course of an entire season) or MAB will have to improve his defensive game enough to earn a spot over someone who currently has a regular spot.

i agree with Islander4cups here regarding the power play (might be maybe the 4th time i've agreed with him ever :P ). the issue really is the forwards. the forwards are either too far spread out, getting outworked along the boards, or are just trying to do too much individually.

another thing i noticed with the team as a whole lately both even strength and on the man advantage is that they're in bad position to bury rebounds. too often are they too deep in to the slot or too close cluttered in front of the net.. a shot from the point will get stopped more often than not, the reason they are successful is good traffic in front of the net or the forwards being in good position to bury a rebound.

the power play as a whole is out of sync, but i do feel the point men have been doing a suitable job circulating the puck for the forwards. puck movement, hard work, and causing chaos in the slot can be just as effective as a hard shot from the point.. the difference is that a PK can key on a hard shot, but they can't key on the other 3 things i just mentioned.

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You can teach defense and positioning...

then why hasn't MAB learned it yet?

the other issue with MAB is that he has no poise with the puck at all.. every time the puck is on his stick blade you would think the puck is a hand grenade.


"We're not in a bind at all," Burke said. "I'd say of the 29 teams, we don't talk to Edmonton, so of the 28 other teams, there's plenty of interest in making this predicament go away. I could hang up the phone and solve this."
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EricN11,Nov 22 2007
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i agree with Islander4cups here regarding the power play (might be maybe the 4th time i've agreed with him ever :P ).

Then you are getting smarter as that number increases :rofl: Just teasing ;) ;) ;) :cheers:
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