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Topic Started: Nov 23 2007, 05:39 PM (1,653 Views)
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Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992,Nov 24 2007
10:20 AM
Hilbert makes dumb decisions when given those golden opportunities. Instead of blasting a slap shot that is more likely to miss, why not just a wrister?

I don't think hes been looking for a slapper with the opportunities, it's pressure and the little spot in the back of his head that knows and is concentrated on the fact he doesn't want to miss. It's easy to miss the net when you squeeze the stick too tight, hasn't anyone here played hockey other than me? Granted, I never went 20 games without scoring....

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teknics,Nov 24 2007
09:39 AM
Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992,Nov 24 2007
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Hilbert makes dumb decisions when given those golden opportunities. Instead of blasting a slap shot that is more likely to miss, why not just a wrister?

I don't think hes been looking for a slapper with the opportunities, it's pressure and the little spot in the back of his head that knows and is concentrated on the fact he doesn't want to miss. It's easy to miss the net when you squeeze the stick too tight, hasn't anyone here played hockey other than me? Granted, I never went 20 games without scoring....

I was explaining this to my wife this morning. When I was younger I played basketball (tall kid) and I had a year where I scored 1 basket - one (off a rebound and it was because I wasn't thinking!) I concentrated on defense but my confidence was so shaken that I remember once getting a breakaway, standing all alone under the basket and I wouldn't shoot. I was so afraid I'd miss again.

That's a confidence issue and I think Andy is experiencing the same.

For what it is worth, the next year I started off well and took my team (captain) to an undefeated season, lead the league in every good stat, won MVP and most importantly, the championship.

Now, I'm not saying that Andy will be Wayne Gretzky - but once he can get his head into it and maybe add some more curve to his stick... :banana:
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Hilbert's been around for some time and I don't think what we are seeing is a crisis of confidence...though it can cause one. Rather, I'm more inclined to think that Hilbert is showing us exactly the type of player he is. Now, I'm not all that familiar with his background before the Isles, but I know we picked him up on the cheap...and I'm beginning to think there was a reason for that. Not every under-the-radar-signing turns into Jason Blake. While Hilbert does some things well, he is still a forward and HAS TO bury the puck when given the chance. For that, there is no excuse...especially in such a tight game. I know there is a groupd of Hilbert-ites here at NYIC...and I can see why they like the guy...but I've really got to imagine that his days are increasingly numbered here...especially if someone else shows they can bring his hustle AND add points.
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If someone else shows they can do what he does defensively AND ontop of that produce for what he's making, then lets see em.
But the ridiculous nonsense written on many sites over and over is that "ANY" 4th liner can do that
and to me that is just laughable.

As far as the Park comparison.
Can't compare a winger and a center who plays a key role on 4th line and fills in on wing when necessary.

However, if Bates comes back and can do a decent job on 4th line.
I say let Andy sit, and collect his thoughts for a game or 2 and lets see park on the line with Vasicek because Bergenheim has been equally snake bitten this year.

Still, these are small problems and our team is FAR better shape than many.

a few losses and the usual cast of topics and negativity rear their ugly heads again.



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I think you're right Smitty. As much as we've been behind Hilbert, Garth and Teddy have to be looking at options now that the entire offense is cold. Easy to live with a guy who plays his own end great and not score if you're still scoring 3-4 goals a game as a team, but when it's hard to score more than 1 a game, you have to start looking at solutions anywhere, including and even maybe starting with Hilbert.

And I think it's time we've all wonders what the GD hype was for Bergenheim. Other than speed, someone explain to me just what he brings. :dontknow: He has no poise with the puck, throws a body check with his back and take himself out of the play. Other than just speed I see nothing else. And when he skates with his speed it looks chaotic and uncontrolled.

Am I alone in this observation?
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stevedepot,Nov 24 2007
12:35 PM
If someone else shows they can do what he does defensively AND ontop of that produce for what he's making, then lets see em.
But the ridiculous nonsense written on many sites over and over is that "ANY" 4th liner can do that
and to me that is just laughable.

As far as the Park comparison.
Can't compare a winger and a center who plays a key role on 4th line and fills in on wing when necessary.

However, if Bates comes back and can do a decent job on 4th line.
I say let Andy sit, and collect his thoughts for a game or 2 and lets see park on the line with Vasicek because Bergenheim has been equally snake bitten this year.

Still, these are small problems and our team is FAR better shape than many.

a few losses and the usual cast of topics and negativity rear their ugly heads again.



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Steve, the microscope certainly gets more magnification when you've lost 4 of 5 and scoring becomes a problem.
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12:41 PM
stevedepot,Nov 24 2007
12:35 PM
If someone else shows they can do what he does defensively AND ontop of that produce for what he's making, then lets see em.
But the ridiculous nonsense written on many sites over and over is that "ANY" 4th liner can do that
and to me that is just laughable.

As far as the Park comparison.
Can't compare a winger and a center who plays a key role on 4th line and fills in on wing when necessary.

However, if Bates comes back and can do a decent job on 4th line.
I say let Andy sit, and collect his thoughts for a game or 2 and lets see park on the line with Vasicek because Bergenheim has been equally snake bitten this year.

Still, these are small problems and our team is FAR better shape than many.

a few losses and the usual cast of topics and negativity rear their ugly heads again.



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Steve, the microscope certainly gets more magnification when you've lost 4 of 5 and scoring becomes a problem.

Absolutely, but it begins with Guerin and what about Satan?
shoots who failed to bury that shot in front of the net?

Guerin has made some lazy passes but then again, that whole top line was playing on eggshells
because of the 2nd period benching.

I'm not worried. This team has enough leadership and character to bounce back.

But it's tiring to see the same old topics nitpicked.
It seems the same old cast of characters wait in the wings for these down times to
speak up and reiterate the same old nonsense...
DP and his flopping, Bates' groin, Hilbert's shootin blanks etc.

What about the other side of the coin?
How about Brendan Witt blocking so many shots? How about Martinek and his puck handling, smooth skating. How about Hunter's work ethic and strong skating this year.

ah, a win tonight and some of this dies down.

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stevedepot,Nov 24 2007
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Webb20,Nov 24 2007
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stevedepot,Nov 24 2007
12:35 PM
If someone else shows they can do what he does defensively AND ontop of that produce for what he's making, then lets see em.
But the ridiculous nonsense written on many sites over and over is that "ANY" 4th liner can do that
and to me that is just laughable.

As far as the Park comparison.
Can't compare a winger and a center who plays a key role on 4th line and fills in on wing when necessary.

However, if Bates comes back and can do a decent job on 4th line.
I say let Andy sit, and collect his thoughts for a game or 2 and lets see park on the line with Vasicek because Bergenheim has been equally snake bitten this year.

Still, these are small problems and our team is FAR better shape than many.

a few losses and the usual cast of topics and negativity rear their ugly heads again.



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Steve, the microscope certainly gets more magnification when you've lost 4 of 5 and scoring becomes a problem.

Absolutely, but it begins with Guerin and what about Satan?
shoots who failed to bury that shot in front of the net?

Guerin has made some lazy passes but then again, that whole top line was playing on eggshells
because of the 2nd period benching.

I'm not worried. This team has enough leadership and character to bounce back.

But it's tiring to see the same old topics nitpicked.
It seems the same old cast of characters wait in the wings for these down times to
speak up and reiterate the same old nonsense...
DP and his flopping, Bates' groin, Hilbert's shootin blanks etc.

What about the other side of the coin?
How about Brendan Witt blocking so many shots? How about Martinek and his puck handling, smooth skating. How about Hunter's work ethic and strong skating this year.

ah, a win tonight and some of this dies down.

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I couldn't agree with you more. What is it that Nolan says, "your best players have to be your best players every night."

In their last 7 games, Comrie is -6 and has only 3 points. He hasn't finished + in his last 9 games.

IN his last 8 games Guerin is POINTLESS and hasn't finished + in a single one of those games. In fact, Guerin has been a + player in only 4 games this season.

In his last 6 games, Hunter has 1 POINT and is -3.

In his last 7 games, Tank has 1 POINT and is -5.

Hilbert has only 1 POINT on the season, but he's +3 in his last 10 games. In none of those games did he finish -. In fact, while Guerin has finished + only 4 times this season, Hilbert has only finished a game in the minus category 5 times this season.

It seems to me that while we would like more offense from Hilbert and missing that yawning net yesterday hurt, he isn't hurting us nearly as much as our "top players" have been in the last two weeks. You'll notice that the names I listed above are the same guys who get the bulk of PP time and they are not getting the job done.

It is not unreasonable to expect your top players to play like it. However, when Comrie, Guerin, Hunter and Tank are a combined -17 in their last 30 games, but Hilbert is +3 in his last 10, I'm thinking Hilbert isn't our most pressing issue on this team.

Steve...you are right. We will get more ridiculous stuff on the website. Anyone who thought DP cost us lastnight's game because of that second goal is kidding themselves. Hilbert, Park and DP and the defense were the only ones who showed up last night. The other 10 forwards missed the flight apparently.

To think Hilbert & DP are the problem, someone is kidding themselves. When your top 6 forwards aren't playing like your top 6 forwards, don't look any further.
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Hilbert has only 1 POINT on the season, but he's +3 in his last 10 games. In none of those games did he finish -. In fact, while Guerin has finished + only 4 times this season, Hilbert has only finished a game in the minus category 5 times this season.


I stopped reading after that. Hilber has 0 points not 1 and on the year he is a minus 3 also. (Little side note the "defensive liability" MAB has the same +/- as the "Defensive Savior" Andy Hilbert. Hmmmmmm)
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Hilbert has only 1 POINT on the season, but he's +3 in his last 10 games. In none of those games did he finish -. In fact, while Guerin has finished + only 4 times this season, Hilbert has only finished a game in the minus category 5 times this season.


I stopped reading after that. Hilber has 0 points not 1 and on the year he is a minus 3 also. (Little side note the "defensive liability" MAB has the same +/- as the "Defensive Savior" Andy Hilbert. Hmmmmmm)

And Hilbert is always getting ice time against the top line of the other team...yet he's -3 without scoring any points himself. That should give you an idea of how good defensively he actually is. Hmmmmmmmm :letssee:


and if you kept reading, you would have noticed that the Isles slide in offensive production on both the PP and even strength seems to coincide with the slide of those "top forwards". Hmmmmmm
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It never eneterd my mind that hilbert was anything more than a third line player. Outside of him not scoring in yesterdays game with that wide open net is my only WTF. I will put it to you this way if he didn't play in a game i wouldn't notice it all to much.
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Another thing I noticed...why did Nolan mess with the line combos again...

I would like to know why he put Hunter back with Silli and Stonehands Hilbert..and took him off the top line...The top line seems to be producing better with Hunter on that line then Guerin, and even Hunter was producing as well on the top line with Comrie and Tank.

Anybody else sees it this way??
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And Hilbert is always getting ice time against the top line of the other team...yet he's -3 without scoring any points himself. That should give you an idea of how good defensively he actually is. Hmmmmmmmm letssee.gif


That makes zero sense. That is not a testament to how good he is defensively at all. "without scoring any points himself" does not make him a better defensive player then someone that can play defense AND score. Very flawed logic.
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stevedepot,Nov 24 2007
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What about the other side of the coin?
How about Brendan Witt blocking so many shots? How about Martinek and his puck handling, smooth skating.

After two straight no-show losses, Steve, I think its understandable that no one wants to talk about Martinek's puck handling and smooth skating.
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And Hilbert is always getting ice time against the top line of the other team...yet he's -3 without scoring any points himself. That should give you an idea of how good defensively he actually is. Hmmmmmmmm letssee.gif


That makes zero sense. That is not a testament to how good he is defensively at all. "without scoring any points himself" does not make him a better defensive player then someone that can play defense AND score. Very flawed logic.

Wow--- have you played the game?

Hilbert is often on the ice against Bergeron from Boston, Jagr from the Rags, Crosby, Vinncy L & St. Louis and he's -3 on the season...and that is without getting any points himself. That should tell you how few of the top opponents are scoring while he's on the ice. If you can't figure that out...
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Islander4cups,Nov 24 2007
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It seems to me that while we would like more offense from Hilbert and missing that yawning net yesterday hurt, he isn't hurting us nearly as much as our "top players" have been in the last two weeks.

Still won't say that "S" word, huh? (as in "Satan")?

What gives? Does he have a "get out of jail free" card or something?

Why did he stop skating through the middle and become a board-dweller again?
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It seems to me that while we would like more offense from Hilbert and missing that yawning net yesterday hurt, he isn't hurting us nearly as much as our "top players" have been in the last two weeks.

Still won't say that "S" word, huh? (as in "Satan")?

What gives? Does he have a "get out of jail free" card or something?

Why did he stop skating through the middle and become a board-dweller again?

???? Satan and Joe V have been the only Isles forwards on the top 2 giving consistent efforts the past two weeks. What games have you been watching?

I want to see Joe V and Satan start on the PP with Sillinger tonight. Let them take the time that the likes of comrie, Hunter, Guerin, and Tank obviously haven't done much with. Miro hasn't scored in 5 games, but he was + in three of those games and - in only one of them. He's been playing well. Miro isn't the Isles problem right now and neither is Joe V so yes, they both get a "get out of jail free" card from me.
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Hilbert has only 1 POINT on the season, but he's +3 in his last 10 games. In none of those games did he finish -. In fact, while Guerin has finished + only 4 times this season, Hilbert has only finished a game in the minus category 5 times this season.


I stopped reading after that. Hilber has 0 points not 1 and on the year he is a minus 3 also. (Little side note the "defensive liability" MAB has the same +/- as the "Defensive Savior" Andy Hilbert. Hmmmmmm)

I told you Hilbert has 1 point.

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