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Topic Started: Nov 27 2008, 04:58 PM (680 Views)
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except Hilbert is not a center, Weight is and Park is the second best faceoff guy on the Isles when Silly returns.
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wessa,Nov 27 2008
04:58 PM
I am trying to stay calm after last night's debacle. Let's not forget that we had won 5 of 6 before that. However, there are quick fixes that can really influence this team now:

1) End the Mitch Fritz experiment. Toughness is very overrated in this league. Mottau wasn't afraid to give neilsen an elbow to the head even though Fritz was on the bench. At this point, Fritz follows the same protocol every game: play one shift where you constantly skate after the puck but never touch it, play a second shift and get in a fight, sit for the rest of the game. The guy is playing less than 2 minutes a game. It is a waste of a roster spot. Hello Mike Sillinger, goodbye Mitch Fritz.

2) Bench Tambellini. I know there is a whole thread on this, so I may be beating a dead horse, but this is getting out of hand. It is getting to a point where I watch a whole game and never once think of him. He is a ghost out there. I am sure Islander fans would much rather see someone with some confidence and grit, maybe a guy by the name of Blake Comeau.

3) Stop putting Hilbert on the top three lines. If you sit anywhere near 303, you have certainly heard my roommate and I with screams of "Go to the bench, Hilbert!" The guy has a real talent for falling down for no discernible reason. Yeah, yeah, he has five goals. However all but one have been garbage goals that either hit him or his stick without him putting any effort in (trent hunter's goal in montreal) or him throwing the puck blindly at the net. I understand that he is a hard worker, especially on the pk, but he has no confidence with the puck. Whenever he gets the puck in the open ice, he immediately throws it into the opponent's zone without even looking up. Let him play on the 4th line and the pk, but how bout we give colliton and jackman some time on the third line to see what they can do (jackman has looked like a completely different player with the puck this year).

4) Bring back the chicken dance

That is all...

To comment on your comments, in order.

1. I do not consider Mitch Fritz to be an "experiment". He is our enforcer who is seemingly on a shuttle between Bridgeport and Long Island. That to me is fine. I agree that we do not need him on a regular basis. However, toughness is not overrated in this league. You need team toughness now more than ever in this league. More than ever you now have these little peckerheads like Sean Avery, Ryan Hollweg, and Jarko Ruutu running guys all over the place. If you have team toughness, you will make guys pay. Hunter went after Mottau after the play happened, which was a good thing. However, I do believe that enforcers are overrated in this league and that's where Fritz plays in here. Enforcers, or true fighters, seem to only fight by appointment now-a-days instead of letting the game dictate that. If guys like Thompson, Jackman, Guerin, Witt, and Sutton want to drop the gloves and defend a teammate that is perfectly okay with me and I am 100% okay with that. That's the type of team toughness that I'm talking about.

2. Agreed about Tambellini. About 3 or 4 weeks ago Webb started a get rid of Tambellini thread. At the time I said that he deserved more time. He's absolutely gotten worse since that time and now I want him gone as well. Don't agree about Comeau though. From what I've heard he needs to learn to work harder and he doesn't deserve to be handed a roster spot. Bring up a guy like Trevor Smith who has been playing very well in the "A" ever since he got there.

3. Ah, the Andy Hilbert debate begins again. If this were last season I'd be right on board with you. In fact the first half of last season I bitched and moaned and complained about him being on the top 3 lines until I was blue in the face. This season, I don't feel the same way. Here is why. Last season we weren't rebuilding, we were supposed to be putting the players on the ice who gave us the best chance to win in a given situation. We didn't have time to let guys like Hilbert "find their scoring touch". This year, entirely different situation. No pressure of winning games and every win they get this season is gravy to me. Hilbert can play on the first line for all I care. And he's actually playing well, much better offensively than he was last season.

4. Chicken Dance only at Ranger games, which they usually do.
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Snowman39,Nov 30 2008
01:48 AM
wessa,Nov 27 2008
04:58 PM
I am trying to stay calm after last night's debacle.  Let's not forget that we had won 5 of 6 before that.  However, there are quick fixes that can really influence this team now:

1)  End the Mitch Fritz experiment.  Toughness is very overrated in this league.  Mottau wasn't afraid to give neilsen an elbow to the head even though Fritz was on the bench.  At this point, Fritz follows the same protocol every game: play one shift where you constantly skate after the puck but never touch it, play a second shift and get in a fight, sit for the rest of the game.  The guy is playing less than 2 minutes a game.  It is a waste of a roster spot.  Hello Mike Sillinger, goodbye Mitch Fritz.

2)  Bench Tambellini.  I know there is a whole thread on this, so I may be beating a dead horse, but this is getting out of hand.  It is getting to a point where I watch a whole game and never once think of him.  He is a ghost out there.  I am sure Islander fans would much rather see someone with some confidence and grit, maybe a guy by the name of Blake Comeau.

3) Stop putting Hilbert on the top three lines.  If you sit anywhere near 303, you have certainly heard my roommate and I with screams of "Go to the bench, Hilbert!"  The guy has a real talent for falling down for no discernible reason.  Yeah, yeah, he has five goals.  However all but one have been garbage goals that either hit him or his stick without him putting any effort in (trent hunter's goal in montreal) or him throwing the puck blindly at the net.  I understand that he is a hard worker, especially on the pk, but he has no confidence with the puck.  Whenever he gets the puck in the open ice, he immediately throws it into the opponent's zone without even looking up.  Let him play on the 4th line and the pk, but how bout we give colliton and jackman some time on the third line to see what they can do (jackman has looked like a completely different player with the puck this year).

4)  Bring back the chicken dance

That is all...

To comment on your comments, in order.

1. I do not consider Mitch Fritz to be an "experiment". He is our enforcer who is seemingly on a shuttle between Bridgeport and Long Island. That to me is fine. I agree that we do not need him on a regular basis. However, toughness is not overrated in this league. You need team toughness now more than ever in this league. More than ever you now have these little peckerheads like Sean Avery, Ryan Hollweg, and Jarko Ruutu running guys all over the place. If you have team toughness, you will make guys pay. Hunter went after Mottau after the play happened, which was a good thing. However, I do believe that enforcers are overrated in this league and that's where Fritz plays in here. Enforcers, or true fighters, seem to only fight by appointment now-a-days instead of letting the game dictate that. If guys like Thompson, Jackman, Guerin, Witt, and Sutton want to drop the gloves and defend a teammate that is perfectly okay with me and I am 100% okay with that. That's the type of team toughness that I'm talking about.

2. Agreed about Tambellini. About 3 or 4 weeks ago Webb started a get rid of Tambellini thread. At the time I said that he deserved more time. He's absolutely gotten worse since that time and now I want him gone as well. Don't agree about Comeau though. From what I've heard he needs to learn to work harder and he doesn't deserve to be handed a roster spot. Bring up a guy like Trevor Smith who has been playing very well in the "A" ever since he got there.

3. Ah, the Andy Hilbert debate begins again. If this were last season I'd be right on board with you. In fact the first half of last season I bitched and moaned and complained about him being on the top 3 lines until I was blue in the face. This season, I don't feel the same way. Here is why. Last season we weren't rebuilding, we were supposed to be putting the players on the ice who gave us the best chance to win in a given situation. We didn't have time to let guys like Hilbert "find their scoring touch". This year, entirely different situation. No pressure of winning games and every win they get this season is gravy to me. Hilbert can play on the first line for all I care. And he's actually playing well, much better offensively than he was last season.

4. Chicken Dance only at Ranger games, which they usually do.

I think Jackman is more so our enforcer than Fritz. Fritz is a total waste of a roster spot. At least Jackman has better speed this year and doesn't slow down the whole line.

Nothing personal about Fritz, but I think Jackman does a better job at everything. With Sillinger coming back the lines should look something like this (speculation):

Bergenheim-Weight-Guerin
Sim-Bailey-Okposo
Hilbert-Sillinger-Hunter
Thomson-Park-Jackman
Healthy Scratch: Tambellini

Witt-Martinek
Sutton-Streit
Campoli-Meyer

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I think Jackman is more so our enforcer than Fritz. Fritz is a total waste of a roster spot. At least Jackman has better speed this year and doesn't slow down the whole line.

Nothing personal about Fritz, but I think Jackman does a better job at everything. With Sillinger coming back the lines should look something like this (speculation):

Bergenheim-Weight-Guerin
Sim-Bailey-Okposo
Hilbert-Sillinger-Hunter
Thomson-Park-Jackman
Healthy Scratch: Tambellini

Witt-Martinek
Sutton-Streit
Campoli-Meyer

JoeyMac
Danis

Jackman is our enforcer by default. You gotta feel bad for the guy. He gets beat every time he drops the gloves. Just take a look at his face. However, he is a completely different player than he is last year. He is actually starting to look like a power forward and his forechecking is some of the best on the team because he actually has the ability to body people.

Listen, i know people killed me for speaking against hilbert. I appreciate what he has done. I just don't think he garners a spot on the top three because he adds nothing in terms of puck control and movement. I would much rather have park playing with hunter and sillinger. He can create and his speed will open stuff up for hunter.

Another thing that people aren't going to like: somebody needs to call out witt. For some reason he has been free of criticism based purely on his stellar first season. Well last year he was average, and he has continued to show this year that he is is a liability against speedy wingers. I am sick of watching guys go around him. Today he was a minus 1, was 4th out of the 6th defencemen in ice time, and the second goal was completely his fault when he let alfredsson go around him untouched for a give and go and a wide open goal. Somehow, though, he is the third star of the game. This guy needs to step up big time.
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Islander4cups,Nov 29 2008
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except Hilbert is not a center, Weight is and Park is the second best faceoff guy on the Isles when Silly returns.

Hilbert is a Center/Left Wing chief
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except Hilbert is not a center, Weight is and Park is the second best faceoff guy on the Isles when Silly returns.

Hilbert is a Center/Left Wing chief

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You know what? Anyone at this point still hating on Hilbert is a jackass.

There, I've said it.

Tambellini, on the other hand...
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I think Jackman is more so our enforcer than Fritz. Fritz is a total waste of a roster spot. At least Jackman has better speed this year and doesn't slow down the whole line.

Nothing personal about Fritz, but I think Jackman does a better job at everything. With Sillinger coming back the lines should look something like this (speculation):

Bergenheim-Weight-Guerin
Sim-Bailey-Okposo
Hilbert-Sillinger-Hunter
Thomson-Park-Jackman
Healthy Scratch: Tambellini

Witt-Martinek
Sutton-Streit
Campoli-Meyer

JoeyMac
Danis

Jackman is our enforcer by default. You gotta feel bad for the guy. He gets beat every time he drops the gloves. Just take a look at his face. However, he is a completely different player than he is last year. He is actually starting to look like a power forward and his forechecking is some of the best on the team because he actually has the ability to body people.

Listen, i know people killed me for speaking against hilbert. I appreciate what he has done. I just don't think he garners a spot on the top three because he adds nothing in terms of puck control and movement. I would much rather have park playing with hunter and sillinger. He can create and his speed will open stuff up for hunter.

Another thing that people aren't going to like: somebody needs to call out witt. For some reason he has been free of criticism based purely on his stellar first season. Well last year he was average, and he has continued to show this year that he is is a liability against speedy wingers. I am sick of watching guys go around him. Today he was a minus 1, was 4th out of the 6th defencemen in ice time, and the second goal was completely his fault when he let alfredsson go around him untouched for a give and go and a wide open goal. Somehow, though, he is the third star of the game. This guy needs to step up big time.

Steve's annual Andy Hilbert diatribe time.

I disagree about Hilbert. Agree with you about Witt.

Andy Hilbert was borught here to be the "lightning in a bottle" forward free agent forward on the cheap. He was bounced around several lines and while he was in many scoring situations with very little to show for it, he managed to work his tail off away from the puck, while still getting those offensive chances. That hard work, that many hockey fans fail to take notice of, earned him a spot on the team as a defensive forward, penalty killer and as a reliable, versatile forward that can be used in any situation.

For the money he's making (700k) it makes me laugh hysterically when hockey know-it-alls on various message boards take shots at him while talking up other players that should have more offensive upside but fail not only in that department but in the defensive end as well.

I've seen Hilbert called a "dime-a-dozen" hockey player.
I used to get upset at these people, now I laugh at the notion they call themselves hockey fanatics. Andy could go the rest of the year without a point and he'd still be just as productive because of his work ethic. But some refuse to take notice of ones value ANB potential unless the POINTS are there. Pathetic.

As for Witt. Thank you because I totally agree. Witt was actually out of position on 2 goals
and actually a 3rd that was saved by Joey Mac. He spends way too much time trying to block shots that it inhibits his ability to time checks inside his blue line. He was MUCH more mobile in Washington. I understand he's a fan favorite and called a "warrior", blech.
he had no business being named 3rd star. There were many others who didn't have an impact on the scoreboard but contributed in other ways.

Ok, I need a new keyboard. keep the fun stuff coming.

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You know what? Anyone at this point still hating on Hilbert is a jackass.


Gotta love intelligent, mature posts like this.
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