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Tim Jackman; my new favorite Islander
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Tim Jackman impressed me last season, but this season he seems even better.  All people have been talking about is getting an enforcer who can play the game?  We already have him.  No need to have Fritz on the roster.  Jackman should be in the lineup every night.

I like the way he's playing but he is not a good fighter. Plus, he's more of a middleweight. If he had to fight the Cotes, Laraques, Orrs, etc, he'd be dead. We still need a heavyweight who can play a little. It hasn't hurt us so far though.

He's not a good fighter, but at the current stage of the NHL you don't need to be to still be effective. You need a guy who will stand up for teammates and also be able to play the game. If there is a big rivalry game and it's needed, call up Fritz. But as far as being an every single game option, Jackman is a good one. He's a better player than Colton Orr. And besides, as long as he's not intimidated by the top enforcers around the league that's the important thing.
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Chris Neil is out since that fight with Jax...
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It's reasons like this that the Islanders have been so mediocre for so long...everytime a grinder comes to the team the fans make him a fan favorite right away and root for them so much that we start to think that they are actually impact players. Just because a player works hard doesn't mean he is an impact player. I've seen it before with player like Steve Webb. The fans make them into more then they actually are. Jackman has played well for a couple game but once more talented people are healthy he should be returned to the AHL.
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bringbackziggy,Nov 20 2008
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It's reasons like this that the Islanders have been so mediocre for so long...everytime a grinder comes to the team the fans make him a fan favorite right away and root for them so much that we start to think that they are actually impact players. Just because a player works hard doesn't mean he is an impact player. I've seen it before with player like Steve Webb. The fans make them into more then they actually are. Jackman has played well for a couple game but once more talented people are healthy he should be returned to the AHL.

Webb had 5 goals for his career..........his career. That is not a fair comparision. Jackman had 6 when he was called up if he plays close the level he has shown in the bunch of games since his call up, he might have double digits for the year. And like Snowy said, it is nice to have someone so willing to drop his gloves with anyone to defend a teammate. When did you ever see Webb on the penalty kill. Your comparision is off.

Why would you be surprised Islander fanswould be happy about seeing a guy work hard and contribute on every shift. He drew the penalty that led to our only goal on Monday. Would you rather see a bunch of Comries and Tambellini's who are visible in some games only for the wrong reasons.
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bringbackziggy,Nov 20 2008
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It's reasons like this that the Islanders have been so mediocre for so long...everytime a grinder comes to the team the fans make him a fan favorite right away and root for them so much that we start to think that they are actually impact players. Just because a player works hard doesn't mean he is an impact player. I've seen it before with player like Steve Webb. The fans make them into more then they actually are. Jackman has played well for a couple game but once more talented people are healthy he should be returned to the AHL.

Believe me, I've seen the same tendency among Isles fans. Richard Park last year was treated like the team's MVP. That might have been warranted, but only to a certain extent, and besides, he's Richard Park. A utility player that is a great penalty killer that can spark some of the scorers now and then. I think this tendency of falling in love with these players is because 1) we haven't had a true star since Ziggy and 2) alot of the scorers in recent years- Yashin, Kvasha, Isbister to name a few- have had questionable work ethics, with the exception of Jason Blake. Also, some fans expect every scorer to have a John Tonelli work ethic. While players should by no means float around and cherry pick etc., not every guy is going to skate around putting every opponent through walls. Their job is to score.

That said, I don't want to take away from Jackman's effort. He is showing he is perfectly deserving of a permanent grinder role.
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bringbackziggy,Nov 20 2008
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It's reasons like this that the Islanders have been so mediocre for so long...everytime a grinder comes to the team the fans make him a fan favorite right away and root for them so much that we start to think that they are actually impact players. Just because a player works hard doesn't mean he is an impact player.  I've seen it before with player like Steve Webb.  The fans make them into more then they actually are.  Jackman has played well for a couple game but once more talented people are healthy he should be returned to the AHL.

Believe me, I've seen the same tendency among Isles fans. Richard Park last year was treated like the team's MVP. That might have been warranted, but only to a certain extent, and besides, he's Richard Park. A utility player that is a great penalty killer that can spark some of the scorers now and then. I think this tendency of falling in love with these players is because 1) we haven't had a true star since Ziggy and 2) alot of the scorers in recent years- Yashin, Kvasha, Isbister to name a few- have had questionable work ethics, with the exception of Jason Blake. Also, some fans expect every scorer to have a John Tonelli work ethic. While players should by no means float around and cherry pick etc., not every guy is going to skate around putting every opponent through walls. Their job is to score.

That said, I don't want to take away from Jackman's effort. He is showing he is perfectly deserving of a permanent grinder role.

I remember that everyone was CRUSHED when Dave Scatchard was gone.

Look at him now.

I think that sums up what bringbackziggy and TotallyPucked is saying pretty well.

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It's becasue guys like Jackman and Webb represent the working guy, like most of us and we can relate to it. If an average joe, hard worker who bust his ass makes contributions and helps the club guys like me can associate with that, than someone who's born with a silver spoon in their mouths and expect the royal treatment (see Comrie and Tambellini). If you have a problem with guys like me touting guys like Jackman then we have a problem.

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ITS A SAD DAY WHEN YOU HAVE TO DEFEND PLAYERS THAT BRING IT EVERYDAY EVERYGAME

SORRY GIVE ME A TEAM OF RICHARD PARKS KEVIN COLLEYS STEVE WEBBS AND WE WILL BEAT YOUR STAR POWERED TEAM 7 OUT OF 10 GAMES
GIVE ME HEART DESIRE PRIDE OVER SKILL ANYTIME
and i'm talking islander skill not crosby malkin ovechkin skill

WHY BERATE RICHARD PARK
HE WAS THE MVP
ITS NOT HIS FAULT HE WAS SURROUNDED BY CRAP
ALL HE DID WAS HIS THING
JUST BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE COULD TOP HIM
ITS HIS FAULT??
I'D BE MORE DEPRESSED THAT HE WAS THE MVP AND NOBODY HAD THE BALLS TO TAKE THE TITLE FROM HIM :moon:

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No one is bashing Jackman or Park.

They're just pointing out the fact that some fans have guys like Dany Heatley and the Sedin brothers and Alex Semin and Ryan Getzlaf to be their favorite players.

We have Tim Jackman.

Nothing against Park and Jackman, but it's just kinda lame we don't have a few superstars to rally around. It has nothing to do with Park and Jax it has to do with the rest of the team.

We have nothing to get excited about so it's our grinders who we deem indispensable and MVP worthy.

Again, nothing against the hard working players, I think many of us just wish we had more to get excited about, not players who would be on the PK units and 3 and 4th lines of other teams.


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Great stuff.

If this team had a few elite players in their primes.
The role players like Park, Hilbert and Jackman might be greater appreciated
by those who find any fault in them.
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stevedepot,Nov 21 2008
01:32 PM
Great stuff.

If this team had a few elite players in their primes.
The role players like Park, Hilbert and Jackman might be greater appreciated
by those who find any fault in them.

EXACTLY
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WELL I'M TIRED OF WAITING
ITS BEEN HOW MANY YEARS SINCE WE HAD A SUPERSTAR THAT DID ANYTHING HERE :dontknow:
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well, when kyle okposo and josh bailey and blake comeau and jeff tambellini become the superstars like we all know they will be. Then one of those guys will become one of my favorites on the team. Until then, it is and will be guys like trent hunter, richard park, tim jackman, joey mac, meyers.


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fastymctalent55,Nov 21 2008
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No one is bashing Jackman or Park.

They're just pointing out the fact that some fans have guys like Dany Heatley and the Sedin brothers and Alex Semin and Ryan Getzlaf to be their favorite players.

We have Tim Jackman.

Nothing against Park and Jackman, but it's just kinda lame we don't have a few superstars to rally around. It has nothing to do with Park and Jax it has to do with the rest of the team.

We have nothing to get excited about so it's our grinders who we deem indispensable and MVP worthy.

Again, nothing against the hard working players, I think many of us just wish we had more to get excited about, not players who would be on the PK units and 3 and 4th lines of other teams.


That's all.

That's exactly what I was trying to point out...
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Tim Jackman impressed me last season, but this season he seems even better.  All people have been talking about is getting an enforcer who can play the game?  We already have him.  No need to have Fritz on the roster.  Jackman should be in the lineup every night.

I like the way he's playing but he is not a good fighter. Plus, he's more of a middleweight. If he had to fight the Cotes, Laraques, Orrs, etc, he'd be dead. We still need a heavyweight who can play a little. It hasn't hurt us so far though.

He's not a good fighter, but at the current stage of the NHL you don't need to be to still be effective. You need a guy who will stand up for teammates and also be able to play the game. If there is a big rivalry game and it's needed, call up Fritz. But as far as being an every single game option, Jackman is a good one. He's a better player than Colton Orr. And besides, as long as he's not intimidated by the top enforcers around the league that's the important thing.

Agreed on Jackman being a better every game option but you have to make people pay for taking cheap shots. It's really not make someone pay when Jackman challenges them and gets his ass kicked (see the salvador fight). You need a heavyweight to put fear in people, especially other big guys. Asham was a good middleweight enforcer because he could take a regular shift and fight well enough to make people pay.
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Tim Jackman impressed me last season, but this season he seems even better.  All people have been talking about is getting an enforcer who can play the game?  We already have him.  No need to have Fritz on the roster.  Jackman should be in the lineup every night.

I like the way he's playing but he is not a good fighter. Plus, he's more of a middleweight. If he had to fight the Cotes, Laraques, Orrs, etc, he'd be dead. We still need a heavyweight who can play a little. It hasn't hurt us so far though.

He's not a good fighter, but at the current stage of the NHL you don't need to be to still be effective. You need a guy who will stand up for teammates and also be able to play the game. If there is a big rivalry game and it's needed, call up Fritz. But as far as being an every single game option, Jackman is a good one. He's a better player than Colton Orr. And besides, as long as he's not intimidated by the top enforcers around the league that's the important thing.

Agreed on Jackman being a better every game option but you have to make people pay for taking cheap shots. It's really not make someone pay when Jackman challenges them and gets his ass kicked (see the salvador fight). You need a heavyweight to put fear in people, especially other big guys. Asham was a good middleweight enforcer because he could take a regular shift and fight well enough to make people pay.

Oz, who's to say he wont get there. He was determined to improve his skating and it's paid off. He can take a regular shift and provide some chaos for the other team, and , most importantly, is willing to stand up and drop them. Maybe a few more fights and he improves there too. You have to admit he's filling a void we've had for a while and doing a pretty good job.
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bringbackziggy,Nov 20 2008
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It's reasons like this that the Islanders have been so mediocre for so long...everytime a grinder comes to the team the fans make him a fan favorite right away and root for them so much that we start to think that they are actually impact players. Just because a player works hard doesn't mean he is an impact player. I've seen it before with player like Steve Webb. The fans make them into more then they actually are. Jackman has played well for a couple game but once more talented people are healthy he should be returned to the AHL.

I agree with you to a point.

As Steve Webb goes, he was a hero on LI because he played hard and threw his body around. He wasn't a point producer, but that wasn't his role.

However, I have always had a problem with Webb as a player. Nice guy. Met him twice and couldn't be nicer. Played his butt off at NVMC and threw his body around like nobody's business.

But when it was a road game, Webb was invisibile. Seriously, watch the Toronto series from 02. Webb had a great impact in three games...all at NVMC. He wasn't hitting anyone in the 4 games at ACC in Toronto.

That was the problem I had with WEbb. Personally, I think he fed off the home crowd and when it wasn't there on the road, he didn't fill his role. jmho.

As for others like Scatchard, Park and the like... these players always gain a following no matter if they are on Detroit or on Pheonix. Smart fans know those guys who fill their roles and "play the game the right way". That is one of the reasons why every team trades for a guy like Sillinger.

I always thought Isles fans thought too highly of Webb (no offense Webby), but Park brings it every night and plays a solid game. He fills his role and can even occasionally step into other roles. That is what you need. Give me a team that plays with Park's heart every night, I'm a 5 seed.



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Tim Jackman impressed me last season, but this season he seems even better.  All people have been talking about is getting an enforcer who can play the game?  We already have him.  No need to have Fritz on the roster.  Jackman should be in the lineup every night.

I like the way he's playing but he is not a good fighter. Plus, he's more of a middleweight. If he had to fight the Cotes, Laraques, Orrs, etc, he'd be dead. We still need a heavyweight who can play a little. It hasn't hurt us so far though.

He's not a good fighter, but at the current stage of the NHL you don't need to be to still be effective. You need a guy who will stand up for teammates and also be able to play the game. If there is a big rivalry game and it's needed, call up Fritz. But as far as being an every single game option, Jackman is a good one. He's a better player than Colton Orr. And besides, as long as he's not intimidated by the top enforcers around the league that's the important thing.

Agreed on Jackman being a better every game option but you have to make people pay for taking cheap shots. It's really not make someone pay when Jackman challenges them and gets his ass kicked (see the salvador fight). You need a heavyweight to put fear in people, especially other big guys. Asham was a good middleweight enforcer because he could take a regular shift and fight well enough to make people pay.

Oz, who's to say he wont get there. He was determined to improve his skating and it's paid off. He can take a regular shift and provide some chaos for the other team, and , most importantly, is willing to stand up and drop them. Maybe a few more fights and he improves there too. You have to admit he's filling a void we've had for a while and doing a pretty good job.

Honestly, Jackman reminds me of Gary Howatt. Not due to size. When Howatt was first with the Isles he wasn't a guy who had skill. He just worked hard all the time. Sometimes he looked like he skated in socks only...like Jackman. But like Jackman, he worked on his skating with Deb Williams (powerskating) over at the old Racquet and Rink w/ Nystrom and Gillies and Howatt became a serviceable 4th line forward who would drop his gloves with anyone.

And as those Isles teams of the 70's improved, so did Howatt. By the time the cups came, Howatt's role diminished as the team no longer needed to prove its toughness on a nightly basis and other guys like Matt's Halin and Billy Carroll took his PT.

As teams improve, guys like Howatt either have to improve or will get cut. Same will be with Jackman. He will either improve or lose his spot as this team improves. But as you start building, you need those guys who bring it every night. AND YOU WANT THEM becuase one of the biggest lessons they provide to the kid that takes their roster spot is..."to get my spot, you'll need to bring it every night".
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