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Topic Started: Nov 26 2007, 09:49 PM (1,121 Views)
puckhead
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Bottom line: This team has no super star or a guy that can put up 35 goals and 75+ points year after year. And its something they've really lacked since letting Palffy go.

Those types of players cost big bucks and its something I feel the franchise isn't interested in doing. I think if they get the new arena they'll follow that type of plan of getting a big star.......but until then, expect grind it out type of players.
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puckhead,Nov 28 2007
06:27 AM
Bottom line: This team has no super star or a guy that can put up 35 goals and 75+ points year after year. And its something they've really lacked since letting Palffy go.

Those types of players cost big bucks and its something I feel the franchise isn't interested in doing. I think if they get the new arena they'll follow that type of plan of getting a big star.......but until then, expect grind it out type of players.

Puckhead, the last legitmate scorer may have been palffy... but I dont think we are uninterested in signing those types of players, afterall we gave yashin a billion dollars to be that player but it didnt work out, and we gave a real push for Ryan smyth - he just wanted to go elsewhere.

Until we are a franchise that guys want to play for (and Id lke to think we are headed that way) then it will clearly be difficult for us to sign the superstars because there will always be competition from places that are clearly more desirable.
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puckhead,Nov 28 2007
06:27 AM
Bottom line:  This team has no super star or a guy that can put up 35 goals and 75+ points year after year.  And its something they've really lacked since letting Palffy go.

We signed one of these guys a few years back. Unfortunately, Miro Satan isn't quite delivering on expectations either. However, it's hard to fault him when there are no centers feeding him.

I don't care about multimillion dollar players, what we really need, and have lacked since Turgeon or arguably Reichel, is a real PLAYMAKING CENTER. Someone who scores on occasion but racks up the assists on a regular basis. Remember how Turgeon would gain the blueline, hesitate, draw two defenders to him, and then dish off the puck to a rushing winger (often named Kinger)? That's what we desperately need to get the offense on track.

We've been depending on Yashins and Comries to fill the #1 center role, but those guys are better at lighting the lamp themselves than setting up plays.
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Dr. Generosity,Nov 27 2007
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totallypucked,Nov 27 2007
10:26 AM
Some people may jump all over me for saying this, but most of our forwards are playing up to the limits of their talents and production levels, if not more, and unfortunately, it just might not be enough when all is said and done.

Too true. This team wasn't designed to clinch the playoffs early.

Personally, I believe the the team was designed to give the fans a respectable, entertaining product while Wang and Reckson try to lock down a new arena deal. Aside from March and April 2007, that has been the real goal of the franchise for quite a few years. Not the Cup, just a new home. I'm not happy about it, but I think it's the truth, and I can understand Wang's priorities given the amount of money he's spending.

In my opinion, to build a really successful squad with a balanced and focused offense, either we spend a lot more money and get back to the cap by signing a few front-tier players, or we rebuild by grinding our way through a few fairly bad seasons. Right now I see no indication that our hockey ops people are looking at either of these options. Hence we have a lot of one-goal games in our future. Hopefully.

Why is everybody so negative because we are in a bit of a scoring slump.... last I checked despite our inability to score recently we still have a pretty good record. Let me teach everybody something about the law if averages...

If you average 3 goals per game - that doesnt mean that you score three goals every game. It means that some games you score 1-2 and some games 3-4-5... and then you average it all together and presto.

Ottawa and detriot will go through there scoring slumps also as do the yankees and even the patriots (well maybe not the patriots).

This is not a superpowered offensive team, but we are solid defensively and we have one of the best coaches and goalies in hockey. We will get hot and start to score some goals and go on a little streak sooner or later.
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king glorious,Nov 28 2007
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puckhead,Nov 28 2007
06:27 AM
Bottom line:  This team has no super star or a guy that can put up 35 goals and 75+ points year after year.  And its something they've really lacked since letting Palffy go.

Those types of players cost big bucks and its something I feel the franchise isn't interested in doing.  I think if they get the new arena they'll follow that type of plan of getting a big star.......but until then, expect grind it out type of players.

Puckhead, the last legitmate scorer may have been palffy... but I dont think we are uninterested in signing those types of players, afterall we gave yashin a billion dollars to be that player but it didnt work out, and we gave a real push for Ryan smyth - he just wanted to go elsewhere.

Until we are a franchise that guys want to play for (and Id lke to think we are headed that way) then it will clearly be difficult for us to sign the superstars because there will always be competition from places that are clearly more desirable.

King.......the franchise has shyed away from those big contracts that it takes to sign talented star players who score in bunches......and by big contracts I mean over 5 or 6 mill that it takes to lure these markee guys. The only exception being Smyth who wanted to walk any way. Yashin's time here I think had an impact on this franchise's thinking paying big stars.

I think recruiting is a factor as well........But if guys are praising the hell out of Nolan as those who play for him do.........why not come here? And try to restore a proud tradition? I don't want to hear about the arena being the reason players don't come here......that's weak. It's a factor I'm sure but shouldn't be the main factor for not coming here.
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You just have to look at the two goals Modano scored on Monday. His first goal was a pinpoint laser and the winner was a goalscorer finding the puck and putting it home.

I really feel we need someone like that. Great cycling of the puck will lead to some goals, I'm not arguing that, but so does a playmaker.
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By and large I like the team Nolan and Snow have put together.......but this is one area we really lack.

Every team must have one or two offensive guys who are a constant scoring threat. We just don't have any.
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puckhead,Nov 28 2007
09:14 AM
By and large I like the team Nolan and Snow have put together.......but this is one area we really lack.

Every team must have one or two offensive guys who are a constant scoring threat. We just don't have any.

Agreed, I do enjoy this team, I think they're solid and they work hard, and they're much greater together than they would be apart, but to add a scorer or two to this mix, they'd really be something.
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fastymctalent55,Nov 28 2007
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puckhead,Nov 28 2007
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By and large I like the team Nolan and Snow have put together.......but this is one area we really lack.

Every team must have one or two offensive guys who are a constant scoring threat.  We just don't have any.

Agreed, I do enjoy this team, I think they're solid and they work hard, and they're much greater together than they would be apart, but to add a scorer or two to this mix, they'd really be something.

Fasty, if they can somehow add that piece.....watch out. I really think they'd be a force.

But acquiring such a player is very difficult to do. Teams aren't willing to give them up. And usually they're acquired through free agency and the draft. Most of the time any way.
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fastymctalent55,Nov 28 2007
10:18 AM
puckhead,Nov 28 2007
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By and large I like the team Nolan and Snow have put together.......but this is one area we really lack.

Every team must have one or two offensive guys who are a constant scoring threat.  We just don't have any.

Agreed, I do enjoy this team, I think they're solid and they work hard, and they're much greater together than they would be apart, but to add a scorer or two to this mix, they'd really be something.

St. Louis or Brad Richards??? I hear so many rumors about them...
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dragoneye,Nov 27 2007
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Maybe we can get Pat LaFontaine to unretire and headline the power play.  I just want a goal scorer I can call an Islander.  60...50... even 40 a year for a few years in a row.  Is that too much to ask?

Thats a ton to ask dude... goals numbers in the 40's is considered FANTASTIC! and you want 50-60? A player of that calibur such as crosby/ovechkin/Lecav do not come often and when they do, they usually get paid 8+....GOMEZ got that much and he's nowhere near the talent level of the guys i just mentioned.

So, in short, Yes it's a lot to ask. I'll be Giddy if Okposo becomes a 60-70 POINT guy... Other than that, were gonna have to find a way to win without a shining star.

You're right it is a ton, but after all these years I am ready. I want 40 out of somebody, but if everyone including Hilbert, Simon, Bergenheim, and a few others who shall remain nameless (and in need of some hot streaks) would chip in 18 each I could live with that too.

On a side note, I could also live with the Isles sitting quiet for a few years and really restocking the farm with can't miss prospects.. That won't happen though because we need a new place to play. Damn, I better not think about this anymore or I might get depressed. Sorry for the rant. I just remember the better years and sometimes it sucks to not have a player that really stands out...

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Bates will help the offense? What, become more offensive?
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bumpkin,Nov 28 2007
11:44 AM
Bates will help the offense? What, become more offensive?

Exactly what I was thinking.....................now we're to believe Bates will inject some kind of life into this team?

Give me a break..........we've seen what this guy can do for five years.
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dragoneye,Nov 28 2007
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Hydroponix18,Nov 27 2007
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dragoneye,Nov 27 2007
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Maybe we can get Pat LaFontaine to unretire and headline the power play.   I just want a goal scorer I can call an Islander.  60...50... even 40 a year for a few years in a row.  Is that too much to ask?

Thats a ton to ask dude... goals numbers in the 40's is considered FANTASTIC! and you want 50-60? A player of that calibur such as crosby/ovechkin/Lecav do not come often and when they do, they usually get paid 8+....GOMEZ got that much and he's nowhere near the talent level of the guys i just mentioned.

So, in short, Yes it's a lot to ask. I'll be Giddy if Okposo becomes a 60-70 POINT guy... Other than that, were gonna have to find a way to win without a shining star.

You're right it is a ton, but after all these years I am ready. I want 40 out of somebody, but if everyone including Hilbert, Simon, Bergenheim, and a few others who shall remain nameless (and in need of some hot streaks) would chip in 18 each I could live with that too.

On a side note, I could also live with the Isles sitting quiet for a few years and really restocking the farm with can't miss prospects.. That won't happen though because we need a new place to play. Damn, I better not think about this anymore or I might get depressed. Sorry for the rant. I just remember the better years and sometimes it sucks to not have a player that really stands out...

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Yeah, I know. It would be nice to have another 40+ from the same guy. I guess I should just drop it. It is just my hope that the Isles can pull off some magic within the next few years, like draft a diamond in the rough or trade a bag of broken pucks for Joe Thornton type. If other teams can do it it can be done. haha.
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As others have indicated, sadly this team is now regressing to its offensive talent level. To date they have seriously overperformed, but it looks like those days are numbered. A lot has been made of Sillinger's lack of performance thus far, but honestly the last two years have been career years for him, and now he's coming back down to earth. Guerin really needs to be doing more, but what we see from the rest of the forwards is basically what we're going to get from this offense. I don't understand why the Isles refuse to Tambellini an actual shot. I bet any amount of money he'd have more points so far this season than Andy Hilbert if he'd been playing.

I also cringe whenever Berard touches the puck. Know what's wrong with the PP? Bryan Berard. He is so consistently awful on both ends that I honestly cannot comprehend what Nolan is thinking by sending him out there. DP has also been bailing out an Islanders defense that is way too inclined to make blind passes in their own zone to where they "think" someone ought to be. That's why you see the Isles turn over the puck so often at their own blue line.
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In regards to St.Louis / Richards. If TB is still having issues selling the team, they might move to dumping salary. Management has said that they will not do it but if it needs to happen, this is were our only chance will be for a star player. I believe. Any other trade with a team will cost us more, a trade with TB will cost us but not as much if they trying to dump salary
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puckhead,Nov 28 2007
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fastymctalent55,Nov 28 2007
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puckhead,Nov 28 2007
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By and large I like the team Nolan and Snow have put together.......but this is one area we really lack.

Every team must have one or two offensive guys who are a constant scoring threat.  We just don't have any.

Agreed, I do enjoy this team, I think they're solid and they work hard, and they're much greater together than they would be apart, but to add a scorer or two to this mix, they'd really be something.

Fasty, if they can somehow add that piece.....watch out. I really think they'd be a force.

But acquiring such a player is very difficult to do. Teams aren't willing to give them up. And usually they're acquired through free agency and the draft. Most of the time any way.

Yeah, you're right, that's what makes it a bit frustrating, sort of so close, but so far.

And to address the post about people being down on the team because they're in a scoring slump, I really don't think that's the case, it's just a realization of what this team could be if they had an extra scorer or two. They're so close to being a really special team.
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awesomepatrol,Nov 28 2007
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As others have indicated, sadly this team is now regressing to its offensive talent level. To date they have seriously overperformed, but it looks like those days are numbered. A lot has been made of Sillinger's lack of performance thus far, but honestly the last two years have been career years for him, and now he's coming back down to earth. Guerin really needs to be doing more, but what we see from the rest of the forwards is basically what we're going to get from this offense. I don't understand why the Isles refuse to Tambellini an actual shot. I bet any amount of money he'd have more points so far this season than Andy Hilbert if he'd been playing.

I also cringe whenever Berard touches the puck. Know what's wrong with the PP? Bryan Berard. He is so consistently awful on both ends that I honestly cannot comprehend what Nolan is thinking by sending him out there. DP has also been bailing out an Islanders defense that is way too inclined to make blind passes in their own zone to where they "think" someone ought to be. That's why you see the Isles turn over the puck so often at their own blue line.

Berard? you must mean MAB, because Berard is the least of the problems on the power play. A forward crashing the net, or even keeping the puck down low is more of our problem on the powerplay.

The isles refuse to give Tambs a shot because he hasn't show that he really wants to be here. They gave him a shot at the beginning of the season and he impressed no one. Now its Bergie's turn and he did a hell of a lot more with his time here then tambs did. He and hilbert are essentially the same, but at least hilbert show some drive and determination. Also hilbert is turning into a very good penalty killer.
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