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Islanders way of "playing"; coaching or talent or WHAT?
Topic Started: Nov 13 2008, 09:04 AM (1,853 Views)
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wood11,Nov 16 2008
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:blah: Detroit builds there team and adds free agents see Rafalski, Hossa and built with a young mix, Pitt added free agents also. And yes I will still buy tickets not as much but the one thing I am not is a fair weather fan, I have been a fan of this team for 30 years and it is getting frustrating of the constant change, and as for the Yankees I happen to be a met fan, the Yankees are a great organization that will be around forever. I dont know how you think that Mr. Wang will not get frustrated as well with no people in the stands and losing 20million dollars a year, he will soon, we have been fortuate he has not been frustrated yet but you can bank if he cant get the lighthouse deal done, this team will be playinging somewhere else.

Really? For Detroit you can name 1 FA for their cup winner? yeah...they really used FA to build a winner. Now look at the roster and see how many guys they either drafted or traded for.

Same with Pitt. Who are those those key FA's Pitt had in their run to the finals? Wasn't Crosby, MAF, Malkin, Malone, Whitney was it?

As for your baseball analogy, it doesn't apply. That was my point. The Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all just throw money at their problems. You can do that when you have ungodly sources of revenue and no salary cap to speak of. That isn't the case in the NHL. And last I checked, the formula of getting FA's to fill their holes hasn't worked for the Yankees this century...oh, and they were just passed in the standings by a very young team from TB that spent the last 4-5 seasons building through...THE DRAFT.

Since you are convinced the Isles are wrong to play their kids, who should they have gotten/or play in their place? What should the Isles have done this offseason...that was actually possible?

I find it amusing that the Islanders said since late last season that we are in a youth movment...which means playing the kids...and here we are less than 20 games into the season and some fans are shocked we are ... playing kids.

Did you not believe them when you bought your tickets? Did you expect to walk into NVMC and see Hossa or Drury or god forbid Avery in an Isles uniform?

The Isles were very up front about what they were doing this year. If people weren't listening when they bought their tickets, that is on them.

Rebuilds don't happen overnight.

:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?
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:blah: Detroit builds there team and adds free agents see Rafalski, Hossa and built with a young mix, Pitt added free agents also. And yes I will still buy tickets not as much but the one thing I am not is a fair weather fan, I have been a fan of this team for 30 years and it is getting frustrating of the constant change, and as for the Yankees I happen to be a met fan, the Yankees are a great organization that will be around forever. I dont know how you think that Mr. Wang will not get frustrated as well with no people in the stands and losing 20million dollars a year, he will soon, we have been fortuate he has not been frustrated yet but you can bank if he cant get the lighthouse deal done, this team will be playinging somewhere else.

Really? For Detroit you can name 1 FA for their cup winner? yeah...they really used FA to build a winner. Now look at the roster and see how many guys they either drafted or traded for.

Same with Pitt. Who are those those key FA's Pitt had in their run to the finals? Wasn't Crosby, MAF, Malkin, Malone, Whitney was it?

As for your baseball analogy, it doesn't apply. That was my point. The Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all just throw money at their problems. You can do that when you have ungodly sources of revenue and no salary cap to speak of. That isn't the case in the NHL. And last I checked, the formula of getting FA's to fill their holes hasn't worked for the Yankees this century...oh, and they were just passed in the standings by a very young team from TB that spent the last 4-5 seasons building through...THE DRAFT.

Since you are convinced the Isles are wrong to play their kids, who should they have gotten/or play in their place? What should the Isles have done this offseason...that was actually possible?

I find it amusing that the Islanders said since late last season that we are in a youth movment...which means playing the kids...and here we are less than 20 games into the season and some fans are shocked we are ... playing kids.

Did you not believe them when you bought your tickets? Did you expect to walk into NVMC and see Hossa or Drury or god forbid Avery in an Isles uniform?

The Isles were very up front about what they were doing this year. If people weren't listening when they bought their tickets, that is on them.

Rebuilds don't happen overnight.

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Exactly, I think people are driving themselves crazy looking at the win/loss record.

As crazy as it sounds, you can't watch this team hoping they'll win every game. Anyone who does that is going to go nuts. In fact, I think it's clouding a lot of fans' judgment right now.

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:blah: Detroit builds there team and adds free agents see Rafalski, Hossa and built with a young mix, Pitt added free agents also. And yes I will still buy tickets not as much but the one thing I am not is a fair weather fan, I have been a fan of this team for 30 years and it is getting frustrating of the constant change, and as for the Yankees I happen to be a met fan, the Yankees are a great organization that will be around forever. I dont know how you think that Mr. Wang will not get frustrated as well with no people in the stands and losing 20million dollars a year, he will soon, we have been fortuate he has not been frustrated yet but you can bank if he cant get the lighthouse deal done, this team will be playinging somewhere else.

Really? For Detroit you can name 1 FA for their cup winner? yeah...they really used FA to build a winner. Now look at the roster and see how many guys they either drafted or traded for.

Same with Pitt. Who are those those key FA's Pitt had in their run to the finals? Wasn't Crosby, MAF, Malkin, Malone, Whitney was it?

As for your baseball analogy, it doesn't apply. That was my point. The Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all just throw money at their problems. You can do that when you have ungodly sources of revenue and no salary cap to speak of. That isn't the case in the NHL. And last I checked, the formula of getting FA's to fill their holes hasn't worked for the Yankees this century...oh, and they were just passed in the standings by a very young team from TB that spent the last 4-5 seasons building through...THE DRAFT.

Since you are convinced the Isles are wrong to play their kids, who should they have gotten/or play in their place? What should the Isles have done this offseason...that was actually possible?

I find it amusing that the Islanders said since late last season that we are in a youth movment...which means playing the kids...and here we are less than 20 games into the season and some fans are shocked we are ... playing kids.

Did you not believe them when you bought your tickets? Did you expect to walk into NVMC and see Hossa or Drury or god forbid Avery in an Isles uniform?

The Isles were very up front about what they were doing this year. If people weren't listening when they bought their tickets, that is on them.

Rebuilds don't happen overnight.

:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?
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:blah: Detroit builds there team and adds free agents see Rafalski, Hossa and built with a young mix, Pitt added free agents also. And yes I will still buy tickets not as much but the one thing I am not is a fair weather fan, I have been a fan of this team for 30 years and it is getting frustrating of the constant change, and as for the Yankees I happen to be a met fan, the Yankees are a great organization that will be around forever. I dont know how you think that Mr. Wang will not get frustrated as well with no people in the stands and losing 20million dollars a year, he will soon, we have been fortuate he has not been frustrated yet but you can bank if he cant get the lighthouse deal done, this team will be playinging somewhere else.

Really? For Detroit you can name 1 FA for their cup winner? yeah...they really used FA to build a winner. Now look at the roster and see how many guys they either drafted or traded for.

Same with Pitt. Who are those those key FA's Pitt had in their run to the finals? Wasn't Crosby, MAF, Malkin, Malone, Whitney was it?

As for your baseball analogy, it doesn't apply. That was my point. The Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all just throw money at their problems. You can do that when you have ungodly sources of revenue and no salary cap to speak of. That isn't the case in the NHL. And last I checked, the formula of getting FA's to fill their holes hasn't worked for the Yankees this century...oh, and they were just passed in the standings by a very young team from TB that spent the last 4-5 seasons building through...THE DRAFT.

Since you are convinced the Isles are wrong to play their kids, who should they have gotten/or play in their place? What should the Isles have done this offseason...that was actually possible?

I find it amusing that the Islanders said since late last season that we are in a youth movment...which means playing the kids...and here we are less than 20 games into the season and some fans are shocked we are ... playing kids.

Did you not believe them when you bought your tickets? Did you expect to walk into NVMC and see Hossa or Drury or god forbid Avery in an Isles uniform?

The Isles were very up front about what they were doing this year. If people weren't listening when they bought their tickets, that is on them.

Rebuilds don't happen overnight.

:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?

:disgraced: He is better then Tambellni, and shows hope. I never said dont play kids play the wright ones.
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wood11,Nov 16 2008
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fastymctalent55,Nov 16 2008
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wood11,Nov 16 2008
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Islander4cups,Nov 16 2008
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wood11,Nov 16 2008
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:blah: Detroit builds there team and adds free agents see Rafalski, Hossa and built with a young mix, Pitt added free agents also. And yes I will still buy tickets not as much but the one thing I am not is a fair weather fan, I have been a fan of this team for 30 years and it is getting frustrating of the constant change, and as for the Yankees I happen to be a met fan, the Yankees are a great organization that will be around forever. I dont know how you think that Mr. Wang will not get frustrated as well with no people in the stands and losing 20million dollars a year, he will soon, we have been fortuate he has not been frustrated yet but you can bank if he cant get the lighthouse deal done, this team will be playinging somewhere else.

Really? For Detroit you can name 1 FA for their cup winner? yeah...they really used FA to build a winner. Now look at the roster and see how many guys they either drafted or traded for.

Same with Pitt. Who are those those key FA's Pitt had in their run to the finals? Wasn't Crosby, MAF, Malkin, Malone, Whitney was it?

As for your baseball analogy, it doesn't apply. That was my point. The Yankees, Red Sox and Mets all just throw money at their problems. You can do that when you have ungodly sources of revenue and no salary cap to speak of. That isn't the case in the NHL. And last I checked, the formula of getting FA's to fill their holes hasn't worked for the Yankees this century...oh, and they were just passed in the standings by a very young team from TB that spent the last 4-5 seasons building through...THE DRAFT.

Since you are convinced the Isles are wrong to play their kids, who should they have gotten/or play in their place? What should the Isles have done this offseason...that was actually possible?

I find it amusing that the Islanders said since late last season that we are in a youth movment...which means playing the kids...and here we are less than 20 games into the season and some fans are shocked we are ... playing kids.

Did you not believe them when you bought your tickets? Did you expect to walk into NVMC and see Hossa or Drury or god forbid Avery in an Isles uniform?

The Isles were very up front about what they were doing this year. If people weren't listening when they bought their tickets, that is on them.

Rebuilds don't happen overnight.

:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?

:disgraced: He is better then Tambellni, and shows hope. I never said dont play kids play the wright ones.

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:disgraced: He is better then Tambellni, and shows hope. I never said dont play kids play the wright ones.

two questions then...

1- Who are these "wright ones" as far as kids who should be playing and shouldn't? Tambelini has been debated endlessly on this board and if you want to say he isn't getting it done, well you won't get much of an argument from me. But he's already shown there is nothing left for him to do at the AHL level. He has to have a full shot to show what he can do at the NHL level. I agree with you that he's blowing it. But what other "kids" are you having problems with?

2- Who are these FA's we should have (and more importantly COULD HAVE) brought in over the summer? Last I checked we've had trouble landing top FA's. Just because you want them, doesn't mean they materialize...so who should have been brought in that would satisfy you that we actually could have signed? It isn't enough to wish for these guys. Santa or Hanukkah Harry (SNL reference) won't just leave these FA's by our chimney because we were nice boys and girls and wish for it.

BTW- Hossa was not a FA for the Pens. He was obtained in a trade and didn't stay just like Ryan Smyth did with us and Pens fans are still crying about it. The Pens dealt 3 former first round picks to get him. As for Sykora, he was not part of the rebuild. He was brought in last year as a FA....as a finishing piece. The Pens made the playoffs the year prior without him. Do you think this Isles team is only so far away from going deep in the playoffs that all we need to do is sign a Gary Roberts (4th liner) and Sykora (2nd liner) and that is it? The addition of those guys is something your franchise does when it is ready to make the final step in the rebuild, not step one or two.

Same with Detroit. They had so many pieces in place they needed to fill 1 hole and that is why they signed Rafalski. Everyone else on that roster last year has been in Detroit for a few years going through their system. As for Hossa signing with Detroit, they have so much talent they can do that. Do you think Hossa was coming here?
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:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Love the logic :dontknow:
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It is nice with no Comrie.

I've supported Comrie when most would bash him, and I had a feeling he was playing injured this year. But I think management should start thinking about the (trade)return that could be...
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1- Who are these "wright ones" as far as kids who should be playing and shouldn't? Tambelini has been debated endlessly on this board and if you want to say he isn't getting it done, well you won't get much of an argument from me. But he's already shown there is nothing left for him to do at the AHL level. He has to have a full shot to show what he can do at the NHL level. I agree with you that he's blowing it. But what other "kids" are you having problems with?

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He has to have a full shot to show what he can do at the NHL level.

Instead he's using his shot to prove what he can't do at the NHL level.

I've enjoyed watching the start of the rebuild with Okposo, Bailey, Jackman and Nielsen. No frustrations there as they come to play, get dirty, make something happen. My anticipation level goes up when they are out on the ice, so in that respect we are doing the right thing by placing more important roles on them. I think Comeau can add to that excitement. It's not coming from #15 so what's the harm in swapping those two.

I know, I know, #15 is on a one-way two year contract, but Snow has to do something and not let a contract stand in the way of what's the best course of action. You think we'd be talking about him up here as an Islander if he had a two way contract, and 0 goals in 15 games? No because he'd be at the bridge, and that's my point. Snow still has to do what's best for the team's future.


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I think all of the kids are showing something even Tambellini in the last few games (with the exception of the last two Ottawa ones because I didn't get to watch them). I am still on board with the get rid of Tamby movement, but I think he's starting to show more promise. He needs to put up some damn numbers, though. Lack of numbers and he's gotta go. Even Jackman scored!

I don't know why Comeau isn't up, but I'm sure when there is a spot, we'll see him in Islander blue.

One comment on Jackman, he needs to take fighting lessons from Cairns. Neil whooped him. It's good that he's there to enforce and take some punches for his teammates, but he doesn't need to be a punching bag.
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I think all of the kids are showing something even Tambellini in the last few games (with the exception of the last two Ottawa ones because I didn't get to watch them). I am still on board with the get rid of Tamby movement, but I think he's starting to show more promise. He needs to put up some damn numbers, though. Lack of numbers and he's gotta go. Even Jackman scored!

I don't know why Comeau isn't up, but I'm sure when there is a spot, we'll see him in Islander blue.

One comment on Jackman, he needs to take fighting lessons from Cairns. Neil whooped him. It's good that he's there to enforce and take some punches for his teammates, but he doesn't need to be a punching bag.

Maybe Comeau is playing crappy at Bridgeport and that's why he isn't up.
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Neil whoops alot of guys. What's more important is Jackman stood up, didnt think twice about it and even initiated it. An element that only he is providing to this current lineup.
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I think all of the kids are showing something even Tambellini in the last few games (with the exception of the last two Ottawa ones because I didn't get to watch them). I am still on board with the get rid of Tamby movement, but I think he's starting to show more promise. He needs to put up some damn numbers, though. Lack of numbers and he's gotta go. Even Jackman scored!

I don't know why Comeau isn't up, but I'm sure when there is a spot, we'll see him in Islander blue.

One comment on Jackman, he needs to take fighting lessons from Cairns. Neil whooped him. It's good that he's there to enforce and take some punches for his teammates, but he doesn't need to be a punching bag.

Maybe Comeau is playing crappy at Bridgeport and that's why he isn't up.

Comeau's 4th on the team in scoring with 2G, 10A, 12 pts and he's played 5 fewer games than everyone else.

If you want an update go to Bridgeports message board and PM OneTigerFan.

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:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Love the logic :dontknow:

:blah: Love the logic when was the last time the wings rebuilt they have not had a losing season since 90-91 and they were only 4 games under 500, I would take that for this team, they did it with what you said building through there system. But also by making trades and signing free agents, they always put a good product on the ice. Welcome to Kansas toto, just because we have great tradition that willl not help from somebody moving this team if Wang keeps losing money they will not have time to rebuild for the next 3 years face the reality it is about dollars. Here come your Kansas Islanders.
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:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Love the logic :dontknow:

:blah: Love the logic when was the last time the wings rebuilt they have not had a losing season since 90-91 and they were only 4 games under 500, I would take that for this team, they did it with what you said building through there system. But also by making trades and signing free agents, they always put a good product on the ice. Welcome to Kansas toto, just because we have great tradition that willl not help from somebody moving this team if Wang keeps losing money they will not have time to rebuild for the next 3 years face the reality it is about dollars. Here come your Kansas Islanders.

really. what are you blathering on about. The Wings built themsevles THRU THE DRAFT. Please take a look at their first cup winner in 96 and see how many of those guys were home grown. Same thing with last year. The wings go out and get a FA to fill a hole, not be the centerpiece.

And because they have been a contender for 15 straight seasons, they can attract a top line FA like a Hossa or Rafalski when they need to. But how can the Isles?

The Isles need to draft a core of guys and have them develop before we can put the FA "icing on the cake" so to speak.

You are missing the big picture. You mentioned the Yankees before. Their genius in the 90's wasn't they they went out and go FAs to be the star of the team. They brought them up thru their system (something they didn't do in the 80's) in guys like Jeter, Williams, Posada, Pettite, Rivera and then filling in gaps with FA's. The Wings did the same thing. That is how you properly use FA if you want to build a winner. FA isn't your foundation. It is the finishing touch.

Right now the Islanders have too many holes to fill with FA's. In fact, even when we try, we can't attract them, so I have no flipping idea what you are going on about this for.

You said the "wright" kids should be playing. Who besides Tambelini shouldn't be on the team?
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:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Love the logic :dontknow:

:blah: Love the logic when was the last time the wings rebuilt they have not had a losing season since 90-91 and they were only 4 games under 500, I would take that for this team, they did it with what you said building through there system. But also by making trades and signing free agents, they always put a good product on the ice. Welcome to Kansas toto, just because we have great tradition that willl not help from somebody moving this team if Wang keeps losing money they will not have time to rebuild for the next 3 years face the reality it is about dollars. Here come your Kansas Islanders.

The Wings built themsevles THRU THE DRAFT.

The NEW Isles are not the Wings :selfhit:
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:disgraced: Wait what about Rafalski did he help wings win cup? What about Hossa for Pitt and Skyora, never said dont play the kids just play the wright kids, I am not opposed to playing the kids but this team has too many kids that should be in the minors and where the hell is Comeau?

So the team has too many kids, but they should bring Comeau up?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Love the logic :dontknow:

:blah: Love the logic when was the last time the wings rebuilt they have not had a losing season since 90-91 and they were only 4 games under 500, I would take that for this team, they did it with what you said building through there system. But also by making trades and signing free agents, they always put a good product on the ice. Welcome to Kansas toto, just because we have great tradition that willl not help from somebody moving this team if Wang keeps losing money they will not have time to rebuild for the next 3 years face the reality it is about dollars. Here come your Kansas Islanders.

The Wings built themsevles THRU THE DRAFT.

The NEW Isles are not the Wings :selfhit:

:disgraced: Good point zep, wait Ken Holland is our gm he will fix everything, oh wait I was dreaming, are gm is a backup goalie he is going too make everything better, he is going to keep trading up to stockpile young talent, hah hah Ted Nolan you have to play Tambellni more or your done, oh bye Ted welcome fisherman. If the Islanders can produce two young guys that would be a miracle, wake up Bill Torrey and Al Arbour are not here upper management sucks, hello KANSAS.
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