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Is anybody really that surprised?; Lets analyze
Topic Started: Dec 4 2007, 05:01 PM (840 Views)
Snowy
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In camp I said this would be a hard working team that would struggle to score goals. I definitely was not the only person who said this but others had delusions that we'd be fine. After a great start the length of the 82 game schedule is starting to seperate the men from the boys. As December starts I wanna go through our top 9 forwards for most of the season and analyze:

Guerin: To some he's been a disappointment and to some he's been exactly what they expected. I am one who isn't getting on his back because of his leadership abilities (although it's still early). I think 30 goals was too much to expect in hindsight, the guy is two years removed from an awful year and had a contract year last year. He's 36 years old and while he's been a very good player over his NHL career he's never really been great, so to expect him to be a top line winger is silly. He needs to hit the net more though and put himself in better spots to score goals.

Comrie: Guy has flashes of brilliance and the rest of the time is invisible. Doesn't hustle a lot of the time. Very talented offensive player who should be a 30 goal 80 point guy year in and year out, but never will be. Guy is a 2nd line center at best.

Fedotenko: He has been impressive for the most part. Can definitely see how he excels in the playoffs. Another 2nd liner at best though. Not a dependable goal scorer.

Vasicek: Has performed well above expectations but by the end of the year I can't see him scoring anymore than 20. Great 3rd line center, cannot rely on him for offense though.

Satan: Has been awesome so far. Most of his goals have been big ones. Definitely showing his age but he can still put the puck in the net. When teams can key on him though he's much less effective.

Bergenheim: I thought he was gonna provide more offense than he has, and I guess either he's not ready for that or that's just not the player he's going to be. Third liner at best for the moment.

Sillinger: Showing his age, still a great faceoff guy, will chip in his goals here and there. Another 3rd line center.

Hunter: Best all around forward on the team. Not going to be the offensive force people though he might be though. 2nd liner at best.

Hilbert: Guy is a zero on the offensive side. His defensive zone coverage is good and he plays hard all the time, but on a team like this he cannot dress consistantly. I've said it since day 1 and people argue it, but hopefully its showing through now.

This team has great character, tremendous heart, and excellent grit. Unfortunately, if you cannot score goals you're finished in this league. This team does not have one guy who can be considered a top line player and there aren't many teams in the NHL who you can say that about.

So basically, is anyone really surprised we can't score? If you are, you should have realized since Day 1. Not saying it's anybody's fault, if Snow tried to sign Drury or Briere and they said no its not his fault. But let's not boo the team off the ice because of it, they aren't very talented. Just be happy they are competitive because roster wise they probably shouldn't be.
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Ricky is the best player on the team.. Unfortunetley , he can't score goals....Its becoming apparent that if this team doesn't right the ship quick, and I mean super quick...We could be on the outside looking in come playoff time...
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So you've given up on the Isles for this year.

And you were perceptive enough to give up on them early too.

Is that about the size of it?

They sure wouldn't be much fun to watch if they shared your point of view.

Here's hoping they can rise above your pesimistic analysis!
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Westfall18
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dude, nobody is giving up...Nobody wants to see the Islanders lose...but they haven't scored 3 regulation time goals since November 6th (Not counting the 3-2 Shootout win versus Ottawa)
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I would say that your analysis is pretty much right on, Snowy.

Here is where I disagree:

If you score 30 goals in this league, you are a 1st line player. Guerin should be that for us. At this point, it doesn't look like we are going to get that this year.

If Vasicek, who has 9 goals at the quarter pole only scores 10-15 goals for the rest of the season, I would be disappointed. With the start he's had, he could get close to 30.

On this team, there are no breakout threats - they are going to have to do this together squeezing the best year out of each other. It can be done. People like Hunter, Sillinger, Fedontenko and Guerin are going to have to score more - otherwise we are in trouble.
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Westfall18,Dec 4 2007
05:37 PM
dude, nobody is giving up...Nobody wants to see the Islanders lose...but they haven't scored 3 regulation time goals since November 6th (Not counting the 3-2 Shootout win versus Ottawa)

Son, I've been watching too.

And this is nowhere near a cup team.

In fact, much of the team is a one year rental.

But do we really want to take out the tape measure at this point in the season?

These guys are struggling to find a way to win for you.

Pull up your shorts a bit and hoist those coullioñes!



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Am i surprised we're having trouble scoring? No

Am I suprised we haven't score more than 2 in 10+ games in a row? HELL YES!

We have guys that are putting up one month's worth of stats in 2 1/2 months time. Not good.

People have plenty of reason to be pessimistic about this squad after what we've seen out of our "top guys". That is not to say, however, that they can't turn things around. But if they do, as someone else mentioned, they better start quickly. Remember last year when we went on one 6-game losing streak and it almost cost us the playoffs? yea, don't wanna go thru that again. But, in terms of the future that might be a better occurance.
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this team is going through a funk and it shows on their faces.

its going to be a tough season for all of us.

hang in there, we still have time to improve
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Iam not surprised, and not surprised that DP is turning into one hell of a goaltender. I hope things turn around. Our top two free agents need to step it up.
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This so called "FUNK" and lack of scoring has to be addressed ( by the team ) NOW, not in February or March.

People always say "We Have Time" ..........Well, no we don't. This team has to establish a consistent effort, day in and day out, in order for us to be in the playoff picture. Otherwise we will be saying in February & March that "they should have gotten those two points in this game or that game, and be 10 points out of a playoff spot.
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Let's see if Teddy can pull a rabbit out of a hat on the road trip.
It's not that they're not getting chances, they're just not going in.

I just don't know.
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Let's see if Teddy can pull a rabbit out of a hat on the road trip.
It's not that they're not getting chances, they're just not going in.

I just don't know.

For me, I'm thinking we need an all out brawl like in the pre-season to get the team out of the funk. Concentrate on something more than "I'm not scoring" - rather, "I'm going to kick their ass."

If they stop thinking about it their talent, instinct and training will come through... and maybe the goals. :)
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I'm a sucker living some kind of disillusioned dream. Sure, I’ll bite and go through a hallucination of hope because I still believe the Islanders will be the better team at the end.

I’m hangin on, folks. These are the toughest of times
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05:31 PM
So you've given up on the Isles for this year.

And you were perceptive enough to give up on them early too.

Is that about the size of it?

They sure wouldn't be much fun to watch if they shared your point of view.

Here's hoping they can rise above your pesimistic analysis!

I'm not giving up on anything my friend. It's not being pessimistic... its called being REALISTIC. If we had Ilya Kovalchuk and Joe Sakic on our top line I wouldn't have made this post.

This team wins games for a reason that many people have mentioned: Rick DiPietro. And I do not want to exclude the tight defense we play on the majority of nights, because our defense has done a hell of a job for the most part. And all four of our forward lines are responsible in the defensive end as well. When we do win, which has been more that we've lost, we win because of our defense and goaltending.

If this team continues to win games its gonna have to be 1-0, 2-1, 3-2 games. And it's very difficult to play one goal games night in and night out and consistantly win them. That's reality, that's not a negative outlook.
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So you've given up on the Isles for this year.

And you were perceptive enough to give up on them early too.

Is that about the size of it?

They sure wouldn't be much fun to watch if they shared your point of view.

Here's hoping they can rise above your pesimistic analysis!

It's called realism, not pessimism...Name one thing he mentioned that was wrong.
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So you've given up on the Isles for this year.

And you were perceptive enough to give up on them early too.

Is that about the size of it?

They sure wouldn't be much fun to watch if they shared your point of view.

Here's hoping they can rise above your pesimistic analysis!

It's called realism, not pessimism...Name one thing he mentioned that was wrong.

13 games and we can't score more than two goals. I saw the mets in july lack hustle and willie benched reyes. It caught up with them in the end. I like to look at the glass half full but to be realistic about the situation it's not good. If it was 5 games ok it's a scoring slump but this is just a rut. Nolan has been changing the lines and nothing is clicking. This road trip is big. One solid game could be the start of it.



:cheers: For better times ahead
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I know that this is going to be redundent, but we need a goal scorer, a guy that we can goto in desperate times. We havent had that luxery since the run in 1993 when we had Turgeon Hogue Ferraro Thomas etc. We need someone now...


Maybe we can include Hilbert in the deal :)
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We had a ton of rest at the start of the season, that is gone.

Also it isn't the three loses it is the way we LOSE and to be honest the way we win. The whole 1 goal thing is nice but that can't last forever, too hard on the team, coach AND our best player (DP).

It is the SAME story win or lose, we all know they win again, but this grind to be 7th or 8th seed and knocked out in the first round is not good enough or good at all for anyone invovled (Bad for drafting, bad for team to lose first round, fight like dogs all 82 games etc, FA being attracted etc.)
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Snowman is, of course, entirely correct -- although when I expressed similar sentiments on this board over the summer I was considered a villain, but that's besides the point.

But to disagree somewhat with Snowman, I think that Guerin and Satan could qualify as first-line wingers on a team with a great play-making center. Beyond that, though, this team has little to no offensive talent.

And the defense is almost worse, to be honest. Andy Sutton is an absolute butcher with the puck; it's difficult to watch. Witt and Martinek are the only somewhat dependable guys, but I don't think anyone can honestly claim that they'd be 1-2 defensemen on a good team.

And the Islanders should start declining powerplays. They actually manage to play worse on them and generate fewer scoring opportunities.

Simply put, all the talk about having "Ted Nolan type" players is nonsense. You don't win with coaching, you win with talent. And the Isles are sorely lacking in that, and the farm system is in shambles. It's time to rebuild and rethink, but that's naturally painful for us given what we all went through '95-01.
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Its a process I guess. I mean most of these guys are signed for one year anyway, so it's not like we're stuck with them for a long time. We'll have a lot of money come summer time so who knows we might make a trade or even sign some big name free agents for once. For now, though I think the guys are going thru a little slump, sure we havent scored a lot. But we do have some talent on this team. We just need to find the right combinations. We were overdue for a slump anyway.....
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