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It May Be Time...; for a trade
Topic Started: Dec 8 2008, 10:20 PM (1,655 Views)
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I'm not one to press the panic button, especially when the expectations were so low this year. But it may be time to bring in a veteran forward or two (under age 30, ideally). I am all for trading some draft picks (Anything but this years #1)and some of our utility players or guys that need a change of scenery.

Garth stocked the cupboard in the 2008 entry draft and we have solid hockey players doing really well in bridgeport right now in Smith, Iggulden, Joensuu. Not to mention the possibility of Petrov in the next year or two.

I'm sorry but waiving guys like Hilbert and Sim to make room for better players that can be aquired in a trade is NOT a bad idea. And that's without robbing a spot from a returning Okposo, Nielsen.

And I don't buy the argument that we "don't have to parts to make a trade to get a good player". The Isles may not be chock full of talent, but first & second round draft picks in the 2010 will make ANY GM turn their heads our way.

But this is where Garth gets a chance to do his job.

To me, there are no untouchables aside from Okposo and Bailey. We are rebuilding? Let's rebuild.

In no way am I saying fire sale, but to add one guy that can hit the twine can make a big difference.
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If it wasn't time earlier in the season during the Isles losing streak, it isn't now. Give it until 2009.
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Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992,Dec 8 2008
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If it wasn't time earlier in the season during the Isles losing streak, it isn't now. Give it until 2009.

Problem with that is Garth has choked in FA two years in a row (As far as I'm concerned). Aside from the Streit signing, and maybe Weight(too bad hes 100), He STILL hasn't brought in that scoring winger that the Isles have needed---for YEARS.

He probably thought Guerin was that scoring winger. And he is, but we need more than one guy who can finish.

Wait a second, you really want that #1 overall this year. Don't you? :yea:

And somebody tell me, WTF is with Comrie? Can this guy walk anymore?
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I wouldn't mind that number one pick, but I don't want the Isles to tank to force it. I'd rather see the Isles win, and win.

I disagree that Garth choked on FA this past season. Streit and Weight have done excellently, and have lived up to their signing.

Ultimately, fans knew that this season was going to suck, so jumping ship on the plan is pointless, and since no one is knocking down the Coliseum door to trade for Sim, and Hilbert, the Isles are kind of stuck. We could waive them, but then we run the risk of bringing up Bridgeport players who may not be ready. Some guys like Colliton looked good, but didn't have a blazing impact yet.
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What do you guys think of Radim Vrbata? TB wants to get rid of him. 3 mill a year for 3 years under contract. I like him.

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What do you guys think of Radim Vrbata? TB wants to get rid of him. 3 mill a year for 3 years under contract. I like him.

too bad he's shipping off to europe :crying2:
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Snowday,Dec 8 2008
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What do you guys think of Radim Vrbata? TB wants to get rid of him. 3 mill a year for 3 years under contract. I like him.

too bad he's shipping off to europe :crying2:

Yea he's probably already there.

Also, I don't consider trading draft picks and another player to get a sniper jumping ship on the rebuild.
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10:37 PM
Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992,Dec 8 2008
11:26 PM
If it wasn't time earlier in the season during the Isles losing streak, it isn't now. Give it until 2009.

Problem with that is Garth has choked in FA two years in a row (As far as I'm concerned). Aside from the Streit signing, and maybe Weight(too bad hes 100), He STILL hasn't brought in that scoring winger that the Isles have needed---for YEARS.

He probably thought Guerin was that scoring winger. And he is, but we need more than one guy who can finish.

Wait a second, you really want that #1 overall this year. Don't you? :yea:

And somebody tell me, WTF is with Comrie? Can this guy walk anymore?

Garth has signed both Streit, Weight, Guerin and MacDonald...all 4 of whom have been at worst decent signings at best better than expected signings.

The problem is we aren't going to get a top forward to come here in FA. Not until we have kids for them to play with (and not in a Michael Jackson sort of way).

I would argue just the opposite. At the deadline, it wouldn't be a bad idea to look at moving Witt. I love Witt as a player...tremendous heart, but there will be a market for him at the trade deadline for a team looking to add D for a playoff run. I think Pitt would JUMP at the chance to sign him. And frankly, I'm not sure Witt has a ton left in the tank as it is. We've already seen Pitt overpay for rentals, let's see if they overpay for a crease clearer that will be on their books for another 2 years at a good price.

I can see Pitt or the Caps or even Habs giving up something nice to shore up their bluelines come playoff time.

Otherwise, I don't know that we have alot to move that teams are going to want.
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Islander4cups,Dec 9 2008
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Dark Helmet,Dec 8 2008
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Craving_the_Cup_Since_1992,Dec 8 2008
11:26 PM
If it wasn't time earlier in the season during the Isles losing streak, it isn't now. Give it until 2009.

Problem with that is Garth has choked in FA two years in a row (As far as I'm concerned). Aside from the Streit signing, and maybe Weight(too bad hes 100), He STILL hasn't brought in that scoring winger that the Isles have needed---for YEARS.

He probably thought Guerin was that scoring winger. And he is, but we need more than one guy who can finish.

Wait a second, you really want that #1 overall this year. Don't you? :yea:

And somebody tell me, WTF is with Comrie? Can this guy walk anymore?

Garth has signed both Streit, Weight, Guerin and MacDonald...all 4 of whom have been at worst decent signings at best better than expected signings.

The problem is we aren't going to get a top forward to come here in FA. Not until we have kids for them to play with (and not in a Michael Jackson sort of way).

I would argue just the opposite. At the deadline, it wouldn't be a bad idea to look at moving Witt. I love Witt as a player...tremendous heart, but there will be a market for him at the trade deadline for a team looking to add D for a playoff run. I think Pitt would JUMP at the chance to sign him. And frankly, I'm not sure Witt has a ton left in the tank as it is. We've already seen Pitt overpay for rentals, let's see if they overpay for a crease clearer that will be on their books for another 2 years at a good price.

I can see Pitt or the Caps or even Habs giving up something nice to shore up their bluelines come playoff time.

Otherwise, I don't know that we have alot to move that teams are going to want.

Witt would be a perfect fit in Pittsburg. What would the return be?

I heard that guy in Dallas comes dirt cheap these days! :rofl:
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Guys and Gals come on. Not saying rankings are everything or even partial but we were thought to be one of the worst teams in the league. We were LAST year and went through some more turbulance.

That was agreed even right here. We lost our best player for a long time (DP). We have lost two of our top young forwards for a long time (Franz and KO). Our top four d-man have all missed double-digit games (Witt, Sutton, Martinek and Meyer). We have had our fair share of injuries. We play in a kick- a$$ division.

I agree with I4C those guys were good adds. Weight is your veteran guy and it isn't a multi year deal (Those you can do all the time even rebuilding). Streit is young and very helpful. Also let's not forget that he locked up HUNTER for a pretty good deal, for a possible future captain.

The only move that was terrible and was stated THEN was Comrie. He took a one year deal to and I quote "I want to prove I am a first line center." I give him credit for that, but he didn't prove that, he didn't prove he was a second line center but we rewarded him.

The few guys we let go too are nothing wild. Most of thought Miro could go score 30 goals playing on that team. Dubie isn't in the NHL, Tank is eh, Josef isn't in the NHL. the guys we let go at the end like Simon and such eh. The only guy playing well is MAB, but he had plenty of chances here.

Trading ANY draft picks for ANY veterans would be a terrible move, unless you are talking 29 year old veteran and such and things aren't happing.

ALSO I will say this every time. Garth and the other guys know who are good players, they OFFER contracts, they can't force players to take them. We have a MINIMAL, MINIMAL draw here. From stadium, stability, Rangers, last playoff series win 14 years ago, No other star players.

I will say that we have a few forwards that are young and have some talent. Just to give my little piece of negative thoughts is on Bailey. NOT that I don't like him I do, I just can't believe some things I read about him and how fantastic he is and such. He doesn't have a goal and has five points. I have seen some real positive things don't get me wrong.

On the FLIP side... in two games Blake Comeau has had two partial break-aways, a post, three shots from five feet in, a few big hits. NOW I can see how he could drive a coach a little wild (Over-handling of the puck, etc.) I think that if he played Baseball he would be a DH, but he has more scoring touch and chance ability than Bailey or Okposo right now.
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I'm not one to press the panic button, especially when the expectations were so low this year. But it may be time to bring in a veteran forward or two (under age 30, ideally). I am all for trading some draft picks (Anything but this years #1)and some of our utility players or guys that need a change of scenery.

Garth stocked the cupboard in the 2008 entry draft and we have solid hockey players doing really well in bridgeport right now in Smith, Iggulden, Joensuu. Not to mention the possibility of Petrov in the next year or two.

I'm sorry but waiving guys like Hilbert and Sim to make room for better players that can be aquired in a trade is NOT a bad idea. And that's without robbing a spot from a returning Okposo, Nielsen.

And I don't buy the argument that we "don't have to parts to make a trade to get a good player". The Isles may not be chock full of talent, but first & second round draft picks in the 2010 will make ANY GM turn their heads our way.

But this is where Garth gets a chance to do his job.

To me, there are no untouchables aside from Okposo and Bailey. We are rebuilding? Let's rebuild.

In no way am I saying fire sale, but to add one guy that can hit the twine can make a big difference.
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I'd love to hear some interesting trade proposals. Just use your imagination while being realistic, and don't completely forget about the salary cap. Dream away Islanders fans. We have to... :isles:

Nope......we don't have the parts to make a significant trade. One trade isn't gonna change this hockey team. And no, you don't deal the 1st and 2nd rounders.

Its gonna take time to rebuild. If you thought we were gonna be a cup contending team again without pain, think again. Patience is required. Stay with the rebuilding program.

At the deadline, maybe a few of our veteran guys could be unloaded.....Weight, Sillinger to name a couple......but don't expect top picks for them in return. Mid rounders are more like it.
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Dark Helmet,Dec 8 2008
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I'm not one to press the panic button, especially when the expectations were so low this year. But it may be time to bring in a veteran forward or two (under age 30, ideally). I am all for trading some draft picks (Anything but this years #1)and some of our utility players or guys that need a change of scenery.

Garth stocked the cupboard in the 2008 entry draft and we have solid hockey players doing really well in bridgeport right now in Smith, Iggulden, Joensuu. Not to mention the possibility of Petrov in the next year or two.

I'm sorry but waiving guys like Hilbert and Sim to make room for better players that can be aquired in a trade is NOT a bad idea. And that's without robbing a spot from a returning Okposo, Nielsen.

And I don't buy the argument that we "don't have to parts to make a trade to get a good player". The Isles may not be chock full of talent, but first & second round draft picks in the 2010 will make ANY GM turn their heads our way.

But this is where Garth gets a chance to do his job.

To me, there are no untouchables aside from Okposo and Bailey. We are rebuilding? Let's rebuild.

In no way am I saying fire sale, but to add one guy that can hit the twine can make a big difference.
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I'd love to hear some interesting trade proposals. Just use your imagination while being realistic, and don't completely forget about the salary cap. Dream away Islanders fans. We have to... :isles:

Nope......we don't have the parts to make a significant trade. One trade isn't gonna change this hockey team. And no, you don't deal the 1st and 2nd rounders.

Its gonna take time to rebuild. If you thought we were gonna be a cup contending team again without pain, think again. Patience is required. Stay with the rebuilding program.

At the deadline, maybe a few of our veteran guys could be unloaded.....Weight, Sillinger to name a couple......but don't expect top picks for them in return. Mid rounders are more like it.

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Guerin and Weight were only worth signing if we get something for them at the trade deadline. They're here to give the hard core season ticket holders a bone to chew on. They're here to wind up their careers, collect a paycheck. Hopefully, because they have had great careers, Snow can place them with a playoff team at the trade deadline and the Isles can land some draft picks.
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I disagree that Garth choked on FA this past season. Streit and Weight have done excellently, and have lived up to their signing.


Thank you. I was going to say the same thing. Weight and Streit have done far better than expected.

But yes... almost no one is untouchable.

And if I have to hear Sim "shoots wide" one more time, I'll scream. That should be my new drinking game.
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Yes, we need to remember the "Rebuild Project".

The early winning was nice, but this time (the losing) was coming and we all knew it. Personally I'd like to see the D improve. I don't see them helping Joey out as of late.
Joey has improved since early in the season. I think he's seeing the puck better. He is catching the puck better. But he's playing practically every game now. He needs a break to watch.

Now to stir it up. Marian Gaborik.

If it wasn't for that damn everlasting "lower body injury", this guy could fit in so well. Speed for the "over speed" system. GOAL scoring, which we so desperately need. And young enough to fit in with this team for years to come. And I believe he wants to play on the east coast.


BUT THAT DAMN GROIN CAN'T HOLD UP. :angrier:

I think I'll just I ride out the season in hopes that this will improve.


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I disagree that Garth choked on FA this past season. Streit and Weight have done excellently, and have lived up to their signing.


Thank you. I was going to say the same thing. Weight and Streit have done far better than expected.

But yes... almost no one is untouchable.

And if I have to hear Sim "shoots wide" one more time, I'll scream. That should be my new drinking game.

You'd either be puking drunk or wishing he would miss the net again when he is totally invisible.
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If we have such quality talent in Bridgeport why trade them? Why not move them into the lineup up here and let the young team become a team together?

Let's face it. Witt, Sillinger, Sim, Comrie and Martinek are not going to be part of the future core Islanders, Weight and Guerin will last longer but are not going to be part of it either. Witt, Martinek and Weight may have some worth come trade deadline, but for the most part we are going to have to wait out their contract before they are replaced with younger talent.

This team is not going to go out and get someone unless they have to because they must reach league minimums in payroll. It's rebuilding and it takes time.

Patience....
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I can see only one way to rebuild this franchise properly under the current circumstances and it's been said before....we need to lose, we need to be bad before we get good, we need the 1st or 2nd pick in this summers draft.....period. Snow just needs to ride the wave of failure into this summer's draft. Make the right deals at the deadline by moving projects that have failed (Tambs and Gervais) and rid of the guys that we don't plan of having back next season (Sillinger, Comrie and so on). Get this lighthouse project going and market this team around Tavares (one can dream).
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Isles wont do anything major until the deadline, and we wont be winning anything next year either
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Isles wont do anything major until the deadline, and we wont be winning anything next year either

And at the deadline, its likely we won't do anything major much like last year. We simply don't have the components to make a major deal unless it involves the #1 pick, KO, JB or any of our younger players.

No thanks to that.
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