Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to NY IslandersCountry. We hope you enjoy your visit.


You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free.


Join our community!


If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
Quick Fixes
Topic Started: Nov 27 2008, 04:58 PM (679 Views)
wessa
AHL Callup
I am trying to stay calm after last night's debacle. Let's not forget that we had won 5 of 6 before that. However, there are quick fixes that can really influence this team now:

1) End the Mitch Fritz experiment. Toughness is very overrated in this league. Mottau wasn't afraid to give neilsen an elbow to the head even though Fritz was on the bench. At this point, Fritz follows the same protocol every game: play one shift where you constantly skate after the puck but never touch it, play a second shift and get in a fight, sit for the rest of the game. The guy is playing less than 2 minutes a game. It is a waste of a roster spot. Hello Mike Sillinger, goodbye Mitch Fritz.

2) Bench Tambellini. I know there is a whole thread on this, so I may be beating a dead horse, but this is getting out of hand. It is getting to a point where I watch a whole game and never once think of him. He is a ghost out there. I am sure Islander fans would much rather see someone with some confidence and grit, maybe a guy by the name of Blake Comeau.

3) Stop putting Hilbert on the top three lines. If you sit anywhere near 303, you have certainly heard my roommate and I with screams of "Go to the bench, Hilbert!" The guy has a real talent for falling down for no discernible reason. Yeah, yeah, he has five goals. However all but one have been garbage goals that either hit him or his stick without him putting any effort in (trent hunter's goal in montreal) or him throwing the puck blindly at the net. I understand that he is a hard worker, especially on the pk, but he has no confidence with the puck. Whenever he gets the puck in the open ice, he immediately throws it into the opponent's zone without even looking up. Let him play on the 4th line and the pk, but how bout we give colliton and jackman some time on the third line to see what they can do (jackman has looked like a completely different player with the puck this year).

4) Bring back the chicken dance

That is all...
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Islander4cups
Member Avatar
In Garth I Trust
Hilbert has shown more confidence with the puck this year than many players and has played well. If you are going to demote him to 4th line pt, who are you going to promote to take his spot?

I'm not saying he's a legit top 3 line guy on a contending team, but do the Isles have the personnel to replace him at this point?

Honestly, I think guys like Hilbert, Sims and Bergie are at best 3rd or 4th liners on elite teams. For us, they play above that because we lack the talent.
I miss these :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: and want more of them
Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
wessa
AHL Callup
Islander4cups,Nov 27 2008
05:48 PM
Hilbert has shown more confidence with the puck this year than many players and has played well.  If you are going to demote him to 4th line pt, who are you going to promote to take his spot?

I'm not saying he's a legit top 3 line guy on a contending team, but do the Isles have the personnel to replace him at this point?

Honestly, I think guys like Hilbert, Sims and Bergie are at best 3rd or 4th liners on elite teams.  For us, they play above that because we lack the talent.

sillinger should be returning soon, he should take a top forward spot, in addition, richard park should never be on the 4th line with hilbert playing in front of him. That has happened a lot in the past two years and it is an absolute disgrace to park. He is one of our smartest and most confident players with the puck
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
The Moose
Member Avatar
i CAN has a goal!
Your lack of appreciation for what Hilbert does amazes me.

He's our best defensive forward and one our fastest players.

The level of ignorance with regard to Hilbert from Islander fans is repulsive.

There's more to the game than offense, you know?
Posted Image
The Hardhat Line, doing work in an NHL arena near you.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Big Phil
Member Avatar
Blast from the Past
I agree with the point on Fritz, he really isnt creating any opportunities. I would use that spot to call up Comeau. I dont think Taambellini should be benched. He is a young player and I'm sure hes just as frustrated with himself as we are, benching him will just hurt his confidence. If I felt this team were going anywhere, or he was considerably hurthing the team, then yea bench him, but neither of those are the case.

One bad game after several solid ones, I'm not bitching.


Fritz <--> Comeau
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
3POTI
Member Avatar
Bring back...PRIDE OF THE ISLAND



tambellini, I really don't like the guy, but he does look like he is trying to do something out there...this guy is going to need one full year in the nhl, and then you're really going to see his ahl superstar abilities take over. He is a slow learner, nothing wrong with that. :dontknow:


HE'S A SLOW LEARNER
1ST QUESTION: DOES HE COME WITH THAT SPECIAL BUS??

WHO'S SLOWER
THE PLAYER OR THE TEAM WAITING FOR ANY SIGN OF LIFE?
Today Is A Great Day To Be An Islander Fan!
Live For The Moment!

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Westfall18
Member Avatar
We are the Loyal Fan Base.
Mitch Fritz could beat you senseless!
The Keeper of All Things Westfall
William H. McCue Sr. 1934-2015 Rest in Peace Poppa.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Webb20
Member Avatar
Godfather
I have to say that with the talent we have, I've been plenty pleased with Gordon's choice of utilization. When he saw Okposo start to gain the confidence he started using him more and in more situations. The same with Bailey. He sees what's happening on the ice and adjusts accordingly. Unlike Nolan who had his game plan in his mind and didnt deviat from it too much.

He's put more responsibility on Hilbert and he's responded, as just about everyone on the roster in their roles except #15 although he has reduced his importance based on his performance.

I sold it all, retired and moved to Fabulous Las Vegas!
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."-Ben Franklin
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."-Ronald Reagan
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
BSutter21
Member Avatar
All Star
Definitely torn about Fritz. Id much rather have a heavyweight who could take a regular shift than one who can't. That said, he did a have a big role, in my opinion, in the Buffalo game. Kaleta and company were running around ealry in that game. Fritz then dropped Peters with that uppercut and I think the team really gained real confidence from it and play strong the rest of the game.

That said, I think I'd be more apt to give it to a guy who can take a regular shift too. Double shifting some guys to take Fritz' spot could tax the players in this system. And then maybe bring him up for key physical matchups. At least, we have Thompson back today. Though undersized, at least he is not afraid to drop em and defend a teammate.

And yeah, leave Hilbert alone.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Islander4cups
Member Avatar
In Garth I Trust
3POTI,Nov 27 2008
09:15 PM


enough with blake comeau already. there is a reason he is still down at the bridge.
its called a contract thing...he'll be back next season... :dontknow:

exactly. He was sent down because his contract allowed it and apparently Gordon wasn't happy with the effort.


Does anyone else find it odd that last year Joey Mac had the same two way deal that Comeau has this year, but Joey Mac stayed down the entire season and no one screamed about it.

Now he comes up, and he's played great. Funny, because Dubie wasn't ready to start the season and was terrible in his first three starts last season. Where was the call to bring up Joey Mac to replace him?

Granted, no one knew Joey Mac had this in him, but here it is a year later no one is thinking, we could have had him ready to go at the beginning of last season instead of an out of shape Dubie.

When Comeau is ready to come up, he will. Just like with Joey.
I miss these :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: and want more of them
Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Islander4cups
Member Avatar
In Garth I Trust
Webb20,Nov 28 2008
08:51 AM
I have to say that with the talent we have, I've been plenty pleased with Gordon's choice of utilization. When he saw Okposo start to gain the confidence he started using him more and in more situations. The same with Bailey. He sees what's happening on the ice and adjusts accordingly. Unlike Nolan who had his game plan in his mind and didnt deviat from it too much.

He's put more responsibility on Hilbert and he's responded, as just about everyone on the roster in their roles except #15 although he has reduced his importance based on his performance.

Agreed. Nolan would continually throw out MAB, Berard, Satan, Campoli on the PP point where PK's go to become shorthanded goals. And he did it all season without making any type of adjustment.

How many people think Bailey would have gotten time on the PP in his 9 game tryout under Nolan?
I miss these :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: and want more of them
Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
IslandersWin86
Member Avatar
All Star
wessa,Nov 27 2008
07:44 PM

sillinger should be returning soon, he should take a top forward spot, in addition, richard park should never be on the 4th line with hilbert playing in front of him. That has happened a lot in the past two years and it is an absolute disgrace to park. He is one of our smartest and most confident players with the puck

Park is awesome, BUT

You neglect to mention the fact that both Sillinger and Park are Centers, and Hilbert is a winger. Not exactly a simple quick switch.
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
rifleman22
Member Avatar
All Star
With the play of Jackman and his toughness, Fritz is expendable. I think he gave everything he had and truly valued the opportunity. Grreat guy and keep him in shape at the bridge. You never know and he is a good guy to have waiting for a callup. You know what you're going to get with him.

Leave Hilbert alone. He has been a very good TWO WAY guy, he's fast as hell and fits the system. Five goals and if he keeps the pace he'll end up with 15, maybe more. And he plays a solid defensive game. Of all the guys on this team you pick him to complain about?

Let's not forget we're playing with a ton of injuries here. We just won 5 of 7. And there are guys that are making it happpen like Hunter and Weight.

Hilbert is the least of our problems.

Geeeeeeeesh..... :dontknow:
THE RIFLE

Sometimes you're the windshield,
sometimes you're the bug.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Islander4cups
Member Avatar
In Garth I Trust
rifleman22,Nov 28 2008
11:24 AM
With the play of Jackman and his toughness, Fritz is expendable. I think he gave everything he had and truly valued the opportunity. Grreat guy and keep him in shape at the bridge. You never know and he is a good guy to have waiting for a callup. You know what you're going to get with him.

Leave Hilbert alone. He has been a very good TWO WAY guy, he's fast as hell and fits the system. Five goals and if he keeps the pace he'll end up with 15, maybe more. And he plays a solid defensive game. Of all the guys on this team you pick him to complain about?

Let's not forget we're playing with a ton of injuries here. We just won 5 of 7. And there are guys that are making it happpen like Hunter and Weight.

Hilbert is the least of our problems.

Geeeeeeeesh..... :dontknow:

15 goals from a 3rd liner.... I'll take that thank you very much
I miss these :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: and want more of them
Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LEDZEP
Member Avatar
The Best That Ever Skated 80-81-82-83
Islander4cups,Nov 28 2008
01:09 PM
rifleman22,Nov 28 2008
11:24 AM
With the play of Jackman and his toughness, Fritz is expendable. I think he gave everything he had and truly valued the opportunity. Grreat guy and keep him in shape at the bridge. You never know and he is a good guy to have waiting for a callup. You know what you're going to get with him.

Leave Hilbert alone. He has been a very good TWO WAY guy, he's fast as hell and fits the system. Five goals and if he keeps the pace he'll end up with 15, maybe more. And he plays a solid defensive game. Of all the guys on this team you pick him to complain about?

Let's not forget we're playing with a ton of injuries here. We just won 5 of 7. And there are guys that are making it happpen like Hunter and Weight.

Hilbert is the least of our problems.

Geeeeeeeesh..... :dontknow:

15 goals from a 3rd liner.... I'll take that thank you very much

I'll take that much from an Islander first liner :punk: :punk: :punk: :punk:
Sometimes I grow so tired, but I know I've got one thing I got to do... Posted Image

What puckhead says is Islander law
Posted Image
Come in with the milk

"A leader, once convinced a particular course of action is the right one,
must have the determination to stick with it and be undaunted when the going gets rough."

Ronald Reagan
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
rifleman22
Member Avatar
All Star
Just proves the point. And I do think guys like him (and Franz, KO, Hunts, Weight) benefit from the system. Whereas, guys like Comrie do not.

Hell, if he gets a around a dozen as a third liner you'd have to be thrilled.

:thumbsup:
THE RIFLE

Sometimes you're the windshield,
sometimes you're the bug.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LEDZEP
Member Avatar
The Best That Ever Skated 80-81-82-83
Peter Manning :letssee:
Sometimes I grow so tired, but I know I've got one thing I got to do... Posted Image

What puckhead says is Islander law
Posted Image
Come in with the milk

"A leader, once convinced a particular course of action is the right one,
must have the determination to stick with it and be undaunted when the going gets rough."

Ronald Reagan
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
4CUPZ
Member Avatar
HEAD OF SECURITY
LEDZEP,Nov 28 2008
01:10 PM
Islander4cups,Nov 28 2008
01:09 PM
rifleman22,Nov 28 2008
11:24 AM
With the play of Jackman and his toughness, Fritz is expendable. I think he gave everything he had and truly valued the opportunity. Grreat guy and keep him in shape at the bridge. You never know and he is a good guy to have waiting for a callup. You know what you're going to get with him.

Leave Hilbert alone. He has been a very good TWO WAY guy, he's fast as hell and fits the system. Five goals and if he keeps the pace he'll end up with 15, maybe more. And he plays a solid defensive game. Of all the guys on this team you pick him to complain about?

Let's not forget we're playing with a ton of injuries here. We just won 5 of 7. And there are guys that are making it happpen like Hunter and Weight.

Hilbert is the least of our problems.

Geeeeeeeesh..... :dontknow:

15 goals from a 3rd liner.... I'll take that thank you very much

I'll take that much from an Islander first liner :punk: :punk: :punk: :punk:

POST OF THE DAY :thumbsup: :yes: :yea:
Online Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Shooter
All Star
There is NO quick fix! This team has so many problems.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
OntheIsle
Member Avatar
Big Game Hunter
You're correct there is no quick fixes to this team. But to continue on the griping of players heres my two cents:

Jon Sim- I see absolutely nothing out of this guy. We gave him a nice contract with security and to me he does not deserve it. He should be on the 4th line or healthy scratched because he shows me nothing.

Jeff Tambellini- Coming from the one committed tambellini fan, after he seeing him in person I can say he is not going to be ready for the big time. He is definitely trying but the puck just does not find his way to him. If he is sent to Bridgeport will it do the trick? Probably not, but remember we only gave up Parrish and Sopel for him not that big of a loss.

Mike Comrie- I truely think he was bothered by injury for the past year. I think once he comes back he should be fine. And when he said theres no hope I could not understand why people jumped on him for it. He has a New Yorker attitude in a canadian body, no problem with me.

Andy Sutton- I have seen flash of brilliances from this goon but he is nothing more than a Number 5/6 Defenseman at best. I think if Martinek and Witt stay healthy next season and we can sneak out signing Komisarek then Sutton will fit in perfectly. Campoli and Streit have been excellent offensively and would be great Number 4 and 5 guys if Komi is signed leaving Sutton at 6.

Radek Martinek- I have been calling for a trade of him for years even though he is usually the Islanders most sound defensemen. He is always injured and I just wanted him traded when his value was high. Now he looks like a deer in headlights when a player comes near him. He can make mistakes this season, but he better pick up next season.

Those are my gripes but here are my players I commend:

Trent Hunter- You all know Ive been Trents number 1 fan since he came up in the playoffs with what seems a long time ago. He does everything right. He is the last one to leave the ice during the skates and the last one out before the period starts always slapping asses and giving encouragement. Definite Assistant when Guerin and Silly retire.

Josh Bailey- Kid has been stellar. Great set up man. I can see him playing 2nd line center for years to come.

Dick Park- The guys does it all, and is becoming a definite fan favorite on the Island.

Bergie- Always around the puck. Doesnt have the most skill but definitely going to be a solid 3rd liner.

Other notables: Frans Nielsen, Chris Campoli, Mark Streit, Andy Hilbert, Tim Jackman

If the Islanders were healthy they would be a solid team look at this lineup

Guerin-Comrie-Weight
Okposo-Bailey-Bergie
Hunter-Silly-Nielsen
Park-Hilbert-Jackman

Witt-Martinek
Streit-Campoli
Sutton-Meyer

Thats a solid healthy lineup, but of course were not healthy!
Posted Image
New York Islanders 2009-2010 Hockey: Hereeeeeeeee's JOHNNY!
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Create your own social network with a free forum.
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · General Islanders News · Next Topic »
Add Reply