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OKPOSO OUT 1 MONTH
Topic Started: Dec 5 2008, 01:15 PM (591 Views)
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SPARADISO8116,Dec 6 2008
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With all these injuries one must wonder if we need a new strength and conditioning coach. Because the current guy doesn't seem to be getting the job done.

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Concur. Can't imagine this being a result of the new system.

If the excuse is the system this year, then what was the excuse last year when everyone and their mother was hurt, particularly with hip injuries.
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Okposo's decision to leave was announced by the team Wednesday afternoon. Lucia said then in a released statement that, "it is unfortunate that the Islanders put him in a very difficult position."


This an other comments were made by coach Lucia BEFORE Garth even made a public comment about KO turning pro. Lucia blasted Snow and the Isles organization first. Then he acts hurt and dumbfounded when Snow responds??? Please.

I don't pretend to know all the particulars of what went on in that situation, but what I do know is 4 other NHL teams including Buffalo and the Habs signed college kids who left school during the NCAA season and none of those coaches went ballistic or criticized the nhl team.

Lucia threw the first stone, then he and his AD said they were "dumbfounded" by Snow's comments. (its in the article) Really? Someone responds negatively to your negative comment and you are dumbfounded? I doubt the people of Minnesota are so nice that it borders on naive.

Also, I head read from that same Minnesota newspaper at the time of the event that KO had made it clear to the local media that he wasn't happy there and wished he had turned pro after his freshmen year. He wasn't happy with being moved to center amongst other things. How much did the Islanders really have to do with that?

Honestly, if the Islanders were trying to push the kid to turn pro, wouldn't they have gotten him to sign over the summer rather than in November?

as for Bailey...you mentioned "stability in coaching" in Pheonix and Chicago??? Really? Gretz is not a great coach nor is he a stable coach. In fact, with his record in his time there, if his name wasn't Gretz he wouldn't be the coach anymore. And you mention stability in Chicago? Didn't they already fire their headcoach this season? Where is all this "depth" of talent? Both teams are getting deeper, but neither team has made the playoffs in at least 5 seasons. Those kids ARE the talent that is making the teams better. We will see if it translates into playoffs, but calling both Chicago and Phoenix stable coaching situations with deep talent?? I disagree there.

btw- i'm not trying to change your opinion of garth. by all means, think what you want. I just think that too much of the media were quick to jump on the Isles' case in the KO issue because Lucia cried to the media about it. Let's face it, mediawise our Front office is an easy target. I don't think GArth is a great gm, but I think he is an ok one so far.

Lucia was looking to scapegoat imo. His team was around 500 at the time, not up to UMinn standards.

Just because the comments came out first really doesn't mean much.

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Honestly, if the Islanders were trying to push the kid to turn pro, wouldn't they have gotten him to sign over the summer rather than in November?


One would think.
If Garth wanted him then why didn't they sign earlier? The Gophers were having a tough time at that point last year. Injuries were key (we lost Ryan Stoa for the year, and he's a big part of this year's success. Lack of scoring (which KO would have helped with). And Kyle decision to go play jr's.

So just because Don "threw the first stone" might be just. There may have been something to it. Gopher fans were expecting Kyle to come back and then BANG!, get hit with him going to NY.

So Kyle didn't like Don's coaching, fine, there are a lot of players who don't agree with there coaches. (Hell I hated my senior year basketball coach) He didn't want to play center, but for injury reasons, Don felt he could help there. Is Kyle putting himself before the team then? But for Garth to come out and make the comments HE made, that just comes across as Garth being an ass in my eyes. Don's won 2, BACK TO BACK, national championships and Garth's talking about his coaching?? :dontknow: when Garth Snow has done really what in HIS career? This is what has pissed off a lot of Gopher fans (and me).

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Lucia was looking to scapegoat imo.  His team was around 500 at the time, not up to UMinn standards.


There may have been something to the Isles "tappering" (or pushing) with Kyle desision at that time. Kyle may have told Don one thing, then changed his mind (for money). But can't you then feel Don's fustration waiting for Kyle to come from jr's and then not come back at all when your trying to get your team in to a playoff run?



http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.db...1&Q_SEASON=2008

http://islanders.nhl.com/team/app?service=...id=tea_coach_20

I would have expected some mixed reaction when the Isles come the X, but if Kyle isn't on the ice, then nothing more then a game is going to take place.

Well it's a sucky chapter that's over, so Let's Go :isles: !! Let's Go Gophers!! :punk:
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Okposo's decision to leave was announced by the team Wednesday afternoon. Lucia said then in a released statement that, "it is unfortunate that the Islanders put him in a very difficult position."


This an other comments were made by coach Lucia BEFORE Garth even made a public comment about KO turning pro. Lucia blasted Snow and the Isles organization first. Then he acts hurt and dumbfounded when Snow responds??? Please.

I don't pretend to know all the particulars of what went on in that situation, but what I do know is 4 other NHL teams including Buffalo and the Habs signed college kids who left school during the NCAA season and none of those coaches went ballistic or criticized the nhl team.

Lucia threw the first stone, then he and his AD said they were "dumbfounded" by Snow's comments. (its in the article) Really? Someone responds negatively to your negative comment and you are dumbfounded? I doubt the people of Minnesota are so nice that it borders on naive.

Also, I head read from that same Minnesota newspaper at the time of the event that KO had made it clear to the local media that he wasn't happy there and wished he had turned pro after his freshmen year. He wasn't happy with being moved to center amongst other things. How much did the Islanders really have to do with that?

Honestly, if the Islanders were trying to push the kid to turn pro, wouldn't they have gotten him to sign over the summer rather than in November?

as for Bailey...you mentioned "stability in coaching" in Pheonix and Chicago??? Really? Gretz is not a great coach nor is he a stable coach. In fact, with his record in his time there, if his name wasn't Gretz he wouldn't be the coach anymore. And you mention stability in Chicago? Didn't they already fire their headcoach this season? Where is all this "depth" of talent? Both teams are getting deeper, but neither team has made the playoffs in at least 5 seasons. Those kids ARE the talent that is making the teams better. We will see if it translates into playoffs, but calling both Chicago and Phoenix stable coaching situations with deep talent?? I disagree there.

btw- i'm not trying to change your opinion of garth. by all means, think what you want. I just think that too much of the media were quick to jump on the Isles' case in the KO issue because Lucia cried to the media about it. Let's face it, mediawise our Front office is an easy target. I don't think GArth is a great gm, but I think he is an ok one so far.

Lucia was looking to scapegoat imo. His team was around 500 at the time, not up to UMinn standards.

Just because the comments came out first really doesn't mean much.

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Honestly, if the Islanders were trying to push the kid to turn pro, wouldn't they have gotten him to sign over the summer rather than in November?


One would think.
If Garth wanted him then why didn't they sign earlier? The Gophers were having a tough time at that point last year. Injuries were key (we lost Ryan Stoa for the year, and he's a big part of this year's success. Lack of scoring (which KO would have helped with). And Kyle decision to go play jr's.

So just because Don "threw the first stone" might be just. There may have been something to it. Gopher fans were expecting Kyle to come back and then BANG!, get hit with him going to NY.

So Kyle didn't like Don's coaching, fine, there are a lot of players who don't agree with there coaches. (Hell I hated my senior year basketball coach) He didn't want to play center, but for injury reasons, Don felt he could help there. Is Kyle putting himself before the team then? But for Garth to come out and make the comments HE made, that just comes across as Garth being an ass in my eyes. Don's won 2, BACK TO BACK, national championships and Garth's talking about his coaching?? :dontknow: when Garth Snow has done really what in HIS career? This is what has pissed off a lot of Gopher fans (and me).

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Lucia was looking to scapegoat imo.  His team was around 500 at the time, not up to UMinn standards.


There may have been something to the Isles "tappering" (or pushing) with Kyle desision at that time. Kyle may have told Don one thing, then changed his mind (for money). But can't you then feel Don's fustration waiting for Kyle to come from jr's and then not come back at all when your trying to get your team in to a playoff run?



http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.db...1&Q_SEASON=2008

http://islanders.nhl.com/team/app?service=...id=tea_coach_20

I would have expected some mixed reaction when the Isles come the X, but if Kyle isn't on the ice, then nothing more then a game is going to take place.

Well it's a sucky chapter that's over, so Let's Go :isles: !! Let's Go Gophers!! :punk:

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Okposo's decision to leave was announced by the team Wednesday afternoon. Lucia said then in a released statement that, "it is unfortunate that the Islanders put him in a very difficult position."


This an other comments were made by coach Lucia BEFORE Garth even made a public comment about KO turning pro. Lucia blasted Snow and the Isles organization first. Then he acts hurt and dumbfounded when Snow responds??? Please.

I don't pretend to know all the particulars of what went on in that situation, but what I do know is 4 other NHL teams including Buffalo and the Habs signed college kids who left school during the NCAA season and none of those coaches went ballistic or criticized the nhl team.

Lucia threw the first stone, then he and his AD said they were "dumbfounded" by Snow's comments. (its in the article) Really? Someone responds negatively to your negative comment and you are dumbfounded? I doubt the people of Minnesota are so nice that it borders on naive.

Also, I head read from that same Minnesota newspaper at the time of the event that KO had made it clear to the local media that he wasn't happy there and wished he had turned pro after his freshmen year. He wasn't happy with being moved to center amongst other things. How much did the Islanders really have to do with that?

Honestly, if the Islanders were trying to push the kid to turn pro, wouldn't they have gotten him to sign over the summer rather than in November?

as for Bailey...you mentioned "stability in coaching" in Pheonix and Chicago??? Really? Gretz is not a great coach nor is he a stable coach. In fact, with his record in his time there, if his name wasn't Gretz he wouldn't be the coach anymore. And you mention stability in Chicago? Didn't they already fire their headcoach this season? Where is all this "depth" of talent? Both teams are getting deeper, but neither team has made the playoffs in at least 5 seasons. Those kids ARE the talent that is making the teams better. We will see if it translates into playoffs, but calling both Chicago and Phoenix stable coaching situations with deep talent?? I disagree there.

btw- i'm not trying to change your opinion of garth. by all means, think what you want. I just think that too much of the media were quick to jump on the Isles' case in the KO issue because Lucia cried to the media about it. Let's face it, mediawise our Front office is an easy target. I don't think GArth is a great gm, but I think he is an ok one so far.

Lucia was looking to scapegoat imo. His team was around 500 at the time, not up to UMinn standards.

Just because the comments came out first really doesn't mean much.

Quote:
 
Honestly, if the Islanders were trying to push the kid to turn pro, wouldn't they have gotten him to sign over the summer rather than in November?


One would think.
If Garth wanted him then why didn't they sign earlier? The Gophers were having a tough time at that point last year. Injuries were key (we lost Ryan Stoa for the year, and he's a big part of this year's success. Lack of scoring (which KO would have helped with). And Kyle decision to go play jr's.

So just because Don "threw the first stone" might be just. There may have been something to it. Gopher fans were expecting Kyle to come back and then BANG!, get hit with him going to NY.

So Kyle didn't like Don's coaching, fine, there are a lot of players who don't agree with there coaches. (Hell I hated my senior year basketball coach) He didn't want to play center, but for injury reasons, Don felt he could help there. Is Kyle putting himself before the team then? But for Garth to come out and make the comments HE made, that just comes across as Garth being an ass in my eyes. Don's won 2, BACK TO BACK, national championships and Garth's talking about his coaching?? :dontknow: when Garth Snow has done really what in HIS career? This is what has pissed off a lot of Gopher fans (and me).

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Lucia was looking to scapegoat imo.  His team was around 500 at the time, not up to UMinn standards.


There may have been something to the Isles "tappering" (or pushing) with Kyle desision at that time. Kyle may have told Don one thing, then changed his mind (for money). But can't you then feel Don's fustration waiting for Kyle to come from jr's and then not come back at all when your trying to get your team in to a playoff run?



http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.db...1&Q_SEASON=2008

http://islanders.nhl.com/team/app?service=...id=tea_coach_20

I would have expected some mixed reaction when the Isles come the X, but if Kyle isn't on the ice, then nothing more then a game is going to take place.

Well it's a sucky chapter that's over, so Let's Go :isles: !! Let's Go Gophers!! :punk:

MN.... you need to get your cronology correct.

First, KO announced BEFORE the jr. world's that he was leaving UMn, not during or after. Don wasn't "waiting for KO to get back for jr's and then not come back at all". KO announced before the jr's (I believe 2-3 weeks before) that he was done at UMinn. If Don was waiting for him to return, then that's his problem.

Second, Garth didn't say ANYTHING publicly about the U of Minn, its program or its coach until after UMinn's headcoach opened his mouth.

Perhaps you should have read the entire article you posted...
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2007...1_questions.php
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According to the source, the push may have come from Okposo himself.

"A guy like Kyle, he's been on teams with (Jonathan) Toews and (Peter) Mueller. He sees all these guys he's played with, and he believes he's as good as, and they're having success with 10-plus goals in the NHL. So it's hard for him."

The source also said that Lucia's comments in the original press release — suggesting that the Islanders were pushing Okposo — may have set Snow off.

"I thought (the comment) was very benign," the source said. "I thought (Lucia) took the heat off Kyle by saying the Islanders put him in a tough position. ... If Kyle says no to the Islanders, he believes he can play in the NHL with his buddies. On the flip said, if he said yes to the Islanders, he says no to Minnesota. So the comment by Donny was accurate — the Islanders put him in a bad position.

"Well, now, if you're the New York Islanders, it's a bad position that he's coming to the Islanders? So (they take it as Lucia is) slamming the Islanders. As a hockey player, there's a challenge. And if you're looking for a fight, usually you'll get one."


How is criticizing another organization "benign"? Lucia has the right to be insulted when someone criticized his precious U of Minn program, but can act offended when he's the one who fired the first insult about the Isles organization? Gimme a break.

Nothing against you personally...this is to U of Minn fans in generalll...If you don't like Garth RESPONDING to comments your coach made, tell your coach to STFU. If Garth had made his comments first or without provocation from UMinn's coach, then I'd say you have a point. But for the AD to say he's "dumbfounded" by Garth's comments...that is the highest level of BS possible. How often does someone get badmouthed and not respond? If UMinn doesn't want to hear Garth's response, don't give him something to respond to.

Personally, I don't give two poops about the U of Minn, its fans or its coach. Don't like them or dislike them. Always thought they had a strong program, but if U of Minn's fans are upset by Garth's response, they can go screw. Last I checked, you don't insult someone and then cry when they respond to it.

If U Minn's fans don't like it, they need to tell their coach to stop yapping about other programs. Don't throw stones and then get made when one thrown back hits you between the eyes.
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MN....  you need to get your cronology correct.

First, KO announced BEFORE the jr. world's that he was leaving UMn, not during or after.  Don wasn't "waiting for KO to get back for jr's and then not come back at all".  KO announced before the jr's (I believe 2-3 weeks before) that he was done at UMinn.  If Don was waiting for him to return, then that's his problem.

Second, Garth didn't say ANYTHING publicly about the U of Minn, its program or its coach until after UMinn's headcoach opened his mouth.

Perhaps you should have read the entire article you posted...
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2007...1_questions.php 
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According to the source, the push may have come from Okposo himself.

"A guy like Kyle, he's been on teams with (Jonathan) Toews and (Peter) Mueller. He sees all these guys he's played with, and he believes he's as good as, and they're having success with 10-plus goals in the NHL. So it's hard for him."

The source also said that Lucia's comments in the original press release — suggesting that the Islanders were pushing Okposo — may have set Snow off.

"I thought (the comment) was very benign," the source said. "I thought (Lucia) took the heat off Kyle by saying the Islanders put him in a tough position. ... If Kyle says no to the Islanders, he believes he can play in the NHL with his buddies. On the flip said, if he said yes to the Islanders, he says no to Minnesota. So the comment by Donny was accurate — the Islanders put him in a bad position.

"Well, now, if you're the New York Islanders, it's a bad position that he's coming to the Islanders? So (they take it as Lucia is) slamming the Islanders. As a hockey player, there's a challenge. And if you're looking for a fight, usually you'll get one."


How is criticizing another organization "benign"? Lucia has the right to be insulted when someone criticized his precious U of Minn program, but can act offended when he's the one who fired the first insult about the Isles organization? Gimme a break.

Nothing against you personally...this is to U of Minn fans in generalll...If you don't like Garth RESPONDING to comments your coach made, tell your coach to STFU. If Garth had made his comments first or without provocation from UMinn's coach, then I'd say you have a point. But for the AD to say he's "dumbfounded" by Garth's comments...that is the highest level of BS possible. How often does someone get badmouthed and not respond? If UMinn doesn't want to hear Garth's response, don't give him something to respond to.

Personally, I don't give two poops about the U of Minn, its fans or its coach. Don't like them or dislike them. Always thought they had a strong program, but if U of Minn's fans are upset by Garth's response, they can go screw. Last I checked, you don't insult someone and then cry when they respond to it.

If U Minn's fans don't like it, they need to tell their coach to stop yapping about other programs. Don't throw stones and then get made when one thrown back hits you between the eyes.

In response...

1st I didn't post that article.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2007...1_questions.php

2nd ok I maybe a bit rocky with my cronology, Hell I'm getting older :drink2: but......

As I have now the above article, I find this interesting.

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"Garth told Kyle, 'College is the best time of your life, go play college,'" said the source.

Something, however, changed between now and then. Judging by Snow's recent comments, it would appear he lost so much faith in Lucia and the Minnesota program, that he felt compelled to make the move.

Okposo has been inconsistent this season. In fact, he's been inconsistent since last year's World Junior tournament, where he was considered a "disappointment" after starting his freshman season with the Gophers like a house-of-fire. Okposo had one goal in his first nine games this season, but he had six in his last nine.

But could Snow really have lost that much faith in Lucia between this past summer and now?

Bob McKenzie, former Editor-in-Chief for The Hockey News and a current TSN commentator and columnist, said that Snow's comments may have been an attempt to relieve Okposo from looking bad.


I read that as Kyle slipping, Garth getting nervous and covering his "I picked him" ass, and Lucia comments (critical or not) coming from answering a question being ask him. Then Garth's coaching comment.

And I'll say it again. 2 back to backs and ??# of Gophers playing in the NHL to Garth's career. If Garth has something to say, then say something other then that. Like maybe the truth, because I'll be hard press to believe it was coaching

And no Queenie, I'm not looking for a cat fight here. As the slogan says, "WE'RE ALL ISLANDERS"! I want nothing more then to see this team get a cup in my viewing life time. (being I never got to actually view the 4 @ that time) If Kyle made this decision, fine, can't blame him when it comes to getting paid.

But I'm also Golden Gopher Hockey fan. And when I hear comments coming from a GM (from a team I love) who really has done nothing significant in his NHL career, it bothers me.


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MN....  you need to get your cronology correct.

First, KO announced BEFORE the jr. world's that he was leaving UMn, not during or after.  Don wasn't "waiting for KO to get back for jr's and then not come back at all".  KO announced before the jr's (I believe 2-3 weeks before) that he was done at UMinn.  If Don was waiting for him to return, then that's his problem.

Second, Garth didn't say ANYTHING publicly about the U of Minn, its program or its coach until after UMinn's headcoach opened his mouth.

Perhaps you should have read the entire article you posted...
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2007...1_questions.php 
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According to the source, the push may have come from Okposo himself.

"A guy like Kyle, he's been on teams with (Jonathan) Toews and (Peter) Mueller. He sees all these guys he's played with, and he believes he's as good as, and they're having success with 10-plus goals in the NHL. So it's hard for him."

The source also said that Lucia's comments in the original press release — suggesting that the Islanders were pushing Okposo — may have set Snow off.

"I thought (the comment) was very benign," the source said. "I thought (Lucia) took the heat off Kyle by saying the Islanders put him in a tough position. ... If Kyle says no to the Islanders, he believes he can play in the NHL with his buddies. On the flip said, if he said yes to the Islanders, he says no to Minnesota. So the comment by Donny was accurate — the Islanders put him in a bad position.

"Well, now, if you're the New York Islanders, it's a bad position that he's coming to the Islanders? So (they take it as Lucia is) slamming the Islanders. As a hockey player, there's a challenge. And if you're looking for a fight, usually you'll get one."


How is criticizing another organization "benign"? Lucia has the right to be insulted when someone criticized his precious U of Minn program, but can act offended when he's the one who fired the first insult about the Isles organization? Gimme a break.

Nothing against you personally...this is to U of Minn fans in generalll...If you don't like Garth RESPONDING to comments your coach made, tell your coach to STFU. If Garth had made his comments first or without provocation from UMinn's coach, then I'd say you have a point. But for the AD to say he's "dumbfounded" by Garth's comments...that is the highest level of BS possible. How often does someone get badmouthed and not respond? If UMinn doesn't want to hear Garth's response, don't give him something to respond to.

Personally, I don't give two poops about the U of Minn, its fans or its coach. Don't like them or dislike them. Always thought they had a strong program, but if U of Minn's fans are upset by Garth's response, they can go screw. Last I checked, you don't insult someone and then cry when they respond to it.

If U Minn's fans don't like it, they need to tell their coach to stop yapping about other programs. Don't throw stones and then get made when one thrown back hits you between the eyes.

In response...

1st I didn't post that article.
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2007...1_questions.php

2nd ok I maybe a bit rocky with my cronology, Hell I'm getting older :drink2: but......

As I have now the above article, I find this interesting.

Quote:
 
"Garth told Kyle, 'College is the best time of your life, go play college,'" said the source.

Something, however, changed between now and then. Judging by Snow's recent comments, it would appear he lost so much faith in Lucia and the Minnesota program, that he felt compelled to make the move.

Okposo has been inconsistent this season. In fact, he's been inconsistent since last year's World Junior tournament, where he was considered a "disappointment" after starting his freshman season with the Gophers like a house-of-fire. Okposo had one goal in his first nine games this season, but he had six in his last nine.

But could Snow really have lost that much faith in Lucia between this past summer and now?

Bob McKenzie, former Editor-in-Chief for The Hockey News and a current TSN commentator and columnist, said that Snow's comments may have been an attempt to relieve Okposo from looking bad.


I read that as Kyle slipping, Garth getting nervous and covering his "I picked him" ass, and Lucia comments (critical or not) coming from answering a question being ask him. Then Garth's coaching comment.

And I'll say it again. 2 back to backs and ??# of Gophers playing in the NHL to Garth's career. If Garth has something to say, then say something other then that. Like maybe the truth, because I'll be hard press to believe it was coaching

And no Queenie, I'm not looking for a cat fight here. As the slogan says, "WE'RE ALL ISLANDERS"! I want nothing more then to see this team get a cup in my viewing life time. (being I never got to actually view the 4 @ that time) If Kyle made this decision, fine, can't blame him when it comes to getting paid.

But I'm also Golden Gopher Hockey fan. And when I hear comments coming from a GM (from a team I love) who really has done nothing significant in his NHL career, it bothers me.


Go Islanders!!


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Minn... I'm not looking for a catfight either. In no way do I mean any of this towards you personally. I just don't want to hear it from Minn fans when, while it might sound childish, your coach started the negative comments.

BTW-- Snow did not draft Kyle Okposo. K.O. was drafted while Neil Smith was GM for about a week and a half, so Garth has none of that C.Y.A. "I drafted him" because he didn't.

Plain and simple, I don't know for sure that Garth did or didn't get KO to go early. I've read articles on both sides. What I do know is that Minn's coach made a stupid comment in the press release about it.

Hoops college deal with this all the time. I don't hear Coach K at Duke or Coach B. in Syracuse cry about NBA teams taking their talent early.

Could Garth have taken the "high road" and said in response to Minn coach's STUPID statement, "I'm sorry he feels that way, but this was the player's decision" or "I'm sorry he feels that way but KO is now an Islander and we wish Minn a great season and continued success"? Yeah, but at the same point, could Minn's coach have said, "we hate to lose KO and we know the Islanders are getting a great talent and a great kid. We hate to lose him, but he'll wants to make the jump."

YES...Just as Minn fans are angry that Snow didn't take the high road....F THEM. Your coach didn't take it either and didn't take it first.

Personally, I don't care how many national championships he has. I lived in Syracuse for over a decade and knew many people who worked for Coach B. and they tell me he's getting grumpy and worried that his program is slipping since Melo took them to the title. Is it possible that U Minn's coach is having the same worries, or was last year? They weren't doing so hot when Kyle left and were in obvious signs of a down year.

I'm just saying that we will never know who made what decision, and while Garth could have REACTED differently to U Minn's comments, U Minn could have acted with some class to begin with.

Frankly, I'm tired of U Minn's fans biatching on the internet, yet act like their coach is beyond reproach on this topic.
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Minn... I'm not looking for a catfight either. In no way do I mean any of this towards you personally. I just don't want to hear it from Minn fans when, while it might sound childish, your coach started the negative comments.

BTW-- Snow did not draft Kyle Okposo. K.O. was drafted while Neil Smith was GM for about a week and a half, so Garth has none of that C.Y.A. "I drafted him" because he didn't.

Plain and simple, I don't know for sure that Garth did or didn't get KO to go early. I've read articles on both sides. What I do know is that Minn's coach made a stupid comment in the press release about it.

Hoops college deal with this all the time. I don't hear Coach K at Duke or Coach B. in Syracuse cry about NBA teams taking their talent early.

Could Garth have taken the "high road" and said in response to Minn coach's STUPID statement, "I'm sorry he feels that way, but this was the player's decision" or "I'm sorry he feels that way but KO is now an Islander and we wish Minn a great season and continued success"? Yeah, but at the same point, could Minn's coach have said, "we hate to lose KO and we know the Islanders are getting a great talent and a great kid. We hate to lose him, but he'll wants to make the jump."

YES...Just as Minn fans are angry that Snow didn't take the high road....F THEM. Your coach didn't take it either and didn't take it first.

Personally, I don't care how many national championships he has. I lived in Syracuse for over a decade and knew many people who worked for Coach B. and they tell me he's getting grumpy and worried that his program is slipping since Melo took them to the title. Is it possible that U Minn's coach is having the same worries, or was last year? They weren't doing so hot when Kyle left and were in obvious signs of a down year.

I'm just saying that we will never know who made what decision, and while Garth could have REACTED differently to U Minn's comments, U Minn could have acted with some class to begin with.

Frankly, I'm tired of U Minn's fans biatching on the internet, yet act like their coach is beyond reproach on this topic.

It is what it is.... Loyalty can be blind, I'll give you that. B)

And since you brought up Neil Smith, can you get me a lesson on just what the F happened with his short stint as the GM?

I never fully understood what happen with all that going on that that time.


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Islander4cups,Dec 6 2008
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Minn...  I'm not looking for a catfight either.  In no way do I mean any of this towards you personally.  I just don't want to hear it from Minn fans when, while it might sound childish, your coach started the negative comments.

BTW--  Snow did not draft Kyle Okposo.  K.O. was drafted while Neil Smith was GM for about a week and a half, so Garth has none of that C.Y.A. "I drafted him" because he didn't.

Plain and simple, I don't know for sure that Garth did or didn't get KO to go early.  I've read articles on both sides.  What I do know is that Minn's coach made a stupid comment in the press release about it.

Hoops college deal with this all the time.  I don't hear Coach K at Duke or Coach B. in Syracuse cry about NBA teams taking their talent early.

Could Garth have taken the "high road" and said in response to Minn coach's STUPID statement, "I'm sorry he feels that way, but this was the player's decision" or "I'm sorry he feels that way but KO is now an Islander and we wish Minn a great season and continued success"?  Yeah, but at the same point, could Minn's coach have said, "we hate to lose KO and we know the Islanders are getting a great talent and a great kid.  We hate to lose him, but he'll wants to make the jump."

YES...Just as Minn fans are angry that Snow didn't take the high road....F THEM.  Your coach didn't take it either and didn't take it first.

Personally, I don't care how many national championships he has.  I lived in Syracuse for over a decade and knew many people who worked for Coach B. and they tell me he's getting grumpy and worried that his program is slipping since Melo took them to the title.  Is it possible that U Minn's coach is having the same worries, or was last year?  They weren't doing so hot when Kyle left and were in obvious signs of a down year.

I'm just saying that we will never know who made what decision, and while Garth could have REACTED differently to U Minn's comments, U Minn could have acted with some class to begin with.

Frankly, I'm tired of U Minn's fans biatching on the internet, yet act like their coach is beyond reproach on this topic.

It is what it is.... Loyalty can be blind, I'll give you that. B)

And since you brought up Neil Smith, can you get me a lesson on just what the F happened with his short stint as the GM?

I never fully understood what happen with all that going on that that time.


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Long story... to break it down simply (and I'm sure others on this board who are more in the know than I am will correctly add to the story)...

Neil Smith did not care for the "committee" aspect that Wang had in mind and decided after about 45 days on the job that he did not want to have to work with the committee, but that he wanted to be in more of a "traditional" GM role. Whether Wang fired him or Smith chose to leave :dontknow: , but according to Wang he claims Smith knew ahead of time what the "management structure" was and that Neil decided he couldn't work within it.

I'm sure there is more to it than that, but that is how I understand it.
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