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Islanders @ Philly Flyers; saturday 3/8/2008 7:00 PM
Topic Started: Mar 7 2008, 12:48 PM (2,169 Views)
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JimC1972,Mar 8 2008
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caber09,Mar 8 2008
10:22 PM
Cain,

I dont want 13 more yrs of this either but if this was DP "ready and excited" like the newspaper quotes and he said, then this might be the best we get and he isnt getting any younger or less injury prone. He is now a veteran, not a cant miss prospect. Even if this was a good team he would still be making the same mistakes.

DP's not the problem. So big deal he came out flat after not starting in over a week. Anyway, how many games do you expect to win when we only score 1 goal?!!!!!!!!!!?

So true...you're not going to win many games scoring 1 goal/game.
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Again...if people are going to focus on "goaltending as our problem" when we are the lowest scoring team in the nhl, ya gotta wonder what's going on.

That isn't to excuse DP tonight. That first goal was the result of two dumb penalties...one of which was DP's. I thought Hartnell embellished it. It isn't often when you get a stick across the thigh and suddenly both legs stop moving...however, DP knows that any stick across the body is likely going to get a call, either a slash or a hook or in this case a trip. DP had no chance on the ensuing shot on the 5 on 3, but his penalty caused it.

Second goal...funky bounce off the glass and he looked non-challant going behind the goal...hits his heel and bang 2-0.

With the other goals, it really didn't matter. None of them were shots he had clear looks at. Funny how the oponents goalies always seem to get shots that are from 35' with no screens and no defelections and no one in front to bang home rebounds.

That is the real problem with this team...it isn't the goaltending and it really isn't the defense. Problem number one is goalscoring. I've come to the point that I'll be glad to see Satan and Tank go unsigned by us. Joe Vas, well I'd bring him back as a third or fourth line center, but not at the money he'll want.

In tonight's game, our best players were the kid line, FM4 and Martinek. Everyone else looked like it was a public skating session.
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DiPi,Mar 8 2008
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caber09,Mar 8 2008
10:22 PM
Cain,

I dont want 13 more yrs of this either but if this was DP "ready and excited" like the newspaper quotes and he said, then this might be the best we get and he isnt getting any younger or less injury prone. He is now a veteran, not a cant miss prospect. Even if this was a good team he would still be making the same mistakes.

Funny Caber but the only thing I ever see you post is about Bashing DP. Do you have anything other to say about the team or Hockey in General.
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DP is by far the last thing this team needs to fix. From the PP, to the PK. Goals for is the worst in the league. But yet the whole season was lost due to DP. My god get a clue. Not saying that DP is playing up to par but when a goalie only gives up 2 goals and still cant win a game. Add to the fact that this team has been in more one goal games than any other. Yet its all DP's fault. Show some insight and get off your stats following. Stats are one of the most useless and missleading things in Hockey. Up Joe shmoe has a 1.2 goals against and a .925 goals against. WOW he must be a great Goalie. OOOHHHHHHH he only played 2 games. Please stop beating a dead Horse and show a little insight to Hockey.

Dont take this personnal as I am sure I am not the only one feeling this way.

Exactly. I didn't see Caber's post criticizing Dubie for the HUGE rebound he gave up on the tying goal at MSG or the 4-1 loss the next night.

I don't blame Dubie for either of those games, but like was posted...it doesn't matter who is in net.

Dubie plays, and we score one goal v. Fla, 3 v. Rags and 1 v. Rags. DP plays and we score 1 goal v. Pitt and 1 goal v. Philly. See a trend here?

And yes, Cabers favorite record is the broken one about DP.

DP certainly hasn't played his best hockey since the break. No arguements there. But you were killing the guy when he was playing himself on to the all star team.

It is like you are openly rooting for the guy to fail and seem to take glee when it happens.

Like I said before, a TON of players didn't show up for this game...only about 5 guys I'd say played well...so why always focus on the same one?
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I4C, Until DP actually leads us into the playoffs (not Osgood, not Snow, and not Dubie) and a playoff round win (or at least 2 in a series) the results speak for themselves. The roster has turned over so many times yet he remains and the results are the same if not worse. Rick Dipietro is now a veteran goaltender, not a cant miss prospect, and until he actually accomplishes anything other than being the token Isles All-Star rep and token USA Goalie when Ryan Miller isnt hurt, I am right and you are wrong. Eventually I hope that reverses with me eating my words and Red Light Ricky turns into Vezzina Ricky.

And as far as scoring, when the owner is more interested in property value, and promoting everything non-Isles (Dragons, Chinese Hockey & Chinese Radio Station,) that scoring problem wont be solved. He had his chance to build on the 01-02 success and failed, then lost most of last yrs playoff team. We have plenty of room under the cap and we didnt buy for a push or sell for the future, we remained mediocre, just good enough to avoid the top draft picks. What exaclty is the plan here? Without a good product on the ice, the new arena/lighthouse project will remain a pipedream and the Coliseum will continue to be 50% Ranger fans, large amount of Devil, Flyer etc fans. Dont be suprised if Wang, who is no longer a billionaire looks to sell sell sell soon. The New York Islanders will flounder in mediocrity until there is an owner who actually knows hockey and cares about hockey. Perhaps at that point top free agents will want to come to Long Island.
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DiPietro could be sharper, but he was not responsible for all of it, had at least 2 goals off bad breaks

NYI overall are too slow / too injured to be effective. PP and PK are both now equally horrendous, I think they should definitely look into a NFL style "Penalty Declined" rule change for when they are given a PP.

Kids seemed like the only bright spot (bright being relative, of course)

Sean "Gimme 20 more of this kid" Bergenheim looked good again - had a couple of calls that should have been at least coincidental if not non-calls

Comeau had some very strong plays, could be great with more experience

Tambellini showed some grit on the end boards, but looked panicked down at the NYI goal line after Flyers just missed the net, flailed at a clearing attempt -- at least he got back there on that one, another time he seemed out of position / skating around the offensive zone without the puck / without a place to be

Oh yeah, Hunter had some strong plays early, I don't recall much memorable play past the second
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caber09,Mar 9 2008
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I4C, Until DP actually leads us into the playoffs (not Osgood, not Snow, and not Dubie) and a playoff round win (or at least 2 in a series) the results speak for themselves. The roster has turned over so many times yet he remains and the results are the same if not worse. Rick Dipietro is now a veteran goaltender, not a cant miss prospect, and until he actually accomplishes anything other than being the token Isles All-Star rep and token USA Goalie when Ryan Miller isnt hurt, I am right and you are wrong. Eventually I hope that reverses with me eating my words and Red Light Ricky turns into Vezzina Ricky.

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Whatever you say. It is classic you think "Dubie led us to the playoffs" last year. He played what... a week?

Not only did DP have us in the playoffs, we were above the 8th seed when he was injured. Then Dunham couldn't stop a beachball.

Dubie played a total of 8 games last year... 5 of which he started. yeah, he LED us to the playoffs alright. :rolleyes: Dunham had that great game out in California the third game of the year to stop our slide... I guess he LED us to the playoffs as well :dontknow:

Gimme a break. Why is it that with as badly as THE TEAM played tonight, every one of your posts on the last two pages is about ONE PLAYER? Yet no mention of the fact that we've scored more than one goal ONCE in our last 4-5 games??? Because you are obsessed with disliking him and want him to fail. You were even critical of him when he was playing great.

That is the difference between you and I (since you see fit to bring it up). If DP plays badly I'll say so. If he plays well, I'll say so. But he's our goalie so I certainly don't root for him to fail like you do...nor do I want to see Dubie or any Isles player fail. You seem to take great glee in it.

BTW- the idea that "DP is the consistent factor" in those last three years...well, what does that tell you about the way the org. has been run? How many good teams have this much turnover and remain consistent threats to win? You draw the wrong conclusions.

Another BTW...Ryan Miller didn't make the 2006 team not because of an injury. He didn't make it because at the time of the selection, he had a grand total of 28 NHL starts over 3 seasons. But don't let facts get in your way. It's never stopped you before.

And most NHL owners know NOTHING about hockey...that is why they hire people who do. Who are the owners that know so much hockey in Detroit, Carolina, Montreal, Ottawa? Yeah, thought so.
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caber09,Mar 9 2008
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I4C, Until DP actually leads us into the playoffs (not Osgood, not Snow, and not Dubie) and a playoff round win (or at least 2 in a series) the results speak for themselves. The roster has turned over so many times yet he remains and the results are the same if not worse. Rick Dipietro is now a veteran goaltender, not a cant miss prospect, and until he actually accomplishes anything other than being the token Isles All-Star rep and token USA Goalie when Ryan Miller isnt hurt, I am right and you are wrong. Eventually I hope that reverses with me eating my words and Red Light Ricky turns into Vezzina Ricky.

And as far as scoring, when the owner is more interested in property value, and promoting everything non-Isles (Dragons, Chinese Hockey & Chinese Radio Station,) that scoring problem wont be solved. He had his chance to build on the 01-02 success and failed, then lost most of last yrs playoff team. We have plenty of room under the cap and we didnt buy for a push or sell for the future, we remained mediocre, just good enough to avoid the top draft picks. What exaclty is the plan here? Without a good product on the ice, the new arena/lighthouse project will remain a pipedream and the Coliseum will continue to be 50% Ranger fans, large amount of Devil, Flyer etc fans. Dont be suprised if Wang, who is no longer a billionaire looks to sell sell sell soon. The New York Islanders will flounder in mediocrity until there is an owner who actually knows hockey and cares about hockey. Perhaps at that point top free agents will want to come to Long Island.

This issue on this team is not DP. It takes DP to stand on his head some games for us to win. IT IS WHAT IS IN FRONT OF HIM THAT IS NOT CONSISTENT. I agree we had a shot to build on achievements and didn't. Who do we blame? Wang? Snow? you sure can't blame Nolan. The players maybe?



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I4C, Miller was left off the team because he was injured during the selection process....

"The answer was unclear. When Miller broke his thumb in a morning skate Nov. 2, he knew that he could return in time for the Olympics, but not necessarily in time for the selection of the team. Miller had played well in the orientation camp in Colorado Springs, and he knew Waddell from the world championships. But he was still just a rookie, and officials were leaning toward veterans.

After Miller came off injured reserve Dec. 9, he needed two rehabilitation games at Rochester, then some time to regain his rhythm at Buffalo. USA Hockey could not wait any longer. Officials tabbed three goalies — Philadelphia's Robert Esche, the Islanders' Rick DiPietro and Grahame — all more experienced than Miller but perhaps more porous."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/20/sports/h...So0EpQT3xTgjU1w

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Had Miller not been injured he wouldve started over the other "porous" goalies lol
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Let's not turn a blind eye to the fact that DiPietro really did look out of step tonight. Throwing his career under the bus is pretty lame though. Islanders4cups is right, goaltending isn't the problem, really its the least of our concerns.

Well at least Howie Rose won't have to miss any Mets games to start the season. :bag:

Oh by the way, did you hear Zach Parise scored another 2 goals tonight? Just thought I'd bring that up...maybe the scouts are reading.
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DP has never been solid after a layoff if you look at his track record.
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DP has never been solid

DP has never been solid period :bag:
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good god what was that

A sh goal, :sick:

DP playing goalie :bag:
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Long Range DP

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caber09,Mar 8 2008
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As Rose and Jaffe said, another miracle is needed.
06 DP no playoffs
07 Dubie playoffs
08 DP no playoffs

Any trend there? DP is one of the few constants on all 3 teams.

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caber09,Mar 8 2008
10:39 PM
We were already guaranteed to see KO because now it wont cost a contract year, we are a budget team with a budget owner

Okay we got it... We aren't going to make the playoffs this year but you don't have to go posting about how bad Dipietro and everyone else is. Just chill and hope it's just that he's hurt.

I don't want 13 more years of this.

See Yashin :bag:
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It was DP's fault last night, it was our anemic offense, it was our pathetic defense, it was Nolan's coaching and motivational ablilities, it was Garth Snow's inability to sign better talent, it was the defensive injuries.

It's all of these things combined that makes us feel lost this morning.

It sucked last night and all for the 6 game win streak it has sucked since the all-star break.

I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas!
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It was DP's fault last night, it was our anemic offense, it was our pathetic defense, it was Nolan's coaching and motivational ablilities, it was Garth Snow's inability to sign better talent, it was the defensive injuries.

It's all of these things combined that makes us feel lost this morning.

It sucked last night and all for the 6 game win streak it has sucked since the all-star break.

THANK GOD THERE IS ONLY 5 HOME GAMES LEFT

AND NONE TILL THE 18TH

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It's just so very sad.

Without the Olympics this year, the season will end the first week of April. The offseason will be plenty long for Garth and Company to try to right the ship for next season.

And yes, 25yr, the kids were the only bright spots on the team.

There will be a lot of plaques changing in that locker room over the summer, that's for damn sure.

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His mistakes can be very deflating. The roster has turned over so much over the last few years but his mistakes remain. Again he is now a veteran not a cant miss prospect.

Doesn't matter who is in the net. They can't score, can't kill penalities, can't score on PP...His mistakes just magnify an already bleak situation. Let's hope they don't screw up and lose a shot at a lottery pick.

Well said.

We all agree that he was sharp. The difference I am seeing is whether we'll see consistency over the next thirteen years or not.

To me, I'm thinking that some of that needs to come from the coach not playing him so much. I'd rather see the Superstar for 60-65 games than the inconsistent/injured player for 75.
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It was DP's fault last night, it was our anemic offense, it was our pathetic defense, it was Nolan's coaching and motivational ablilities, it was Garth Snow's inability to sign better talent, it was the defensive injuries.

It's all of these things combined that makes us feel lost this morning.

It sucked last night and all for the 6 game win streak it has sucked since the all-star break.

Thank you Webby. The only thing to look foward to is the kids. Add in Witt, Martinek, Gervais, Hunter, Okposo. I really do not agree with the Comrie signing. The cast players are Park, Hillbert. Cant wait to see Simm back. They have some serious work to be done as well as sign a legit first line. Not including Billy G. Comrie has the talent to be a top center but does not have the motivation. Like the way Bertuzzi was when he was on the Island.
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