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Topic Started: Nov 26 2007, 09:49 PM (1,123 Views)
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I don't mind not scoring if we are winning, HOWEVER, I will admit that the majority of games over the last few weeks have been a bit too "boring" for my liking. While I can appreciate our consistent, responsible defensive system, it has been frustrating to feel like we are NO threat in the offensive zone. The team has struggled moving the puck through the neutral zone...they have been below average completing clean passes and finding open lanes.
Obviously the scoring drought is directly amplified by the loss of an effective PP...which I am hoping is just a "funk" that will pass once they get some confidence back (or at least some bodies in front of the net duh!!).
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sybo,Nov 27 2007
09:51 AM
I don't mind not scoring if we are winning, HOWEVER, I will admit that the majority of games over the last few weeks have been a bit too "boring" for my liking. While I can appreciate our consistent, responsible defensive system, it has been frustrating to feel like we are NO threat in the offensive zone. The team has struggled moving the puck through the neutral zone...they have been below average completing clean passes and finding open lanes.
Obviously the scoring drought is directly amplified by the loss of an effective PP...which I am hoping is just a "funk" that will pass once they get some confidence back (or at least some bodies in front of the net duh!!).

I wouldn't say we're NO threat, they have been getting some chances. They just aren't going IN the net. I think alot of it has to do with team speed/chemistry. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth to get into the nuetral/offensive zone. This seems to change at a game by game pace. Consistancy is going to be key down the stretch and its Guerin/Sillinger/Comrie step up, Ted is going to start making the Defensemen skate more into the offensive zone(which i havent seen much of lately) to suppliment our scoring. But, that mentality will also lead to more goals against as well.
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Some people may jump all over me for saying this, but most of our forwards are playing up to the limits of their talents and production levels, if not more, and unfortunately, it just might not be enough when all is said and done. Vasicek might be the only one who will really have a big time break out year. Fedotenko historically has been a 20-20 guy, and he will knock in plenty of goals this year, but he has never scored 80 points. Same with Comrie, who might actually have his best NHL season this year for us, but might not be our next Pierre Turgeon.

The key for the team is balanced scoring, and if there are a few guys or even a whole line that is cold, than it puts alot of pressure on the other lines. We do not have a Sidney Crosby/Vincent Lecavalier who will score 100 points, so that's why they need all three lines, if not four lines, to contribute. The team's defense has been strong, and Ricky will keep them in a lot of games, but when there's a few minutes left in the third and the team is down 2-1, they'll need different guys to step up.
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totallypucked,Nov 27 2007
10:26 AM
Some people may jump all over me for saying this, but most of our forwards are playing up to the limits of their talents and production levels, if not more, and unfortunately, it just might not be enough when all is said and done. Vasicek might be the only one who will really have a big time break out year. Fedotenko historically has been a 20-20 guy, and he will knock in plenty of goals this year, but he has never scored 80 points. Same with Comrie, who might actually have his best NHL season this year for us, but might not be our next Pierre Turgeon. 

I think you hit the nail on the head. I said before the season that Comrie-Guerin-Fedotenko is a great number 2 line on most teams and likely would be one of the weakest number 1 lines. Their career numbers are what they are. The games we're winning are the type we will have to continue to win if we are to make the playoffs. We'll have to continue to get great goaltending and we need to the PP to play like it did in the first month. If our PP can contribute, then we could get closer to 3 goals a game, not 2, and have some sustained success.
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Agreed, the Islanders are a very deep team, but we lack a first line, it's been like that for a while. They'd be a dominant team with this defensive effort, this depth, this goalie, if they only had one or two big time scorers. There aren't too many teams that have this depth.

It would be just incredible if we had a bonifide first line (and we have the cap room for it), it's just not something that's easy to get. Just think of all these 1 goal games, if we just had ONE more goal, wow, it'd be tough to lose...
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We've lacked a legitimate first line for the last five years.......let's face it.
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puckhead,Nov 27 2007
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We've lacked a legitimate first line for the last five years.......let's face it.

Well, I think we all know that...
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puckhead,Nov 27 2007
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We've lacked a legitimate first line for the last five years.......let's face it.

Might be longer than that. Poor Ziggy Palffy was playing with guys like Travis Green, Derek King, and Wendel Clark.
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I say we trade the whole bunch in and get a new team. eh

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25% of the season done, we are almost on pace for 100 points! This team is still coming together, and hopefully they will score more. The team defense is keeping us in games, and Ricky has cut way down on the soft goals. We need to get more shots from dangerous areas, and get bodies in the right areas for rebounds and deflections. This only applies in the other teams end, however!
A better team than last year, IMHO.
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Maybe we can get Pat LaFontaine to unretire and headline the power play. I just want a goal scorer I can call an Islander. 60...50... even 40 a year for a few years in a row. Is that too much to ask?
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In addition to Tank and Guerin matching their historical numbers we need 30-35 from Miro, 20-25 from Vasicek, Sillinger and Hunter. We also need 10+ from Park, Bergie, Simon, Campoli, Bergeron, Berard and Hilbert. That would balance our scoring out.

Everyone has to chip in to avg 3 goals a night.

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dragoneye,Nov 27 2007
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Maybe we can get Pat LaFontaine to unretire and headline the power play. I just want a goal scorer I can call an Islander. 60...50... even 40 a year for a few years in a row. Is that too much to ask?

Thats a ton to ask dude... goals numbers in the 40's is considered FANTASTIC! and you want 50-60? A player of that calibur such as crosby/ovechkin/Lecav do not come often and when they do, they usually get paid 8+....GOMEZ got that much and he's nowhere near the talent level of the guys i just mentioned.

So, in short, Yes it's a lot to ask. I'll be Giddy if Okposo becomes a 60-70 POINT guy... Other than that, were gonna have to find a way to win without a shining star.
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Webb20,Nov 27 2007
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In addition to Tank and Guerin matching their historical numbers we need 30-35 from Miro, 20-25 from Vasicek, Sillinger and Hunter. We also need 10+ from Park, Bergie, Simon, Campoli, Bergeron, Berard and Hilbert. That would balance our scoring out.

Everyone has to chip in to avg 3 goals a night.

That sounds about right Webb, i dont think all of our "2nd Tier" guys are going to produce... I can tell u right now Sillinger or Hunter arent even gonna come close to 30 goals this year, if 25.
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Comrie (+pick?) -> Iginla?
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Andy,Nov 27 2007
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Comrie (+pick?) -> Iginla?

If you had Iginla on your team, would you do that?

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Hydroponix18,Nov 27 2007
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Webb20,Nov 27 2007
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In addition to Tank and Guerin matching their historical numbers we need 30-35 from Miro, 20-25 from Vasicek, Sillinger and Hunter.  We also need 10+ from Park, Bergie, Simon, Campoli, Bergeron, Berard and Hilbert.    That would balance our scoring out.

Everyone has to chip in to avg 3 goals a night.

That sounds about right Webb, i dont think all of our "2nd Tier" guys are going to produce... I can tell u right now Sillinger or Hunter arent even gonna come close to 30 goals this year, if 25.

I would hope the Isles are figuring 20-25 from both Hunter and Sillinger. That's the number I put them at and think it's reasonable with 60 games left.

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Andy
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And hey, if Hilbert can chip in more now... say 10g? That would be nice. And if MAB works on his shot (or more importantly, faking shot), the PP can score more. And when Guerin, Fedotekno and Comrie wake up, that should be a return to higher scoring. Keep Satan with Vasicek and not Bergenheim... and we'll see what happens as Bates gets back.

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I think the thing we're missing is that Nolan doesn't want a scorer on this team. I personally think it's a mistake, but I'm not the coach, and he HAS done a pretty good job so far.
Having an ENTIRE team of "lunchbucket" guys is Nolan's vision of a hockey team. I just don't know if that works in today's game.
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Webb20,Nov 27 2007
11:49 AM
In addition to Tank and Guerin matching their historical numbers we need 30-35 from Miro, 20-25 from Vasicek, Sillinger and Hunter. We also need 10+ from Park, Bergie, Simon, Campoli, Bergeron, Berard and Hilbert. That would balance our scoring out.

Everyone has to chip in to avg 3 goals a night.

Sillinger doesn't look capable this year of doing that Nick, IMO. He just doesn't seem to have any zip in his step.
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