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Joey Mac & Rick D; TSN Power Rankings Blurb
Topic Started: Nov 25 2008, 10:45 PM (585 Views)
IronIslander77
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Though the title of this thread sounds like a new Rap Duo, I was looking at the power rankings on ESPN and TSN, I noticed two things...
The first, ESPN ranks the Islanders at a well earned and deserved 22 while TSN has the Ranked at 29.

But the second thing I saw was the following blurb on tsn:

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The Isles have won four of five, but they may have a goaltending controversy on their hands whenever Rick DiPietro returns, as Joey MacDonald has a 2.36 goals against average and .928 save percentage in ten consecutive November starts.
Key Injuries: G Rick DiPietro (knee), C Mike Comrie (hip).


I made a mention of this on our board a few weeks ago, but this situation will be one to watch when Prince Ricky returns. If Joey Mac is still posting these numbers, the islanders have one heck of a tandem when Rick Returns (provided he can get into game shape quickly).

But I still have to wonder if DP will be able to share the spot light... or will he be a punk about it.

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LEDZEP,Nov 26 2008
12:15 AM
punk B)

After careful review the term PUNK is correct but is a very BLUNT description.
My hat is off to IronIslander77 for a truly great post.
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Once THE MISTAKE returns he will not let JM play.
THE MISTAKE is very much like the bosses son
He gets more money
Mistakes are covered up
And it never gets fired.

As history as a guide THE MISTAKE will return as if the savor
has now returned and it will play with unbridled enthusiasm which
will lead to THE MISTAKE over playing and cause a strain or a tear
or a head bump to it's poor structured body type (injury prone)
which will lead to Joey Mac back in goal so Islander
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I seriously don't mind this type of controversy
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I seriously don't mind this type of controversy

This type of controversy can rip apart an organization. Golden child of the owner against a fan favorite. The Rick will get his starts and it will be up to him to be an important contributor for us to not be calling for his head and the return of Big Mac.

I am NOT looking forward to it. Right now, how's the saying go?....."MacDonalds...I'm lovin' it."

I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas!
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the right thing for the coach to do is start the goalie who is ready. if Ricky D comes back ready, give him his starts. If he's lousy, sit him and play Joey Mac until he is ready. simple as that. If Ricky's ego gets to the best of him and we see yet another fan favorite shipped off somewhere else or we see another fired coach, that's when i'll curse the name Rick DiPietro for the rest of my life.
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If Joey keeps playing like this and DP comes back healthy and playing like we know he can, they should trade Joey to the highest bidder ASAP. This team is rebuilding and a goalie can fetch a good randsom.
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Given Ricky's is competitve, cocky personality, I think having McD playing so well is exactly what Rick needs. He hasn't had anyone legitimatley push him or threaten his playing time since he was handed the #1 job. He'll b*tch and moan on the nights he doesn't start, but since he was handed that contract, he hasn't really had anything other than his inherent motivation to perform. Finally, he has a legit threat to his playing time in net and a coach who I believe will go with the hot goaltender..

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Is it spring training yet?
Isn't it 4-6 weeks yet? When is Over rated Rick coming back?

All Hail Joey! :-)
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Bruce014,Nov 26 2008
09:23 AM
Given Ricky's is competitve, cocky personality, I think having McD playing so well is exactly what Rick needs. He hasn't had anyone legitimatley push him or threaten his playing time since he was handed the #1 job. He'll b*tch and moan on the nights he doesn't start, but since he was handed that contract, he hasn't really had anything other than his inherent motivation to perform. Finally, he has a legit threat to his playing time in net and a coach who I believe will go with the hot goaltender..

if joey won't light fire under dp's ass, i don't know what/who will.

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Nice post Bruce,good common sense.

Geeze Zep, one would think you don't care for The Rick.

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I quicky questioned Cullen on how the Isles can stay at 29 after wins.....here was his quick response....

"Marc,

The Isles were 29th last week, then went 2-1 (including a shootout win) with seven goals for, eight against and lost another top nine forward (Nielsen) to injury so there was no bias needed to keep them in 29th.

Regards,
Scott Cullen | Writer/Producer | TSN.ca | scullen@tsn.ca "

I still don't buy it hehe....

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Sab31,Nov 26 2008
12:34 PM
I quicky questioned Cullen on how the Isles can stay at 29 after wins.....here was his quick response....

"Marc,

The Isles were 29th last week, then went 2-1 (including a shootout win) with seven goals for, eight against and lost another top nine forward (Nielsen) to injury so there was no bias needed to keep them in 29th.

Regards,
Scott Cullen | Writer/Producer | TSN.ca | scullen@tsn.ca "

I still don't buy it hehe....

SAB

Has nothing to do with bias, more to do with ignorance.

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Cullen has already said he does his rankings by stats...not wins and losses but player stats. It is better for a fantasy team. Look at the Isles and other than MacD no one is jumping off the screen on a fantasy team.

Cullen's rankings are idiotic. He knows it. We've called him on it before.


As for the whole Rick v. MacD thing, I find it comical. Only 6 months ago we had people crying all over this board that we didn't resign Dubie for "this unproven goalie that couldn't make it in the Detroit organization". That's what some posters said of him.

Now, after 22 starts we have a goaltending controversy??? Really? I believe Steve Penny had a few hot months for Montreal back in 84 never to be heard from again. I hope that doesn't happen with Joey Mac. He's been strong in net playing positionally sound hockey. He's been taking care of his crease well and remaining big in it, but I do find it amusing that he's shown he has absolutely no businesses handling the puck. He's already had some blunders handling the puck, but no one rails about them the way they do with DP.

The truth is, there is no "controversy". WE dont know if Joey Mac can go an entire season playing at this level as a number one goalie. I hope he can. It would be a great problem to have. But I don't know that it is likely considering he just got to the nhl after several years of ups and downs. Why there is a supposed controversy when DP is still at least a month away I have no idea.

Having two strong options to put between the pipes. What a terrible idea. Worked horribly for Detroit, didn't it. And they had the biggest primadonna in the world in Hasek.

Typical NY fans. Sounds like the Giants in 1991. Our number one guy isn't even off the DL yet and people are ready to run him out of town in favor of a guy they didn't even want 6 months ago. And if that should happen, people still probably won't even give Snow credit for signing MacD over Dubie, despite the fact they were clobbering Snow for it all last season.

Talk about looking for scapegoats. Holy John Kerry-itis
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Cullen has already said he does his rankings by stats...not wins and losses but player stats.  It is better for a fantasy team.  Look at the Isles and other than MacD no one is jumping off the screen on a fantasy team.

Cullen's rankings are idiotic.  He knows it.  We've called him on it before.


As for the whole Rick v. MacD thing, I find it comical.  Only 6 months ago we had people crying all over this board that we didn't resign Dubie for "this unproven goalie that couldn't make it in the Detroit organization".  That's what some posters said of him.

Now, after 22 starts we have a goaltending controversy???  Really?  I believe Steve Penny had a few hot months for Montreal back in 84 never to be heard from again.  I hope that doesn't happen with Joey Mac.  He's been strong in net playing positionally sound hockey.  He's been taking care of his crease well and remaining big in it, but I do find it amusing that he's shown he has absolutely no businesses handling the puck.  He's already had some blunders handling the puck, but no one rails about them the way they do with DP. 

The truth is, there is no "controversy".  WE dont know if Joey Mac can go an entire season playing at this level as a number one goalie.  I hope he can.  It would be a great problem to have.  But I don't know that it is likely considering he just got to the nhl after several years of ups and downs.  Why there is a supposed controversy when DP is still at least a month away I have no idea.

Having two strong options to put between the pipes.  What a terrible idea.  Worked horribly for Detroit, didn't it.  And they had the biggest primadonna in the world in Hasek.

Typical NY fans.  Sounds like the Giants in 1991.  Our number one guy isn't even off the DL yet and people are ready to run him out of town in favor of a guy they didn't even want 6 months ago.  And if that should happen, people still probably won't even give Snow credit for signing MacD over Dubie, despite the fact they were clobbering Snow for it all last season.

Talk about looking for scapegoats.  Holy John Kerry-itis

I don't think it is a case of anyone trying to run anyone out of town. Having two solid netminders is a great thing. Look at the Smith/Resh tandem. The question I purposed was, when he returns, can DP share the limelight? He wants to be the Broduer of this team.

I'd like to see a healthy DP standing on his head and stealing games thrusting him to all star status again. I'd like him to prove on a consistant basis that he was worth the 15 year commitment. Prove he's better that Lundqvist. But I'd also like to see Joey Mac get a fair share of starts.

I admit I had concerns about Joey Mac when the season began. But he has proved to be a solid backup - even when under pressure. He has proven to be legit insurance if DP is injured again.

Scott Gordon now has the opportunity to not overplay the franchise goalie and subject him increased injury potential. At the same time, he has a solid back up that can hold the fort.

As a team, its a total win. As a fan its a releif. But for DP?

I don't honestly beleive that it was DP that banished Dubie to the KHL. Snow was the one calling him out at the start of theseason for reporting to camp out of shape. I loved Dubie, but he was the odd man out. The organization saw something in Joey D and he is proving that night after night.

If DP has truly matured like they say, he will return and have the peace of mind that if he gets a night off, his team won't be handing out 2 points with out a fight.
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IronIslander77,Nov 26 2008
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Cullen has already said he does his rankings by stats...not wins and losses but player stats.  It is better for a fantasy team.  Look at the Isles and other than MacD no one is jumping off the screen on a fantasy team.

Cullen's rankings are idiotic.  He knows it.  We've called him on it before.


As for the whole Rick v. MacD thing, I find it comical.  Only 6 months ago we had people crying all over this board that we didn't resign Dubie for "this unproven goalie that couldn't make it in the Detroit organization".  That's what some posters said of him.

Now, after 22 starts we have a goaltending controversy???  Really?  I believe Steve Penny had a few hot months for Montreal back in 84 never to be heard from again.  I hope that doesn't happen with Joey Mac.  He's been strong in net playing positionally sound hockey.  He's been taking care of his crease well and remaining big in it, but I do find it amusing that he's shown he has absolutely no businesses handling the puck.  He's already had some blunders handling the puck, but no one rails about them the way they do with DP. 

The truth is, there is no "controversy".  WE dont know if Joey Mac can go an entire season playing at this level as a number one goalie.  I hope he can.  It would be a great problem to have.  But I don't know that it is likely considering he just got to the nhl after several years of ups and downs.  Why there is a supposed controversy when DP is still at least a month away I have no idea.

Having two strong options to put between the pipes.  What a terrible idea.  Worked horribly for Detroit, didn't it.  And they had the biggest primadonna in the world in Hasek.

Typical NY fans.  Sounds like the Giants in 1991.  Our number one guy isn't even off the DL yet and people are ready to run him out of town in favor of a guy they didn't even want 6 months ago.  And if that should happen, people still probably won't even give Snow credit for signing MacD over Dubie, despite the fact they were clobbering Snow for it all last season.

Talk about looking for scapegoats.  Holy John Kerry-itis

If DP has truly matured like they say, he will return and have the peace of mind that if he gets a night off, his team won't be handing out 2 points with out a fight.

Did you ever think the Isles may not have that much affection for dp
and feel more on the same page with JM.

Standing on his head for 2 points
was that one of his two playoff wins
in his 35 year career so far with Isles :disgraced:
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Joey Mac should start this season..Let Rick shut it down and come back again next season..
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LEDZEP,Nov 26 2008
04:38 PM
Did you ever think the Isles may not have that much affection for dp
and feel more on the same page with JM.

:family2: EXACTAMUNDO! :family2:

You are so dead-on right about this, Zep, you left even me without a thing to add.

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Joey Mac should start this season..Let Rick shut it down and come back again next season..

The problem with that notion (not referring to DP shutting it down, but to Joey Mac starting the rest of the way) is are we going to use Joey Mac as often as DP was run out the last 2 seasons.

In each of the past two seasons, DP was on pace to start 70+ games when he was injured. As it was, he started 62 games each year with missing time with injuries. That makes no sense to me. Look at MAF in Pitt or Miller in Buff. Do they start 70+ games a year? It makes no sense to run out a young goalie that often.

If the Isles want to start Joey Mac or DP or whomever their number one goalie is 60-65 games a year and let the backup take 20 or so starts...great. That pace makes sense. But your goalie shouldn't be hitting game 65 by late February unless his name is Brodeur.

That is what the Isles have done the last two seasons with DP. If you look at this season, that is what they are doing with Joey Mac. I don't think Joey Mac is ready to start 70+ nhl games his first full season in the bigs, do you?

Now, part of that is necessity. Dubie wasn't in shape last year and this year Joey Mac did not have a viable backup in Danis as shown in the DAllas game. But something needs to be done about a backup/3rd goalie for this year. Otherwise, are we risking overusing Joey Mac?
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