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Move that Needs to be made....
Topic Started: Nov 30 2007, 02:32 PM (791 Views)
dragoneye
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We have got decent back up players. It's a fact that the team is solid in it the system outside of the fact that we can't finish. We need to maintain the hustle a bit it seems (not everyone, but a few). The Devils played tight D and won cups for years playing their boring trap system, and they had players that would make teams pay nearly every time for their mistakes. That is the key. High percentage of making teams pay for mistakes. Low scoring games. We need to make other teams pay... NO MISSING OPEN NETS!
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Tinman31
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Hilbert is a key reason why we are GREAT on the PK and have one of the least goals allowed all season.

To me it seems that he would make a perfect 4th line player with all penalty kill situations and extra shifts while leading. That will get his 11 minutes a night.

I have really appreciated him as a "hockey player" though. He wins battles, he is first man in often, hustles etc.

Bergie was "supposed" to be a 20 goal type of scorer, I don't think anyone, except my man 4cups :yea: thought Hilbert would be a double-digit goal scorer. I mean if someone at the start of the year said he would score 12 I would be pumped, but Bergie I would say ah down year. NOW I would be happy if he scores 4 goals.

WITH all that said. They aren't even our top 5 guys in the offense department. Guerin especially. Hit the net. Comrie shoot the puck.

Comrie
Guerin
Satan
Tank
Josef
Hunter
Sillinger

Those are the guys we need to lean on, the other guys are important to the game, but they have their own job. If Hilberts line was a 4th liner we would say he is fantastic. I think Simon has a very limited place. He is slow. Crashes the net decent but he is very limited and puts us short-handed and that kills me/us. I wouldn't mind seeing someone get some ice time there with a little speed and goal scoring ability. Who that is ? I don't know. I mean Tambs eh. Bergie a few more games giving him MORE time but then eh. A trade for a Brian Rolston type would be great.
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totallypucked,Nov 30 2007
11:47 PM
Hey guys, I really think we need another Hilbert thread. :lol:

MAB Threads--34
Hilbert Threads--26

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What could we get for Bates? An extra Ice Girl?
Where in the World is Sebastian Collberg?
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Tinman31,Dec 1 2007
12:56 AM
Hilbert is a key reason why we are GREAT on the PK and have one of the least goals allowed all season.

To me it seems that he would make a perfect 4th line player with all penalty kill situations and extra shifts while leading. That will get his 11 minutes a night.

I have really appreciated him as a "hockey player" though. He wins battles, he is first man in often, hustles etc.

Bergie was "supposed" to be a 20 goal type of scorer, I don't think anyone, except my man 4cups :yea: thought Hilbert would be a double-digit goal scorer. I mean if someone at the start of the year said he would score 12 I would be pumped, but Bergie I would say ah down year. NOW I would be happy if he scores 4 goals.

WITH all that said. They aren't even our top 5 guys in the offense department. Guerin especially. Hit the net. Comrie shoot the puck.

Comrie
Guerin
Satan
Tank
Josef
Hunter
Sillinger

Those are the guys we need to lean on, the other guys are important to the game, but they have their own job. If Hilberts line was a 4th liner we would say he is fantastic. I think Simon has a very limited place. He is slow. Crashes the net decent but he is very limited and puts us short-handed and that kills me/us. I wouldn't mind seeing someone get some ice time there with a little speed and goal scoring ability. Who that is ? I don't know. I mean Tambs eh. Bergie a few more games giving him MORE time but then eh. A trade for a Brian Rolston type would be great.

i'M STICKING WITH MY PREDICTION ON HILBERT.

With that said, I loved your post. You nailed it.

Look at the offensive production we are getting from who was supposed to be our top guys...

Comrie 23games 8 11 19 -8
Guerin 22games 5 6 11 -4
Satan 23games 7 8 15 5
Tank 23 game 6 8 14 -6
Josef 23 games 9 3 12 4
Hunter 23 games 4 6 10 -7 (fewer points than Campoli)
Sillinger 23games 4 5 9 -3 (fewer points than Campoli)
Bergie- 1G 4A 5pts

Those are the guys who were supposed to provide us with offense. Whatever we got from the likes of a Bates, Hilbert, Park or Simon was going to be gravy. Comrie's scored about half his points in the first 2 weeks of the season as did Guerin.Satan, Josef and Tank are the only ones who have provided consistent offense in the last 2 weeks, yet people are focusing on Andy Hilbert as the weakness on offense.

THAT IS LAUGHABLE. While Hilbert has shown an allergy to finishing, Comrie and Guerin have been allergic to hitting the net. Hunter vanishes for 2 game stretches then gets a point.

Yet Hilbert is the problem. If we replace him with Tambelini, the offense is cured. :rofl:

3 of our top 8 forwards are producing and we have people who are obsessed with perhaps our 10th best forward?
I miss these :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: and want more of them
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Islander4cups,Dec 1 2007
05:22 PM
Tinman31,Dec 1 2007
12:56 AM
Hilbert is a key reason why we are GREAT on the  PK and have one of the least goals allowed all season.

To me it seems that he would make a perfect 4th line player with all penalty kill situations and extra shifts while leading.  That will get his 11 minutes a night.

I have really appreciated him as a "hockey player" though.  He wins battles, he is first man in often, hustles etc.

Bergie was "supposed" to be a 20 goal type of scorer, I don't think anyone, except my man 4cups  :yea:  thought Hilbert would be a double-digit goal scorer.  I mean if someone at the start of the year said he would score 12 I would be pumped, but Bergie I would say ah down year.  NOW I would be happy if he scores 4 goals.

WITH all that said.  They aren't even our top 5 guys in the offense department.  Guerin especially.  Hit the net.  Comrie shoot the puck.

Comrie
Guerin
Satan
Tank
Josef
Hunter
Sillinger

Those are the guys we need to lean on, the other guys are important to the game, but they have their own job.  If Hilberts line was a 4th liner we would say he is fantastic.  I think Simon has a very limited place.  He is slow.  Crashes the net decent but he is very limited and puts us short-handed and that kills me/us.  I wouldn't mind seeing someone get some ice time there with a little speed and goal scoring ability.  Who that is ?  I don't know.  I mean Tambs eh.  Bergie a few more games giving him MORE time but then eh.  A trade for a Brian Rolston type would be great.

i'M STICKING WITH MY PREDICTION ON HILBERT.

With that said, I loved your post. You nailed it.

Look at the offensive production we are getting from who was supposed to be our top guys...

Comrie 23games 8 11 19 -8
Guerin 22games 5 6 11 -4
Satan 23games 7 8 15 5
Tank 23 game 6 8 14 -6
Josef 23 games 9 3 12 4
Hunter 23 games 4 6 10 -7 (fewer points than Campoli)
Sillinger 23games 4 5 9 -3 (fewer points than Campoli)
Bergie- 1G 4A 5pts

Those are the guys who were supposed to provide us with offense. Whatever we got from the likes of a Bates, Hilbert, Park or Simon was going to be gravy. Comrie's scored about half his points in the first 2 weeks of the season as did Guerin.Satan, Josef and Tank are the only ones who have provided consistent offense in the last 2 weeks, yet people are focusing on Andy Hilbert as the weakness on offense.

THAT IS LAUGHABLE. While Hilbert has shown an allergy to finishing, Comrie and Guerin have been allergic to hitting the net. Hunter vanishes for 2 game stretches then gets a point.

Yet Hilbert is the problem. If we replace him with Tambelini, the offense is cured. :rofl:

3 of our top 8 forwards are producing and we have people who are obsessed with perhaps our 10th best forward?

Of course this is the case...The whole team has been sucking for a while now. It just becomes easy to get on Hilbert because he's been missing the handful of "gimme" goals.

I was definately one to bash Hilbert's game, but i think we can all agree than the guy belongs on the 4th line, no matter who else plays in front of him.
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The Islanders for years have had a serious problem. Quality free agents want nothing to do with LI. Why? Why should they? There really is nothing to play for here. If your lucky, you can get a higher salary here becuase we have to pay extra. The shame of it all is that we overpay for 2nd class FA's. We are never going anywhere with the type of players we have now. If you were starting a team, is there even one islander besides Dipietro that you would say, "I have to have him on my team"? No, there really isn't. The Isles need to build through the draft. The problem is that either the minor league sytem is bad or the scouts are bad. It's probably a lot of both. For some reason we never seem to produce players. Why can the Rangers and Devils do it? If we can build from within and get some excitement about this team, (not just us being excited, I mean from the league) then maybe stud FA's will finally want to come here and we can have a legit chance at being a hockey team. Let the firesale begin. Let's see what some of our youth can do.
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thew8511,Dec 3 2007
11:57 PM
The Islanders for years have had a serious problem. Quality free agents want nothing to do with LI. Why? Why should they? There really is nothing to play for here. If your lucky, you can get a higher salary here becuase we have to pay extra. The shame of it all is that we overpay for 2nd class FA's. We are never going anywhere with the type of players we have now. If you were starting a team, is there even one islander besides Dipietro that you would say, "I have to have him on my team"? No, there really isn't. The Isles need to build through the draft. The problem is that either the minor league sytem is bad or the scouts are bad. It's probably a lot of both. For some reason we never seem to produce players. Why can the Rangers and Devils do it? If we can build from within and get some excitement about this team, (not just us being excited, I mean from the league) then maybe stud FA's will finally want to come here and we can have a legit chance at being a hockey team. Let the firesale begin. Let's see what some of our youth can do.

Ok, I agreed with you 100% until you told me that the Rangers grow from within... I understand what your talking about with the Devils but all of the top players on the Rangers aren't from there farm system, they are from trades and free agency.
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NyIslanders2005,Dec 4 2007
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thew8511,Dec 3 2007
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The Islanders for years have had a serious problem.  Quality free agents want nothing to do with LI.  Why?  Why should they?  There really is nothing to play for here.  If your lucky, you can get a higher salary here becuase we have to pay extra.  The shame of it all is that we overpay for 2nd class FA's.  We are never going anywhere with the type of players we have now.  If you were starting a team, is there even one islander besides Dipietro that you would say, "I have to have him on my team"?  No, there really isn't.  The Isles need to build through the draft. The problem is that either the minor league sytem is bad or the scouts are bad.  It's probably a lot of both.  For some reason we never seem to produce players.  Why can the Rangers and Devils do it?  If we can build from within and get some excitement about this team, (not just us being excited, I mean from the league) then maybe stud FA's will finally want to come here and we can have a legit chance at being a hockey team.  Let the firesale begin.  Let's see what some of our youth can do.

Ok, I agreed with you 100% until you told me that the Rangers grow from within... I understand what your talking about with the Devils but all of the top players on the Rangers aren't from there farm system, they are from trades and free agency.

The top Ranger players aren't from their farm system? How about Lundqvist?

I agree......not enough resources are being used for amateur scouting. Its a joke quite frankly. The last time a big time impact forward was drafted by us was Palffy. That quite simply has to change. Otherwise we're gonna have to pay big time to get a premium scorer in free agency.

Its the same old story year after year here. We don't sign talented guys for the long term. Only 2nd tier free agents that we have to overpay for. While Guerin, Comrie and Fedotenko and Vasicek are nice solid players..........I didn't think we'd be contending for the cup with them. That kind of short term thinking of patching guys in on one year deals and changeing more than a third of the roster year after year has to change. Not nearly enough emphasis is being placed on building a team that contends for the cup long term. Too much emphasis is placed on acquiring guys just to make the playoffs as an 8th seed.
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Expectations are too high here. Look at the roster. The key guys offensively except for Comrie are players who are past their prime years in producing points. Fans shouldn't be surprised at the lack of production from Guerin and Sillinger. Age eventually catches up to any athlete. And this is by no means a reflection on their effort. I see plenty of effort from those two. I think some are being unrealistic here. I think expecting a .500 record would be realistic.
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Shooter,Dec 4 2007
07:37 AM
Expectations are too high here. Look at the roster. The key guys offensively except for Comrie are players who are past their prime years in producing points. Fans shouldn't be surprised at the lack of production from Guerin and Sillinger. Age eventually catches up to any athlete. And this is by no means a reflection on their effort. I see plenty of effort from those two. I think some are being unrealistic here. I think expecting a .500 record would be realistic.

Absolutely correct Shooter.

My prediction at the beginning of the season was we'd be right around the 500 mark or maybe just a few games over. It looks like that's what this team is.
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