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It May Be Time...; for a trade
Topic Started: Dec 8 2008, 10:20 PM (1,659 Views)
stevedepot
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While a trade is sometimes needed when times get rough,
we knew this would be a tough year.

Amazingly, despite all te injuries they've been, dare I say, entertaining at times?
If this is truly a rebuild year, then give the icetime to kids looking for experience
and a taste of NHL life so going forward, this org can determine who has the will
to work harder to earn a spot down the road.

I also agree with ph, no need to trade, be patient, demote those who show nothing
and ride it out. Worst case scenario we land a great pick.
Whether Garth Snow and his stubborn ego admits it or not, that along with the experience gained and opportunity for spots going into next year is reason to be alot more excited.

Besides, he can always trade vets at deadline if good deals arise.
With the cap reportedley staying the same or even going down for next year,
we're in a good spot (if we truly stay the course).

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IslandersfanfromManchesterN.J.
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We better get that # 1 pick, and screw the lottery. Tampa Bay has Lecavalier and Atlanta has Kovalchuk, two superstars, and we have squat.
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This is a rediculous thread. Patience people. 1/4 way into year one of rebuilding with youth and you want to trade valuable draft picks for more mediocre veterans.

Holy cr@p man!!! This is exactly what we have done for years. Take a big gulp people. This will be hard and ugly for a couple of years but if we do this right all of the pain will be worth it.

Trading prospects and or picks will get us nowhere in a hurry and continue the cycle of the last 20 years. Now is time to take our medicine for a couple of years and build the team in a lasting way. I am sick of losing or being mediocre some of the time.

I want a good team that will stay good for a long time. The only way we can do this is to continue to build the system with youth. Those picks are too important right now to trade for so so veterans just to sleightly improve the team right now.

If we stay the course and build a proper strong and young foundation I think we will find out that the aging Colliseum has nothing to do with FAs not wanting to play here. The instability of the team is what scares FAs away, not the building.
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I think we will find out that the aging Colliseum has nothing to do with FAs not wanting to play here. The instability of the team is what scares FAs away, not the building





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THEY ACTUALLY THINK ITS THE BUILDING :yes:

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We need to be as bad as we can be.

We need early draft picks.

No trades to improve this team will improve this team in the long run.
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If the Islanders were to make ANY trades, it should be to unload veterans and aquire youth via draft picks or rookies. But unfortunately I do not think they have much to offer at this point in the season. My hope is at the deadline they stock up on draft picks, provided of course that they don't trade off Park or Witt, and let the kids finish out the year.

Look, the Islanders are not going to challenge for a cup this year. It's reality. We will lose a lot of games. Trading now won't help anything.

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I would actually criticize the team for not playing MORE of the young prospects in Bridgeport. Why not give ice time to Smith, Iggulden and Jonseuu?

The Islanders actually have the upperhand here. They can trade away the Comries and Sillingers (although I like him) and create room for solid prospects from B'Port. They can also rid themselves of players like Tambellini and Gervais if things dont work out, too. But giving time to the Sims of the world is a waste of a roster spot.
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I would not object to signing Weight and Guerin for another 2. Guerin has proven to be a great captain, one who at least sticks up for his team. The addition of Weight has been more than welcomed, especially on the PP. I also hope to keep Sillinger at least 1 more year if he is up for it. I am hoping that the Isles get Comrie in the lineup and that he returns to form so we can trade his ass at the deadline. I think if Hilbert continues to do as well as he has he is worth keeping. Sim we have for another year so I would hold onto him until then, no reason to just dump him for a 5th round pick at best.
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tsharaf,Dec 9 2008
06:51 PM
I would actually criticize the team for not playing MORE of the young prospects in Bridgeport. Why not give ice time to Smith, Iggulden and Jonseuu?

The Islanders actually have the upperhand here. They can trade away the Comries and Sillingers (although I like him) and create room for solid prospects from B'Port. They can also rid themselves of players like Tambellini and Gervais if things dont work out, too. But giving time to the Sims of the world is a waste of a roster spot.

I would love to see Terrible Gervais ousted....geez that guy is like watching a train wreck. Ive never seen a player stand in between the hash marks and watch the opposing team move right in...ugh

at the deadline package Comrie and Gervais for a player and pick. That would be more than welcomed
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Kasperitix,Dec 9 2008
08:57 PM
tsharaf,Dec 9 2008
06:51 PM
I would actually criticize the team for not playing MORE of the young prospects in Bridgeport. Why not give ice time to Smith, Iggulden and Jonseuu?

The Islanders actually have the upperhand here. They can trade away the Comries and Sillingers (although I like him) and create room for solid prospects from B'Port. They can also rid themselves of players like Tambellini and Gervais if things dont work out, too. But giving time to the Sims of the world is a waste of a roster spot.

I would love to see Terrible Gervais ousted....geez that guy is like watching a train wreck. Ive never seen a player stand in between the hash marks and watch the opposing team move right in...ugh

at the deadline package Comrie and Gervais for a player and pick. That would be more than welcomed

I have always said Gervais is bad. I've never grasped why people have defended him for the last three years. I wouldn't go as far as to say get rid of him because he's a good guy to throw into the lineup in a pinch, but he's not a top 6 defenseman in this league. Just because he was drafted by the club doesn't mean he's good. People need to get over Gervais.
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Snowman39,Dec 9 2008
10:34 PM
Kasperitix,Dec 9 2008
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tsharaf,Dec 9 2008
06:51 PM
I would actually criticize the team for not playing MORE of the young prospects in Bridgeport. Why not give ice time to Smith, Iggulden and Jonseuu?

The Islanders actually have the upperhand here. They can trade away the Comries and Sillingers (although I like him) and create room for solid prospects from B'Port. They can also rid themselves of players like Tambellini and Gervais if things dont work out, too. But giving time to the Sims of the world is a waste of a roster spot.

I would love to see Terrible Gervais ousted....geez that guy is like watching a train wreck. Ive never seen a player stand in between the hash marks and watch the opposing team move right in...ugh

at the deadline package Comrie and Gervais for a player and pick. That would be more than welcomed

I have always said Gervais is bad. I've never grasped why people have defended him for the last three years. I wouldn't go as far as to say get rid of him because he's a good guy to throw into the lineup in a pinch, but he's not a top 6 defenseman in this league. Just because he was drafted by the club doesn't mean he's good. People need to get over Gervais.

Which one is Gervais :goofy2:
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Kasperitix,Dec 9 2008
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I would not object to signing Weight and Guerin for another 2. Guerin has proven to be a great captain, one who at least sticks up for his team. The addition of Weight has been more than welcomed, especially on the PP. I also hope to keep Sillinger at least 1 more year if he is up for it. I am hoping that the Isles get Comrie in the lineup and that he returns to form so we can trade his ass at the deadline. I think if Hilbert continues to do as well as he has he is worth keeping. Sim we have for another year so I would hold onto him until then, no reason to just dump him for a 5th round pick at best.

I would ask both Weight and Guerin if they would mind being dealt at the deadline for prospects or picks and then resign them at a small raise at the end of the year. They are both the type of players you want the young players exposed to. I'm not sure when Guerin's contract expires though.

I would definetly dump Comrie as well as Sutton. Sutton makes Eric Cairns seem fleet footed. I have never seen a defenseman with such a reach advantage get beat so often.
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tsharaf,Dec 9 2008
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I would actually criticize the team for not playing MORE of the young prospects in Bridgeport. Why not give ice time to Smith, Iggulden and Jonseuu?

The Islanders actually have the upperhand here. They can trade away the Comries and Sillingers (although I like him) and create room for solid prospects from B'Port. They can also rid themselves of players like Tambellini and Gervais if things dont work out, too. But giving time to the Sims of the world is a waste of a roster spot.

because they aren't ready. This is Jesse's first year playing on a north american sized rink. Let the kid adjust.

We can't field a team of all kids. We do need some vets to show the way and when we are out of it by the trade deadline, we can deal Weight, Witt and others...get a few picks and then bring up kids for the final 25 games of the season.

That is enough time for Tamby to show he really doesn't belong once and for all.
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Mulefan,Dec 9 2008
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Kasperitix,Dec 9 2008
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I would not object to signing Weight and Guerin for another 2.  Guerin has proven to be a great captain, one who at least sticks up for his team.  The addition of Weight has been more than welcomed, especially on the PP. I also hope to keep Sillinger at least 1 more year if he is up for it.  I am hoping that the Isles get Comrie in the lineup and that he returns to form so we can trade his ass at the deadline.  I think if Hilbert continues to do as well as he has he is worth keeping.  Sim we have for another year so I would hold onto him until then, no reason to just dump him for a 5th round pick at best.

I would ask both Weight and Guerin if they would mind being dealt at the deadline for prospects or picks and then resign them at a small raise at the end of the year. They are both the type of players you want the young players exposed to. I'm not sure when Guerin's contract expires though.

I would definetly dump Comrie as well as Sutton. Sutton makes Eric Cairns seem fleet footed. I have never seen a defenseman with such a reach advantage get beat so often.

That is illegal. It is called TAMPERING. You cannot deal a player and have a "wink wink" agreement that he will return as a FA since he would be under contract to the team you just traded him to while you made the "wink wink" agreement. While tough to prove, you know the league would go out of their way to try to prove it if we were involved.
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Snowman39,Dec 9 2008
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Kasperitix,Dec 9 2008
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tsharaf,Dec 9 2008
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I would actually criticize the team for not playing MORE of the young prospects in Bridgeport. Why not give ice time to Smith, Iggulden and Jonseuu?

The Islanders actually have the upperhand here. They can trade away the Comries and Sillingers (although I like him) and create room for solid prospects from B'Port. They can also rid themselves of players like Tambellini and Gervais if things dont work out, too. But giving time to the Sims of the world is a waste of a roster spot.

I would love to see Terrible Gervais ousted....geez that guy is like watching a train wreck. Ive never seen a player stand in between the hash marks and watch the opposing team move right in...ugh

at the deadline package Comrie and Gervais for a player and pick. That would be more than welcomed

I have always said Gervais is bad. I've never grasped why people have defended him for the last three years. I wouldn't go as far as to say get rid of him because he's a good guy to throw into the lineup in a pinch, but he's not a top 6 defenseman in this league. Just because he was drafted by the club doesn't mean he's good. People need to get over Gervais.

agreed. I wasn't sold on Gervais early on, but I thought I saw some progress in the Buffalo series so I was hoping he was improving. Then the second half of last year and this one he's just been brutal.

Constantly leaves his feet to block passes in front leaving his man uncovered in the slot for rebounds.

Pinches in way too often and much of the time when no forward is in a position to cover...causing 2 v 1's.

Never gets a piece of the body OR the puck when he pinches either

Gets thrown around like Raggedy Andy in the corners

He's regressed in his 3 seasons, especially this one.
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One more vote for staying the course and trading marketable, replaceable vets (preferably not the guys providing leadership, I mean guys like >cough< Mike Comrie) at the deadline.

The thought of improving this already surprisingly competitive team to gain a few pointless points in the standing makes me ill. Time to make a trade? If we're not well into bottom five at the deadline, I make some moves to get this team there.
(Mine admitedly may be an extreme POV, but there ya go.)

The real test of this rebuild project will be year three, when more folks are going to be tempted to call it a day and speed up the rebuild. That's how we lost Big Z, got Yashin, and a frustrating decade of mediocre teams. This'll take 4-5 seasons, no use getting itchy to improve the team with veterans in Year One.
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We have to stick our guns about the trading....

There has to be a few guys that they are trading ALMOST no -matter what. Meaning if we trade a Mike Sillinger (Who I like) and all we can get is a 3rd round pick than we must do it. I am not talking about taking the FIRST offer or any thing, and I would love if they can wait right up until the deadline but don't be too greedy.

Also the few veterans that are decent will have to be moved, those are what teams want. For example if I was a San Jose, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Boston... I would look on the Islanders and want Witt first and than Guerin, Weight and Sillinger. Also I hate to say it but Witt is not the same player, would he be a great 5th d-man on a team like Boston? F yes. How about Sillinger to be a guy for face-offs and leadership.

Let's not sneeze at third round picks. More guys like that, more chances to find gold, PLUS in those rounds you can take High Risk, High Reward guys since we have depth, we will have more players in our line-ups in both Bridgeport and the Island making less, which means we can throw more money to the BIG players.

Witt, Sillilnger, Guerin, Weight, Comrie... AT least three of those guys have to be traded. Remember also ONLY ONE of these guys have a contract past this season. Trading guys with years and years left are very hard, but these guys would all be lost.

Last year who did we want to trade? Tank, Josef, Satan.... we got nothing, and none came back. Even though it wouldn't be HUGE, another third rounder and two fourths in the draft couldn't have hurt.
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I wouldn't mind keeping around Doug and Billy. As long as they are productive, they are useful in both a leadership and effectiveness perspective. Comrie, Sillinger, and Sim are the vets I would dangle to contending teams at the deadline, none of the defensemen unless someone were to offer something incredible.
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I wouldn't mind keeping around Doug and Billy. As long as they are productive, they are useful in both a leadership and effectiveness perspective. Comrie, Sillinger, and Sim are the vets I would dangle to contending teams at the deadline, none of the defensemen unless someone were to offer something incredible.

Yeah you don't want to offer any of our d-men........since we have one of the worst goals against in the league. Surely we can't part with one of them in a trade.
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